The Ashes. Fifth Test Australia v England @ Blundstone Arena, Hobart, 14-18 January 2022

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It’s an interesting one, do we look at Day/nighters being 4 day matches? Does anyone know if any have gone 5 days? I love cricket when Batters have to fight for runs but playing 5 day tests in these conditions completely takes the draw out of the equation, at least in a 4 day game we’d probably want to be bowling tomorrow whereas now there’s absolutely no time pressure.

This is a brilliant pitch for a day test that offers a bit for the bowler but a bit for the batter when they get in, I’d love all day pitches to be like that. But for a day nighter it’s probably a bit over the top, probably need to roll out roads for 5 day day nighters as the night session is still gonna have a lot for the bowler so at least give something for the batter during the day.

This test between two evenly placed sides and the winner of the toss wins, if we bowled first England would have been all out for 120 tops and then would have had to bat again tonight and would probably be 5 down, us batting first has evened the test match up a huge amount and we’re still wayyyy in front

Of the 9 completed pink ball tests in this country 3 have gone into day 5, 3 have been done inside 3 days and the remaining 3 were decided during day 4.
 

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He toughed it out when no one from either team could.

These conditions are so terrible a bloke made a century a week after having Covid…
I’m not sure having zero symptoms from Covid means anything, these conditions are obviously much much tougher than we faced at the G and if you don’t admit that you can’t be being serious.

Harris knock at the G was great but conditions aren’t even comparable. You said no one else could make runs but we only batted once so that’s not really fair..
 

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Of the 9 completed pink ball tests in this country 3 have gone into day, 3 have been done inside 3 days and the remaining 3 were decided during day 4.
Thanks, still think 4 days might be the go if we roll out pitches like this, make teams have a few things to think about
 

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Love your optimism but I think we are a fair way off. Bowling stocks are fine. Greeny looks great.
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We need not only to find two openers but blood them. Smith will rapidly decline due to his age and and reliance on eye and not technique. Keeper is still an issue. Hope Im wrong but I think it will take a fair bit of time.
I think people are harsh on Warner, he’s not the player he once was and the decline is evident but I think he’s still more than capable of being a test standard opener for a couple of years, so long as we can find him a good partner.

Marny is a gun, no he won’t average 60 for his whole career but absolutely no dramas with 3 for the foreseeable future, it would help if he was a little more protected from the openers. People always say this about Smith but let’s give him some benefit of the doubt, it’s nothing more than an assumption at this stage to say he’s going to decline quickly, in reality he’s in his prime as a batsmen right now.

5 & 6 are set for the long term with Green & Head, I think Green will make an all time great #5 in a couple of years. He has the temperament for it. And as you’ve said our bowling stocks are no issue, they’re already world class and should remain that way for some time yet.

We absolutely need to sort out our other opener, Puc is the man if he can stay fit. And keeper too is an issue but not a debilitating one. Also can’t underestimate how big an advantage it is having the longest tail in world cricket.

We’re not perfect but I don’t think we’re all that far away from being the best team in world cricket right now.
 

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How do we fit Tassie in the schedule? They absolutely deserve more test cricket than they’ve seen recently. At least every second summer. I think a longer, more spread out 6 test summer is key. Either 3 & 3 vs two teams (we should never play a 2 test series it’s dumb) or 6 vs the big teams, let’s be honest at least 1 or 2 tests will be rained out or end with no result. Tests run from Nov - end of Jan, Shield cricket should run up until the new year, with a shorter big bash played every night in January. 5 ODI series in Feb.

Test cricket is still king in this country and it’s not just for the die hares, the general cricket population & kids still love it from my experience. We need to be enhancing it not taking away from it.
 

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How do we fit Tassie in the schedule? They absolutely deserve more test cricket than they’ve seen recently. At least every second summer. I think a longer, more spread out 6 test summer is key. Tests run from Nov - end of Jan, Shield cricket should run up until the new year, with a shorter big bash played every night in January. 5 ODI series in Feb.

Test cricket is still king in this country and it’s not just for the die hares, the general cricket population & kids still love it from my experience. We need to be enhancing it not taking away from it.

November when we were meant to play the Afghans this spring.
 

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I think people are harsh on Warner, he’s not the player he once was and the decline is evident but I think he’s still more than capable of being a test standard opener for a couple of years, so long as we can find him a good partner.

Marny is a gun, no he won’t average 60 for his whole career but absolutely no dramas with 3 for the foreseeable future, it would help if he was a little more protected from the openers. People always say this about Smith but let’s give him some benefit of the doubt, it’s nothing more than an assumption at this stage to say he’s going to decline quickly, in reality he’s in his prime as a batsmen right now.

5 & 6 are set for the long term with Green & Head, I think Green will make an all time great #5 in a couple of years. He has the temperament for it. And as you’ve said our bowling stocks are no issue, they’re already world class and should remain that way for some time yet.

We absolutely need to sort out our other opener, Puc is the man if he can stay fit. And keeper too is an issue but not a debilitating one. Also can’t underestimate how big an advantage it is having the longest tail in world cricket.

We’re not perfect but I don’t think we’re all that far away from being the best team in world cricket right now.
Hope you are right. But I think the keeping is an issue. Im not a reactionist. Happy to give carey a go. But his keeping and timing seems to have some fundamental flaws which is not great for a 30 year old keeper. Its such an important role and is in essence a kind of a quasi captain of sorts in sorting slips fielders placements. Plus the need for some consistent runs.
 

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This is the best bunch of wickets we’ve rolled out in a long time, I hope it’s here to stay as it’ll only help our ability to perform overseas. Why roll out roads that we only see in Aus? What’s the point. It’s not like that even favours the aussies as everyone can bat on a road.

For the shield watchers, have the pitches been similar?

These should be the benchmark - this would be an absolutely cracking series against a half decent side right now. England have been pathetic
 

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To all the knockers of Marcus Harris and Lucas Parker you are the top of the list on this forum you should really have a good serious re think.Right now he should be playing for Australia and Khawaji and Warners failures he is now heading to Pakistan and hopefully will do well.
Oh I’m all for Khawaja playing. 100%. He deserves to be playing for Australia. But his best cricket isn’t opening. A stopgap. It’s unfair personally on him.
Im sure Langer will be looking at suitable openers at state level and perhaps play Khawaja 3rd or 4th. Be all for Pucovski to come back and build his career
 

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How do we fit Tassie in the schedule? They absolutely deserve more test cricket than they’ve seen recently. At least every second summer. I think a longer, more spread out 6 test summer is key. Either 3 & 3 vs two teams (we should never play a 2 test series it’s dumb) or 6 vs the big teams, let’s be honest at least 1 or 2 tests will be rained out or end with no result. Tests run from Nov - end of Jan, Shield cricket should run up until the new year, with a shorter big bash played every night in January. 5 ODI series in Feb.

Test cricket is still king in this country and it’s not just for the die hares, the general cricket population & kids still love it from my experience. We need to be enhancing it not taking away from it.
We can easily do a 3x3, 4x2 or a 5x1. We did so in 2015-16 with 3x2 tests vs NZ and West Indies with Hobart getting the extra test and 2018-19 with 4 tests against India and 2 against SL with Canberra getting the 6th one. Before or after an Ashes series, we could have a one-off against Ireland or Afghanistan, and an Indian series could be succeeded be 2 against someone like Bangladesh. There's even the opportunity to have the occasional winter series with Darwin and Cairns hosting tests.
 

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Hope you are right. But I think the keeping is an issue. Im not a reactionist. Happy to give carey a go. But his keeping and timing seems to have some fundamental flaws which is not great for a 30 year old keeper. Its such an important role and is in essence a kind of a quasi captain of sorts in sorting slips fielders placements. Plus the need for some consistent runs.
I agree, if I had my way I’d replace Carey for the Pakistan tour I just don’t think he has it and like you said he’s 30 years old with not enough upside. It’s a bit harsh seeing as we’ve given him the gig we sort of need to give him time now but I’d rather just get the games into someone else personally.

But I just don’t think it’s an issue that’s going to really hold us back when we have the middle order we’re now putting together, plus the batting support we get from our tail around him.

Not in seaming conditions anyway when his job behind the stumps is relatively easy. Sub continent is a different story altogether and I’ll admit he could cause us issues there - I guess time will tell
 

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