The Ashes, Third Test Australia v England @ The MCG 26-30 December

Who will win?


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Mego Red

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Its the population combined with them having their sh*t together at lower levels these days that makes it hard to see anybody catching them, they have the money they have the participation rates that nobody can match and now they have quality systems to feed players into the test side.
They would have 50 junior players for every 1 we have.

They have all the money in the sport. Frankly, they're the New York Yankees now. There's no justifiable reason for them to not be leagues above every other test playing nation.
 

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They would have 50 junior players for every 1 we have.

They have all the money in the sport. Frankly, they're the New York Yankees now. There's no justifiable reason for them to not be leagues above every other test playing nation.


I think that there is much more evidence in the other direction than there is to support ‘bigger is more successful.’

The greatest international team in sport historically speaking are the all blacks.

The greatest cricket team historically. Speaking is Australia overall, and the greatest dynasty was the West Indies.

Brazil is a massive country who excels in soccer but there are many other massive countries who love it but haven’t had success - look at Mexico as an obvious one.

The most successful winter Olympic nation is Norway.
Yes it’s cold but so is Russia, USA, Japan, tonnes of other European countries.
 

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They would have 50 junior players for every 1 we have.

They have all the money in the sport. Frankly, they're the New York Yankees now. There's no justifiable reason for them to not be leagues above every other test playing nation.
It is a case of should, if they run a perfect ship but it is rare for India to run a perfect ship. Just be grateful they are not the cricket minnow they used to be.
They should be able to maintain being one of the best four teams in world at any point beyond now. Some moments they will rise to be number one.
 

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Mego Red

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I think that there is much more evidence in the other direction than there is to support ‘bigger is more successful.’

The greatest international team in sport historically speaking are the all blacks.

The greatest cricket team historically. Speaking is Australia overall, and the greatest dynasty was the West Indies.

Brazil is a massive country who excels in soccer but there are many other massive countries who love it but haven’t had success - look at Mexico as an obvious one.

The most successful winter Olympic nation is Norway.
Yes it’s cold but so is Russia, USA, Japan, tonnes of other European countries.
Surely this just backs up my point.

The All Blacks are great because of participation - that is far and away the biggest sport in their country, and largely irrelevant elsewhere.

Similarly, Norway may be very good at Winter Olympic events, but those events are far more significant in their country than, say, the USA.

You can't compare soccer in Mexico to Brazil. The levels of participation just don't compare.

Cricket is number one in India, with no other sport even comparing for participation levels. Their domination should be the same as the USA in basketball, at a minimum.
 

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Surely this just backs up my point.

The All Blacks are great because of participation - that is far and away the biggest sport in their country, and largely irrelevant elsewhere.

Similarly, Norway may be very good at Winter Olympic events, but those events are far more significant in their country than, say, the USA.

You can't compare soccer in Mexico to Brazil. The levels of participation just don't compare.

Cricket is number one in India, with no other sport even comparing for participation levels. Their domination should be the same as the USA in basketball, at a minimum.


Who cares if it’s the biggest participation sport in that country? Everyone in Barbados plays cricket as a kid. Do you think they have more junior cricketers than say Bangladesh which has a lower percentage of kids playing cricket, but an aggregate of about 50 million more?
 

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Surely this just backs up my point.

The All Blacks are great because of participation - that is far and away the biggest sport in their country, and largely irrelevant elsewhere.

Similarly, Norway may be very good at Winter Olympic events, but those events are far more significant in their country than, say, the USA.

You can't compare soccer in Mexico to Brazil. The levels of participation just don't compare.

Cricket is number one in India, with no other sport even comparing for participation levels. Their domination should be the same as the USA in basketball, at a minimum.

So rugby is irrelevant in england, south Africa & France. Things you learn from an afl forum.
 

Mego Red

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So rugby is irrelevant in england, south Africa & France. Things you learn from an afl forum.
Yes. It's a minor sport - even allowing for COVID impacts, global participation in rugby union has fallen dramatically over the last decade.

It's a major sports in NZ and vastly less so elsewhere. It's the 9th most popular sport in Australia.
 

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Yes. It's a minor sport - even allowing for COVID impacts, global participation in rugby union has fallen dramatically over the last decade.

It's a major sports in NZ and vastly less so elsewhere. It's the 9th most popular sport in Australia.


They still have nearly 3 times the amount of registered players as new zealand
 

Pippen94

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Yes. It's a minor sport - even allowing for COVID impacts, global participation in rugby union has fallen dramatically over the last decade.

It's a major sports in NZ and vastly less so elsewhere. It's the 9th most popular sport in Australia.

Here you are in a topic about the ashes saying rugby is irrelevant outside of nz & I'd put my money that rugby is bigger than cricket in the UK.
The 2019 rugby WC final doubled the TV rating of the WC cricket final also in the same year (8.9 million to 4.1).
Thr number for the rugby final was actually the highest tv viewership there for any sport that year.
...but it's just a minor sport & not worth worrying about
 

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Boland playing in Sydney. Great news!


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Good for him, I do think we're missing a trick not playing Richardson though.

He's obviously the future and I'm not sure why he's gone further back in the queue despite a second innings 5-fer when he last played.

You get the sense one ordinary bowling performance from Boland and he's unlikely to return.
 

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Rev up those Sydney weather complaints lads.

Haven't seen a cloud in a week, perfect blue skies, 28-30c every day. But this morning the big dark clouds are rolling in...

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Rev up those Sydney weather complaints lads.

Haven't seen a cloud in a week, perfect blue skies, 28-30c every day. But this morning the big dark clouds are rolling in...

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The Sydney Test at New Year will become a victim of the changing climate imo, to get a decent game without weather issues will necessitate a move to before Christmas. You can imagine in the future Brisbane and Sydney being the first two ports of call for touring teams.
 

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Good for him, I do think we're missing a trick not playing Richardson though.

He's obviously the future and I'm not sure why he's gone further back in the queue despite a second innings 5-fer when he last played.

You get the sense one ordinary bowling performance from Boland and he's unlikely to return.

Unless there's more to the following than Cricket Australia is letting on - I remember hearing the following on the news but haven't seen it really mentioned elsewhere

Could also be total sh*t in terms of speculation and nothing in it


 

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Unless there's more to the following than Cricket Australia is letting on - I remember hearing the following on the news but haven't seen it really mentioned elsewhere

Could also be total sh*t in terms of speculation and nothing in it




He’s fine. This is a purely tactical move.
 

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The ever faithful ‘rugby union in’ wiki pages for both France and NZ. NZ has 130k plus change, France has about 380k.
Sorry I thought "they" referred to Australia not France.
 
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Rev up those Sydney weather complaints lads.

Haven't seen a cloud in a week, perfect blue skies, 28-30c every day. But this morning the big dark clouds are rolling in...

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Washed out Test days since 1877 to 2017:
Perth 0
Hobart 2
Adelaide 2
MCG 6 (not including 1971 washout => ODI)
Brisbane 8
Sydney 24
 

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The Sydney Test at New Year will become a victim of the changing climate imo, to get a decent game without weather issues will necessitate a move to before Christmas. You can imagine in the future Brisbane and Sydney being the first two ports of call for touring teams.

Couldn't find a nice summary of historical weather data for Sydney in Nov/Dec/Jan - but yeah if there is evidence that late Nov or early Dec is a safer bet they should consider moving it. Alot seems to be made of the "New Year" aspect but it means fu** all to most people here. It's starting on the 5th this year but most people are back at work on the 4th today (myself included) meaning it's only day 4 and 5 that alot of people can get to without taking leave.

I guess some people take the extra week off, and kids are on holidays still, but it's nothing like the Boxing Day test vibe where everyone is off and ready for some cricket.

I'd much prefer a Sydney test starting on a Thursday in late Nov or early Dec than early Jan if there is less chance of it being spoiled. I seriously reckon we may not see play the first 3 days. It won't be bucketing, but will be consistent and enough to keep the covers on.
 

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Washed out Test days since 1877 to 2017:
Perth 0
Hobart 2
Adelaide 2
MCG 6 (not including 1971 washout => ODI)
Brisbane 8
Sydney 24

The problem with Sydney is once the rain sets in, it rains for days. Conversely, we get weeks and weeks of perfect blue skies, especially in Winter.
 

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If Hameed opens the batting again, I'm going to do violent things to my television!