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I don't think it would be changing things to not ping Grundy for what was essentially falling in Brown's back. I don't think it's all that similar to Danger at all.
But it wasn't essentially falling in his back. Brown's head didn't crash into the turf because Grundy was in his back. His head crashed into the ground because he muscled him sideways to the ground. Call it twisting or whatever but that's why he got concussed.
 

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But it wasn't essentially falling in his back. Brown's head didn't crash into the turf because Grundy was in his back. His head crashed into the ground because he muscled him sideways to the ground. Call it twisting or whatever but that's why he got concussed.
Hm from the footage I saw it all looked one motion to me. Arms pinged yes, it was hardly the same as Danger who actively slung Kreuzer, particularly as Kreuzer had already been dispossessed, whilst Brown had the ball.
 

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Hm from the footage I saw it all looked one motion to me. Arms pinged yes, it was hardly the same as Danger who actively slung Kreuzer, particularly as Kreuzer had already been dispossessed, whilst Brown had the ball.
Yeah not the same as Danger's but it still wasn't the falling in the back that caused the concussion. He basically just pulled him to ground with the arms pinned.
 

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Hm from the footage I saw it all looked one motion to me. Arms pinged yes, it was hardly the same as Danger who actively slung Kreuzer, particularly as Kreuzer had already been dispossessed, whilst Brown had the ball.
Having the ball doesn't matter. It doesn't get mentioned as a relevant factor in the MRP report or at the tribunal. They'll care about the bullet point under dangerous tackles. One of them specifically mentions pinning the arms leaving your opponent in a vulnerable position. That's what will see him suspended.

I don't think either player should be suspended and like last week Grundy has support from the commentariat for it but until they can change the system or rules in the off season (they won't) he will go for one bullet point being ticked.
 
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Also, slightly OT but the lack of comments from this boards small minority of trolls about Grundy being a thug has been noted.
I think the key difference is that Grundy was actually visibly shaken by what happened and was extremely apologetic afterwards. Whereas Dangerfield fronted the media the next day with a smirk on his face as he downplayed the whole thing.
 

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3. Port away. Brisbane away. Geelong two weeks ago.

Bulldogs was frustrating but Levi missed a shot in the last which could have put us right in it. Richmond second time around was pretty ordinary but they've proven to be a good side no shame in going down by about 4 goals to them. Round 1 against them was worse but I had extremely low expectations back then.

What else has been over 5 goals? Freo over there when we had 1 on the bench for a half of footy. All the rest we've been in winning positions in the last quarter so hardly bad performances for a side many expect to be 16-18th
Depends on what you call a bad performance. For me I have pretty high expectations so any game we could/should have won but didn't is also a bad performance (Melbourne in round 2 and a couple of weeks ago, St Kilda, North Melbourne, Bulldogs, yesterday). Terrible ones are those that we aren't even in the contest, which are the three you mentioned plus GC early in the season which we were never in after half time and the final margin flattered us. Richmond in round one wasn't great either considering we were never really in a position to win the game.

Based on my pre-season expectations I wanted to match last years win tally and have >10 players in our best 22 that were 23 or under by the end of the season. Don't think we will do the first but the second we certainly will. Playing the last few weeks without Cripps and Curnow has really hurt us in the middle so I can forgive the wins tally (I think we probably beat Melbourne and one of Essendon/Brisbane/WB with both of them playing full games).
 

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I think the key difference is that Grundy was actually visibly shaken by what happened and was extremely apologetic afterwards. Whereas Dangerfield fronted the media the next day with a smirk on his face as he downplayed the whole thing.
This did irk me last week tbh. Dangerfield went straight in to self-defence mode with the media after the game, don't think I heard him mention Kreuzer once.
 

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This did irk me last week tbh. Dangerfield went straight in to self-defence mode with the media after the game, don't think I heard him mention Kreuzer once.
Not to mention that all the media discussion was about whether the tackle was bad enough to rule him out of brownlow contention, and very little about how it was dangerous and resulted in a concussed player. Made it especially annoying as a fan of the 'victim'. Being in brownlow contention should have no impact on a suspension, it's called the best and fairest for a reason.
 

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I'm sure Paddy would've sent a message to Kruezer or even called him, just because he didn't say anything in front of the camera doesn't mean he didn't give a shit about Kruezer.
 

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I think the key difference is that Grundy was actually visibly shaken by what happened and was extremely apologetic afterwards. Whereas Dangerfield fronted the media the next day with a smirk on his face as he downplayed the whole thing.
Dangerfield didn't know what he'd done after the game. He was asked about the tackle on K-rock and asked "what tackle", certainly was my reaction when I saw the thread demanding suspension.

If you're going to run with facts, run with all of them to paint the context.
Cheers.

Downplayed was fair enough, he did nothing wrong and if it wasn't for the rules being so poorly written it'd have been challenged, Cook reiterated this on Friday night.
 

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I think the key difference is that Grundy was actually visibly shaken by what happened and was extremely apologetic afterwards. Whereas Dangerfield fronted the media the next day with a smirk on his face as he downplayed the whole thing.
Also, comprehension fail.
That's not what I was talking about, was talking about the act being labelled thuggish by two shit trolls. There is a distinction.
 

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This did irk me last week tbh. Dangerfield went straight in to self-defence mode with the media after the game, don't think I heard him mention Kreuzer once.
I think the key difference is that Grundy was actually visibly shaken by what happened and was extremely apologetic afterwards. Whereas Dangerfield fronted the media the next day with a smirk on his face as he downplayed the whole thing.
yh complete flog.
 

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Not to mention that all the media discussion was about whether the tackle was bad enough to rule him out of brownlow contention, and very little about how it was dangerous and resulted in a concussed player. Made it especially annoying as a fan of the 'victim'. Being in brownlow contention should have no impact on a suspension, it's called the best and fairest for a reason.
I didn't mind Whately's suggestion that any votes earned in the game where you weren't fair are disregarded, but other games where you were fair can still be considered.
 

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I didn't mind Whately's suggestion that any votes earned in the game where you weren't fair are disregarded, but other games where you were fair can still be considered.
Yeah I don't mind that for on the ball incidents, anything off the ball should rule them out of contention though.
 

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Yeah I don't mind that for on the ball incidents, anything off the ball should rule them out of contention though.
Yeah absolutely.

I agree with Scott a little bit where he says if a player misses weeks but still has enough votes to win the Brownlow that's actually even more impressive haha.
 

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Dangerfield didn't know what he'd done after the game. He was asked about the tackle on K-rock and asked "what tackle", certainly was my reaction when I saw the thread demanding suspension.

If you're going to run with facts, run with all of them to paint the context.
Cheers.

Downplayed was fair enough, he did nothing wrong and if it wasn't for the rules being so poorly written it'd have been challenged, Cook reiterated this on Friday night.
He did cause an opponent player to leave the game with concussion. When you say he did 'nothing wrong'...
 

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He did cause an opponent player to leave the game with concussion. When you say he did 'nothing wrong'...
I don't think either he or Grundy has does anything wrong, I'm far from alone on that view, most of the former players and commentariat agree.

But if you're going to suspend one based on outcome not intent then you must do for the other as well. Surely you must see this. It's not right but it is the rules that we have at present.
 

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I don't think either he or Grundy has does anything wrong, I'm far from alone on that view, most of the former players and commentariat agree.

But if you're going to suspend one based on outcome not intent then you must do for the other as well. Surely you must see this. It's not right but it is the rules that we have at present.
I agree that Grundy will go.

Former players always disagree with it because it was so much 'tougher' back in the day when they played.
 

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I agree that Grundy will go.

Former players always disagree with it because it was so much 'tougher' back in the day when they played.
and fans are hardly unbiased.
We all have vested interests.
Yeah absolutely.

I agree with Scott a little bit where he says if a player misses weeks but still has enough votes to win the Brownlow that's actually even more impressive haha.
I agree with McGuire which goes towards what elhadji has said, he said that when the fairest aspect was introduced there were no cameras or replays and less umpires. It was open slather and there were plenty of off the ball snipes, most of the games record suspensions were in the first half of last century. Now we have a game where accidents draw suspensions which stretches the definition of fair. It's a little outdated but I doubt it's changed.
 

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Good tackle & 1 motion, Dangerfield was two. Should be cleared as an unfortunate accident, but will get the Koby Stevens suspension for a similar thing
North fan did this I think.



Behind the play view does make that look like two actions and directions.
Looks worse from behind. Hate that tackles are suspendable but this footage won't allow it to be merely 1 week.
 

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If Roberton's defensive mark at the end of the 3rd quarter was taken in a big final the commentators would've started having orgasms. Great mark to save a potential goal.
 

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If Roberton's defensive mark at the end of the 3rd quarter was taken in a big final the commentators would've started having orgasms. Great mark to save a potential goal.
Has been doing it all year too, hopefully we get him signed up soon.

But was a good win and great for all the jacks to be playing well
 
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