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#27
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
No thanks :)

You can keep him and I am sure you WILL ;)
If somebody asked me to swap him for Gary Ayres at this point in time I would without any hesitation. Quicker than you could blink.

Ayres is doing the things I would be hoping for if I supported the Crows.
Choco is doing anything but, and this week's decision to drop White might end up costing him his job. Win or lose.
 

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Originally posted by sapaul
Yep it was the lead story.They didn't say a great deal except showed the Peter Jonas thing from the paper and said he is the front runner but "channel 7 believes Rodney Eade is the man the Crows want", they also mentioned Neil Craig and someone else who I forget(pretty sure it wasn't Terry Wallace) as being candidates.
Well, as I said, there's no excitement in the thought of Eade as our next coach. Solid, lacking in personality, rather negative.

It just can't be Craig. He's part of the current regime, and they've had their time.

I must admit that while Jonas might appeal to some, there are some big questions there as well.

The AFC have to get this right, as while we need a change of direction, we certainly don't want it to be downwards.
 

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My mistake, Terry Wallace was the other one mentioned..

Just checked the tape also and they also said "it is understood Eade was approached by the Crows 2 months ago and was even asked if he was prepared to take over mid season", they then said Eade denied having been approached by the club.

The reporter was Mark Soderstrom former Sturt, North and Glenlg player and current 'boundary rider' on ABCs SANFL matches.
 

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#31
Originally posted by macca23
Well, as I said, there's no excitement in the thought of Eade as our next coach. Solid, lacking in personality, rather negative.

It just can't be Craig. He's part of the current regime, and they've had their time.

I must admit that while Jonas might appeal to some, there are some big questions there as well.

The AFC have to get this right, as while we need a change of direction, we certainly don't want it to be downwards.
I think Jonas can be big plus as part of the coaching panel. His record in developing youngsters speaks for itself.

I wouldn't mind him as a head coach but I would prefer someone better as a head coach and Jonas as the development coach.

We need someone who is excellent with youngsters as part of the coaching panel. Jonas fits this criteria.

Maybe AFC did approach him to be assistant coach next year. I still think AFC will go for proven coach.
 

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#32
Originally posted by PAfolwr

Choco is doing anything but, and this week's decision to drop White might end up costing him his job. Win or lose.
That's a bit dramatic, but after seeing White play last week, it defies logic that he couldn't get a game this week.

I was impressed with him.

But then again I would have never dropped Jericho from the Crows this week.

Both clubs won't win flags with their current coaches IMO
 

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#33
Originally posted by sapaul
My mistake, Terry Wallace was the other one mentioned..

Just checked the tape also and they also said "it is understood Eade was approached by the Crows 2 months ago and was even asked if he was prepared to take over mid season", they then said Eade denied having been approached by the club.

The reporter was Mark Soderstrom former Sturt, North and Glenlg player and current 'boundary rider' on ABCs SANFL matches.
Crows won't fire Gary mid-season.
 

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Well from reading this thread I can only come to the conclusion that a mid season sacking/quitting is very likely.

Will Neil Craig be the AFC's 5th ever coach before the season is out?
 

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#35
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I think Jonas can be big plus as part of the coaching panel. His record in developing youngsters speaks for itself.

I wouldn't mind him as a head coach but I would prefer someone better as a head coach and Jonas as the development coach.

We need someone who is excellent with youngsters as part of the coaching panel. Jonas fits this criteria.

Maybe AFC did approach him to be assistant coach next year. I still think AFC will go for proven coach.
If you're talking about Jonas as an assistant coach in charge of development, then it's all thumbs up, because this is where he has experience and has shone.

But not as the head man. AFC just can't afford to gamble with a maybe head coach, and IMO must go after a proven coach.

But Wallace would be my man, not Eade.

Did anybody read the article on Wallace in today's 'tiser?

The facts certainly made a mockery of some of the negative crap posted about him in recent days on this forum.
 

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#36
Originally posted by DaveW
Well from reading this thread I can only come to the conclusion that a mid season sacking/quitting is very likely.

Will Neil Craig be the AFC's 5th ever coach before the season is out?
I would doubt it Dave. The articles are suggesting that Ayres will resign during the year, but continue to coach until the end of the season.
 

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#37
Originally posted by macca23
...But then again I would have never dropped Jericho from the Crows this week.
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I don't know the reason why Ayres dropped Jericho, and it might very well be for all the wrong reasons, but from a player development point of view, IMO, the best way to give a player good experience is to play him as much as possible for a few games, then drop him for a game or two irrespective of form, and then repeat the exercise again and again.
That is far better than having him in the side week after week for cameo roles where he doesn't fully appreciate what is required.

Williams by dropping White is showing that he is repeating the mistakes he has made again and again over the last few years. There are some things he is good at, and some things where is not. He needs to improve in the areas he is not.
I'd be very surprised if the "people that count" aren't looking for the same "signs" as most of the supporters before deciding to renew his contract or not.
Dropping White is a nail, make no mistake about that. There is plenty of time yet to try and remove it, but a few more nails and the lid will be very hard to re-open.
 

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Personally, I'm feed up with the sacking the coach or replacing the coach mid-season, lets do what we are suppose to do and win bloody football games.

If you are gonna do it, have the balls to do it and stop leaking to the media....it pis*ses me off...
 

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#39
Originally posted by DaveW
Well from reading this thread I can only come to the conclusion that a mid season sacking/quitting is very likely.

Will Neil Craig be the AFC's 5th ever coach before the season is out?
I don't think so. If there is a change mid-season it would be if Gary walked but I doubt a bloke of his integrity and character will do that.
 

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Originally posted by DaveW
Well from reading this thread I can only come to the conclusion that a mid season sacking/quitting is very likely.

Will Neil Craig be the AFC's 5th ever coach before the season is out?
It better not be Craig coz he CAN"T coach....
 

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#41
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't think so. If there is a change mid-season it would be if Gary walked but I doubt a bloke of his integrity and character will do that.
My expectations are that Ayres will be told privately but not publicly that he won't be re-appointed well before the end of the season. In fact as soon as that decision is made - no later.

That enables both parties to morally pursue their repective interests for 2005.

It would be Ayres call if he coached Adelaide until the end of the year, but I would expect that he would for self interest as much as Adelaide's.

Ayres deserves his departure to be one of dignity - he has earned that.
 

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#43
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't think its a given that Ayres won't be our coach next year.
I disagree. Not just because I think he's had his time and not fully delivered.

But when the media, both press and TV, openly talk about his replacement rather than whether he will be retained or not, you know that he won't be retained.

You wouldn't back him to have his contract extended would you Stiffy?
 

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#44
Originally posted by macca23
I disagree. Not just because I think he's had his time and not fully delivered.

But when the media, both press and TV, openly talk about his replacement rather than whether he will be retained or not, you know that he won't be retained.

You wouldn't back him to have his contract extended would you Stiffy?
Personally, everything that media speculate I take with a pinch of salt.

I think its probably time for a change but I don't think Gary is as bad a option as a lot of people say he is.

As far as his contract goes I wouldn't make a decision until at least 2 thirds through the year. If you look at it we could do a lot worse than Ayres.
 

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#45
Originally posted by sapaul
Channel 7 news here tonight said Ayres will quit before the season is over but coach till the end of the year and according to 'their sources' Rodney Eade is the man the Crows want.
well I guess he was their 1st choice before appointing Ayres.
would make some sense.
 

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#47
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
you seem surprised? :D
No I'm not. But I was starting to think that I must have been talking about a different Terry Wallace than the one that coached the Bulldogs, going by all the negative crap that I'd been reading.

Wallace took over a team towards the end of '96 in steep decline and ended up with a winning record of 79 wins, 67 losses, 2 draws. That was with a pretty ordinary list IMO.

He coached for for 6 years, and made the finals in his first 4.

No one could deny that he coached under great financial and facility limitations.

The article desribes him as making an instant impression, not only changing the Bulldog's fortunes, but the way the game was played with an enterprising, perhaps risky, gameplan that broke the model.

That's certainly more how I saw him, rather than a negative coach as some have described him in recent days.

He'd be my choice of coach for the Crows in 2005.
 

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I'm one of the ones that thinks he is a negative coach, however I did concede a point to you the other night. That is that most coaches do improve second time round after a couple of years out.

I went searching for the article after you mentioned it, and in there (if it is the same one) he himself mentions the same thing, plus concedes making mistakes during his time at the dogs.
 

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Originally posted by jc67
This is the article, http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy03/story_page/0,8747,9679819%5E25397,00.html
It supports what i have been saying, he WAS fresh,
I really dont think he is our best option. As much as i have problems with the way Gary does things I would rather he stayed than appoint Terry.
BTW Ayres is a "second time around" coach.
Yep that's the one.

Gary Ayres is a second time round coach, but with no breaks in between jobs.
Reflection is the most important part of learning. With no "reflection" it is hard to recognise mistakes let alone fix them.
 
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