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Our backline has been very unsettled last year and it seems to be continuing this year. It has not functioned well. The forward line is taking shape and on paper I think it will be OK once Reid & White are in and we slot Fas & Kennedy in around them. The midfield is good enough. The rucks are a concern but we can see where they are heading with Witts & Grundy (hopefully a 10 year ruck set up).

Lack of experience is the big worry and really the main reason Maxwell is still so important down there post Heath Shaw. Reid seems forward bound which I love and for us to be a force he will be a forward. He may get reassigned back if things go bad Some of the key players ahead for 2014:

Keefe - I think Keefe is a key player, but needs to be assigned a specific role. He needs to be played on the super sized ruck forwards that are running around and most sides have them. He is ideal for Tippett, Daniher, Cox, Petrie types who traditionally cause us headaches. Play him on smaller leading types and he will get beaten. This is why he didn't play against Freo there was no match up. I would like Keefe to be able to follow these tall ruck forwards into the ruck as well. This is where his game can really become valuable.

Brown - He is solid, but not spectacular. At times I find he gets out of position or tries too much. We just want Brown to take the monsters like Roughead & Hawkins and shut them down using his strength. Its possible that some sides he may not have a great match up for. I would like him to develop a second string like Reid. If he could go forward at times he becomes a handy player that can allow Reid to take athletic types whil Brown fills his shoes forward. As it is now Brown is one dimensional.

Frost - I like Frost. He is a dour defender in the mould of Presti. He can play on a range of guys, but like Presti just don't expect too much more as his decision making and kicking are just average. Its unlikely all 3 of Frost, Keefe & Brown will play in the same side although match ups decide this. The main reason for this is their lack of versatility.

Williams - sigh... Marley was to be a stand out player this year, fingers crossed he still can be. We do not have a player than can match his hardness in the backline. He is in our best back six comfortbly post Heater. If he gets back he does improve this side.

Seedsman - Another ommission so far from 2014 that hurts us greatly. His line breaking run, poise and delicious foot skills means lots of excellent rebound footy. We do not have a player that can provide what he does at this stage.

Toovey - Such an important player who has been missed. However important to remember he is another role player and not the saviour of our backline. When we start listing Brown, Keefe, Frost Maxy & Toovey in the backline it looks very toothless. Tooves will provide excellent resistance but not win the war.

Maxwell - Not much to say about Maxy we know what he gives. Likely his last year but he does set an example, provides effort and leadership. However his best now is only bordeline AFL quality.

Goldsack - Goldy needs to play back and essentially force Maxwell out. Our forward line does not need a bit part utility anymore. Goldy is best as a defender although at times he can be clumsy. He brings great intent and energy. His closing speed makes him a perfect match up for those mid size leading forwards like Mayne and Gunston. He can offer rebound and his booming kick can be handy - even at kick outs. If Goldy can't nail a spot back this year, he is not really in our best 22. Goldy has been around a while too so his expericence can be invaluable for such an inexperienced back 6.

Langdon - Shot into calculations with a bullet. Looks a good type. Most impressed with his composure under pressure, this is a massive plus in the modern day frantic forward presses. Its early days but he looked a rounded player on Friday against Freo.

Scharenburg - The great white hope. This kid will inject class, play a variety of roles and lift our disposal effeciency. Not expecting great impact this year and its possible he moves to the midfield anyway. However, I feel he can do more damage off half back.

Sinclair - Loving his evolution to become a small defender. Has the wheels to take those quick forwards who in the past have been our nemesis. He always has a crack and especially with question marks over Marley's future has forced his way into a role.

Armstrong/Clarke/Yagmoor - I have lumped these guys together. Purely depth now. All offer some run but are missing what it takes at AFL level. Clarke is a marathon man but his footskills have sadly declined and he looks one paced. Armstrong looks good at times but essentially a seagull. Yagmoor continues to entice & I hold out hope, but the clock is ticking and likely to be his last chance. This is an ideal year to cement a spot for these guys, lots of oppurtunity if you perform. I have the feeling they just are not going to impact at all.

How I see the backline lining up:

Talls: Brown, Keefe, Frost - pick 2 depending on match ups, with Reid our emergency
Med: Toovey, Maxwell, Goldsack, Scharenburg
Small: Williams, Sinclair, Langdon, Yagmoor
Running HBs: Seedsman, Armstrong, Clarke

At this stage our best six IMO (exc Ben Reid):

Williams Brown Toovey
Goldsack Keefe Seedsman

We are currently running with(exc Ben Reid):

Sinclair Brown Toovey
Maxwell Frost Langdon

Our best six within the next year (exc Ben Reid):

Williams Brown Toovey
Scharenburg Keefe Seedsman
 
A bit off topic, but what happens with Marley if he gets convicted and goes to jail? Do we delist him? Hold onto him and then play him when he gets out? Ive got everything crossed that he gets cleared, but in the worst case scenario, what do we do with him list wise?
 
Our backline has been very unsettled last year and it seems to be continuing this year. It has not functioned well. The forward line is taking shape and on paper I think it will be OK once Reid & White are in and we slot Fas & Kennedy in around them. The midfield is good enough. The rucks are a concern but we can see where they are heading with Witts & Grundy (hopefully a 10 year ruck set up).

Lack of experience is the big worry and really the main reason Maxwell is still so important down there post Heath Shaw. Reid seems forward bound which I love and for us to be a force he will be a forward. He may get reassigned back if things go bad Some of the key players ahead for 2014:

Keefe - I think Keefe is a key player, but needs to be assigned a specific role. He needs to be played on the super sized ruck forwards that are running around and most sides have them. He is ideal for Tippett, Daniher, Cox, Petrie types who traditionally cause us headaches. Play him on smaller leading types and he will get beaten. This is why he didn't play against Freo there was no match up. I would like Keefe to be able to follow these tall ruck forwards into the ruck as well. This is where his game can really become valuable.

Brown - He is solid, but not spectacular. At times I find he gets out of position or tries too much. We just want Brown to take the monsters like Roughead & Hawkins and shut them down using his strength. Its possible that some sides he may not have a great match up for. I would like him to develop a second string like Reid. If he could go forward at times he becomes a handy player that can allow Reid to take athletic types whil Brown fills his shoes forward. As it is now Brown is one dimensional.

Frost - I like Frost. He is a dour defender in the mould of Presti. He can play on a range of guys, but like Presti just don't expect too much more as his decision making and kicking are just average. Its unlikely all 3 of Frost, Keefe & Brown will play in the same side although match ups decide this. The main reason for this is their lack of versatility.

Williams - sigh... Marley was to be a stand out player this year, fingers crossed he still can be. We do not have a player than can match his hardness in the backline. He is in our best back six comfortbly post Heater. If he gets back he does improve this side.

Seedsman - Another ommission so far from 2014 that hurts us greatly. His line breaking run, poise and delicious foot skills means lots of excellent rebound footy. We do not have a player that can provide what he does at this stage.

Toovey - Such an important player who has been missed. However important to remember he is another role player and not the saviour of our backline. When we start listing Brown, Keefe, Frost Maxy & Toovey in the backline it looks very toothless. Tooves will provide excellent resistance but not win the war.

Maxwell - Not much to say about Maxy we know what he gives. Likely his last year but he does set an example, provides effort and leadership. However his best now is only bordeline AFL quality.

Goldsack - Goldy needs to play back and essentially force Maxwell out. Our forward line does not need a bit part utility anymore. Goldy is best as a defender although at times he can be clumsy. He brings great intent and energy. His closing speed makes him a perfect match up for those mid size leading forwards like Mayne and Gunston. He can offer rebound and his booming kick can be handy - even at kick outs. If Goldy can't nail a spot back this year, he is not really in our best 22. Goldy has been around a while too so his expericence can be invaluable for such an inexperienced back 6.

Langdon - Shot into calculations with a bullet. Looks a good type. Most impressed with his composure under pressure, this is a massive plus in the modern day frantic forward presses. Its early days but he looked a rounded player on Friday against Freo.

Scharenburg - The great white hope. This kid will inject class, play a variety of roles and lift our disposal effeciency. Not expecting great impact this year and its possible he moves to the midfield anyway. However, I feel he can do more damage off half back.

Sinclair - Loving his evolution to become a small defender. Has the wheels to take those quick forwards who in the past have been our nemesis. He always has a crack and especially with question marks over Marley's future has forced his way into a role.

Armstrong/Clarke/Yagmoor - I have lumped these guys together. Purely depth now. All offer some run but are missing what it takes at AFL level. Clarke is a marathon man but his footskills have sadly declined and he looks one paced. Armstrong looks good at times but essentially a seagull. Yagmoor continues to entice & I hold out hope, but the clock is ticking and likely to be his last chance. This is an ideal year to cement a spot for these guys, lots of oppurtunity if you perform. I have the feeling they just are not going to impact at all.

How I see the backline lining up:

Talls: Brown, Keefe, Frost - pick 2 depending on match ups, with Reid our emergency
Med: Toovey, Maxwell, Goldsack, Scharenburg
Small: Williams, Sinclair, Langdon, Yagmoor
Running HBs: Seedsman, Armstrong, Clarke

At this stage our best six IMO (exc Ben Reid):

Williams Brown Toovey
Goldsack Keefe Seedsman

We are currently running with(exc Ben Reid):

Sinclair Brown Toovey
Maxwell Frost Langdon

Our best six within the next year (exc Ben Reid):

Williams Brown Toovey
Scharenburg Keefe Seedsman

Good write up. Would add Oxley (when fit) as competing for spot with Maxwell & Goldsack or longer term as rotating with Scharenberg & Seedsman who both have potential to be used elsewhere. Langdon (listed as 191cm) would also be in medium not smalls?
 

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A bit off topic, but what happens with Marley if he gets convicted and goes to jail? Do we delist him? Hold onto him and then play him when he gets out? Ive got everything crossed that he gets cleared, but in the worst case scenario, what do we do with him list wise?

If he goes to jail, I don't think Collingwood will keep him on the list. They won't abandon him, probably keep in touch and try and organise him coming back through the WAFL/VFL once he gets released. But you'd have to think that Collingwood won't keep him on the list.
 
A bit off topic, but what happens with Marley if he gets convicted and goes to jail? Do we delist him? Hold onto him and then play him when he gets out? Ive got everything crossed that he gets cleared, but in the worst case scenario, what do we do with him list wise?

Wouldn't delist him unless conviction was for longer term (at least 2 years). Some similarities with Eagles' Newman (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ver-perth-nightclub-fight-20140307-34c0m.html) and he got one year. In Williams favour I think Newman more of an aggressor and Williams has shown more remorse. Thus I'm hoping if sentenced to jail time that it's little enough that he is available before finals.
 
Good write up. Would add Oxley (when fit) as competing for spot with Maxwell & Goldsack or longer term as rotating with Scharenberg & Seedsman who both have potential to be used elsewhere. Langdon (listed as 191cm) would also be in medium not smalls?

Yes totally agree, I have omitted Oxley there and he should be right in the picture. Its probably worth mentioning Lumumba as well. We are collecting all these midfielders he may be better use for us plugging holes down back again.

Langdon is a hard one to slot in until we get a better feel for him. Looks like he can play tall or small. At this stage we need someone who can play small more. I think him and Scharenburg will be interesting to watch develop and both could end up in the midfield.
 
I'm not convinced Goldy is the answer and I fear having him line up on Gunston, who is a smart forward who reads the ball exceptionally well. Goldy doesn't, especially down back.

Not sure he is the answer either but its his best chance. As you say he doesn't read the ball great - which is why he doesn't make a great forward. As a defender you don't necessarily have to read the ball, just say with your man and shut down their movement which he is very capable of. He has in the past played some great roles shutting down a mobile Adam Goodes.

He is probably not going to be a floating loose man defender like Maxy was (who could read the play so well), rolling off and taking intercept marks, but he can be a better defensive player than Maxwell as he has all the tools. I would be quite confident he could shut down a player like Gunston.
 
As much as I like Reidy playing forward, I think we currently require him in defence. One of the best KPDs in the comp. Thought the write-up was a li'l unfair towards Toove. He'll be much better for the run on Friday night, and I for one am over the moon to see him back in the team
 
Frost needs to either improve his marking or just kill the contest with a big spoil at every opportunity. The amount of times he had both hands on the footy and ended up either dropping it or effecting a team mates attempt at a mark was far too many. Some costing us goals, where a nice old fashioned fist to the boundary would've done the job nicely.

Saying that, that also relies on instruction from team mates off the contest and he'll get better with each game he plays.

I like Frost, I think he gets a game in front of Maxwell atm.

Our best users of the footy coming out of the back half aren't playing at the moment and that hurts. Williams out is also a massive loss for us.

I'd rather Young and H get their hands on the footy forward of the middle.

I also think Goldsack is better suited to the backline - he is desperate in terms of his spoiling and tackling - he just fumbles all the f**king time.

Brown needs to play, you can't have all six defenders being attacking or providing rebound. Against forwards who run in straight lines, he is as good as any, mobile forwards who can move laterally at pace, he struggles with. As a defender, its good to know that someone is always there and will spoil at every opportunity - Brown provides that.

Reid needs to play down back - end of story. If the forward line isn't functioning and we are ontop or can create a mismatch - then swing him forward. He must start back though!
 
Our backline should look something like this against Sydney:

B: Alan Toovey, Nathan Brown, Jack Frost

HB: Tony Armstrong, Lachlan Keeffe, Tom Landgon

I/C: Ben Sinclair
 
I think it's not the personnel but the structure and defensive plan which is the main problem with our backline. One of the great things in 2010/2011 was our team defence, where we had defenders peel off their opponents to help spoil/intercept a contest. Freo do a similar thing with Zac Dawson, Johnson and sometimes Mcpharlin helping to kill the contest. Almost every good team in the competition has a defensive plan which involves players in the backline helping each other out in contests. We have too much of a focus on winning 1v1's rather than just trying to kill the contest. I don't know what the hell Buckley is thinking with putting an extra man on the ball rather than in the defence, nowadays we have no use for maxwell other than "leadership", because he used to be so successful in the loose man role. I was also an advocate of putting Reid back, but his biggest strengths as a defender aren't utilised in this gameplan.

This is one of the many reasons why I'm not sure if Buckley has what it takes as a coach, I hope he proves me wrong but doesn't take too long to do so.
(Inb4 people go crazy about me not being a true supporter because I don't agree with/question Buckley's tactics/gameplan/match day decisions)
 
Our backline should look something like this against Sydney:

B: Alan Toovey, Nathan Brown, Jack Frost

HB: Tony Armstrong, Lachlan Keeffe, Tom Landgon

I/C: Ben Sinclair
yep... we're gonna get smashed there!!.. no way Armstrong will start ahead of Sinclair though and they won't drop Maxwell after 1 game. I have gone and done a 360 and now think that both Reid and Lumumba need to be played in the backline this year... otherwise it's gonna be really ugly.
 

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yep... we're gonna get smashed there!!.. no way Armstrong will start ahead of Sinclair though and they won't drop Maxwell after 1 game. I have gone and done a 360 and now think that both Reid and Lumumba need to be played in the backline this year... otherwise it's gonna be really ugly.

A current game plan doesn't suit Reid in the backline and Armstrong's ball use is better than Sinclair's and we need Lumumba's speed on the wing otherwise we are going to be too slow.
 
I absolutely hate that we are trying to develop Armstrong into a half back, he is simply too soft and doesn't read the play well enough, or have a good defensive side to his game. When I saw him play for the swans his best football was as a small forward.

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Im hoping these 4 blokes cement themselves our team (especially if Marley doesnt come back) by the end of this year/early next season. Forcing the likes of Maxwell, Lumumba(idk about harry latley, just been gumby and doesnt handle himself very well under pressure) and perhaps even Young.
Very much a quality rebound and intercept team with these blokes down back, something we lack in.
 
I absolutely hate that we are trying to develop Armstrong into a half back, he is simply too soft and doesn't read the play well enough, or have a good defensive side to his game. When I saw him play for the swans his best football was as a small forward.

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He's a good tackler doesn't mind getting the hard ball and mans up opponents well.
 
A current game plan doesn't suit Reid in the backline and Armstrong's ball use is better than Sinclair's and we need Lumumba's speed on the wing otherwise we are going to be too slow.


So you have worked our our game plan after one game??
Armstrong doesn thave the defensive capabilities to be included in our backline.
What I dont understand is why don't we just play Davis and Dick????:rolleyes:
 
I have a feeling our "need for Reid" forward may be alleviated in 2015 by Darcy Moore coming on board and the natural evolution of Witts and Grundy into ruck/forward beasts. Until then though we will have to juggle Reid between forward and back as the challenges arise. I'm not sure Keeffe is a CHB either and would even entertain playing Brown there or Frost if the match ups allow.
I too see Frost as a Maxwell replacement (if need be) but think the back line /s will look like this:

2014:
Sinclair, Keefe, Toovey

Langdon, Brown, Young or Lamumba

and then when the others come back....Oxley, Seedsman, Broomhead and co will slot into the various flank and wing positions.

2015:
Langdon, Keefe/Brown, Toovey

Sharenburg, Reid, Oxley

Long term I see Seedsman, Williams, Broomhead and Freeman moving into the midfield alongside Adams and Thomas.

It's going to be a very different side in 2-3 years.
Enjoy the ride.
 

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So you have worked our our game plan after one game??
Armstrong doesn thave the defensive capabilities to be included in our backline.
What I dont understand is why don't we just play Davis and Dick????:rolleyes:

Maybe add another two years to that:rolleyes:
 
Yehhh short answer is our backline is ****ed.

The backline is the number 1 ingredient in a premiership team in my opinion. And we just don't have the right mix of players or structure.
 
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Im hoping these 4 blokes cement themselves our team (especially if Marley doesnt come back) by the end of this year/early next season. Forcing the likes of Maxwell, Lumumba(idk about harry latley, just been gumby and doesnt handle himself very well under pressure) and perhaps even Young.
Very much a quality rebound and intercept team with these blokes down back, something we lack in.
There is no way Paul seedsman is 190cm
 
There is no way Paul seedsman is 190cm
I would say he is, hes a tall young man.
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Nath is 195cm and hes leaning a smidge, also wearing a cap.
 
A bit off topic, but what happens with Marley if he gets convicted and goes to jail? Do we delist him? Hold onto him and then play him when he gets out? Ive got everything crossed that he gets cleared, but in the worst case scenario, what do we do with him list wise?
He will get time. He broke a mans jaw and he needed surgery. Somewhere around the 1 year mark.

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He will get time. He broke a mans jaw and he needed surgery. Somewhere around the 1 year mark.

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Why didn't Barry Hall get time? Was much much worse than what Marley Williams did. Maybe Marley should of broken a players jaw on the footy field and just taken a 8 week holiday.
 

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