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Which Hogwarts house does Joe Root belong in?


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Breed died - look at the ages and the systems these guys came thru - you will never see players of this ilk again - the systems changed - now it's all about elite talent and trying to retro fit defence. These guys came thru with defence first then attack - very different results.
Jordan Silk from Tassie is in this mould.. Great young batsman.
 

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Breed died - look at the ages and the systems these guys came thru - you will never see players of this ilk again - the systems changed - now it's all about elite talent and trying to retro fit defence. These guys came thru with defence first then attack - very different results.
In a general sense I totally agree with you, but "never" is a big call.

As long as Test matches remain 5 day contests there will always be a place for the player who reduces risk by being more careful with shot selection than the Warners & Watsons of this world.

England will continue to provide Test cricket with batsmen incapable of scoring any faster than 2.5 runs per over. You can bet your life on that.
 

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In a general sense I totally agree with you, but "never" is a big call.

As long as Test matches remain 5 day contests there will always be a place for the player who reduces risk by being more careful with shot selection than the Warners & Watsons of this world.

England will continue to provide Test cricket with batsmen incapable of scoring any faster than 2.5 runs per over. You can bet your life on that.
Never is a big call - but in Australia - I'm fairly confident (and I take on board the comment re: Silk and his innings in the Shield Final) that we just will not produce players who defend first - then attack - Junior cricket nowadays starts to young and is all about winning and thus scoring runs to do so you have to swing through the legside as most aren't big or strong enough to hit thru the off side along the ground etc,etc and so it begins.

Last year my eldest boy was selected to play U/13 representative cricket at the age of 11 - I'm a level II coach but I try and stay out of it because I want to him to work it out for himself - and I've drummed technique into him at home since he was a little bloke - "side on" has been my catch cry to both of my boys and I am immensely proud of them as batsmen - the are beautiful little players with great techniques. In his first bat the game was getting close - he faced about four balls - played them all appropriately - and was then promptly retired by the coach for a player who had already batted so he could come in and slog some runs through the legside and ensure victory. He finished up open the batting at the carnival because he was the only one that could actually defend. This year he's off again, but because he's not a slogger he will not bat where he should.

This type of situation is common at most junior carnivals that are on now and sums up why our batting will never return to the zenith of the 90's / '00's.

With regard to England - their natural flair has been stunted by the noise in the background - Andy Flower and the Gooch were both fine cricketers in their own right, but very conservative in nature - Under pressure the England batsman have gone into their shells and that has played into Australia's hands. I think with different people at the controls you might see an improvement in the tactics and mindset of the bastsmen. Carberry is actually an attacking player with a bit of flair in County cricket - yet in Melbourne and to a lesser extent Sydney - he batted like a crab.
 

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...With regard to England - their natural flair has been stunted by the noise in the background - Andy Flower and the Gooch were both fine cricketers in their own right, but very conservative in nature - Under pressure the England batsman have gone into their shells and that has played into Australia's hands. I think with different people at the controls you might see an improvement in the tactics and mindset of the bastsmen. Carberry is actually an attacking player with a bit of flair in County cricket - yet in Melbourne and to a lesser extent Sydney - he batted like a crab.
"England's natural flair has been stunted" ?

I know what you are saying here. But England's natural 'flair' has almost always been to ensure the opposition can't win, prior to attempting to win a Test match. This is what they have been bought up on since cricket bats were made of wood, and reflected by their slow and as-risk-free-as-possible batting, and negative field placings.

Under some captains, at some points in history, England have diverted from that approach. But if you've followed cricket a while you'll know exactly where I'm coming from.

A prime example from their current stocks is Joe Root. Root is usually, in Test matches anyway, the personification of old school English batting - let everything go that you possibly can. Only play at what you have to. No wonder Geoff Boycott loves him (plus I think he might be a Yorkshireman?)
 

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"England's natural flair has been stunted" ?

I know what you are saying here. But England's natural 'flair' has almost always been to ensure the opposition can't win, prior to attempting to win a Test match. This is what they have been bought up on since cricket bats were made of wood, and reflected by their slow and as-risk-free-as-possible batting, and negative field placings.

Under some captains, at some points in history, England have diverted from that approach. But if you've followed cricket a while you'll know exactly where I'm coming from.

A prime example from their current stocks is Joe Root. Root is usually, in Test matches anyway, the personification of old school English batting - let everything go that you possibly can. Only play at what you have to. No wonder Geoff Boycott loves him (plus I think he might be a Yorkshireman?)
Yes you are right - but put someone with flair at the controls and you might be surprised what you get - listen to a lot of the English commentators and I'm talking ex players here - primarily the sky sports boys -they have been horrified at the negativity with which they have batted - that may be the old fashioned English tradition but that's a sterotype and one which has been clearly identified as being unsuccessful. I enjoy watching Cook bat to a degree because he is a run maker and when on song his concentration is so powerful - In India he was amazing. Bell the technician is someone I also appreciate, but the guy I want to watch is KP because he loves the contest and he backs himself - watching him out here it were as if he were in another team and he'd been lobotomized to a degree. I sat 4 rows off the fence at the MCG in the Members behind the bowlers arm for 3 days - when the wheels were falling off on Day 3 he went down to Stokes, Bairstow, Bresnan and Broad one after another and I guaranteed you said to them "leave Mitchell Johnson to me -you face Lyon". Three of them responded by playing soft shots and Bairstow proved he clearly wasn't up to the task. KP's response was to throw his wicket away given the cause was lost - everyone in the ground knew he was going to try and hit a six off the ball he got out on.

Batting is and must be instinctive, the moment your mind is cluttered - you're ****** - lot's of cluttered minds in the England camp - so who is doing the cluttering? As a cricket nut myself I've been there and ruined 5 of my best years by over complicating it - simplicity, balance and enjoyment are the keys. The backroom staff need a stern overview.

Root is from Yorkshire, from the same club as Michael Vaughan - I have one of his sticks and he will be a great player in time - but he has been right royally screwed over here. The main ingredient to any successful cricketer and team is belief - the poms have shown little in their players and it shows in their performance as a team.

The main change in the two series - above all things - Mitchell Johnson included - was BELIEF and you can credit the turnaround in that to a Mr D Lehmann and the flow on effect it has had on everyone none moreso than Mitchell Johnson.
 

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Though I think there will always be a place in cricket for players like Langer, Katich, Ed Cowan and Rogers - who defend their wicket like their life depends on it - they are certainly a dying breed.
Let's say you don't want Ed defending your life.
 

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Srsly? Gee you've got your knickers in a twist lately
Amstaff_ needs to pull his head in, or else he's gawn.

But yeah, stop sooking flogs, it is after all a football forum. The general understanding is that whilst cricket conversation won't be discouraged, it'll be confined to either here, or Gingy's thread.
 
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