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BAY SHEFFIELD FACTS

The Bay Sheffield footrace has been held every year since 1887 on the day South Australia celebrates its birthday – December 28 (Proclamation Day).​
Throughout its 120 year history, the Bay Sheffield Carnival has been held every year at the Glenelg public reserve named Colley Reserve, except for between 1966-1969 and 2001-2003. Between 1966 and 1969, it was held on Wigley Reserve due to reconstruction work between the Town Hall and Colley Reserve. During 2001-2003, the Bay Sheffield was run at Adelaide Oval after the SA Athletic League had a dispute with the Glenelg Commemoration Day Sports Association.​
The first Bay Sheffield in 1887 was won over 100 yards by H Quinn off a handicap of 11 yards in a time of 9.4 seconds. 38 runners had nominated for the inaugural race and the first prize was 14 pounds. In 1999 there were 104 runners nominated and the first prize was $13650.​
It was not until 1982 that licensed bookmakers could legally operate on races conducted at the Bay Sheffield Carnival but it was well known before this date that, although illegal, bookmakers could be found in the area.​

A large number of well-known South Australian Aussie Rules League Footballers have won the Bay Sheffield – 26 in number. With increasing time commitments demanded by clubs for their own pre-season training in recent times, it has been 15 years since a League footballer won the race (South Adelaide player Darren Kappler who also played in the AFL was the 1985 Bay Sheffield champion). The list of footballers who have won the race is:​
SOUTH ADELAIDE
Wally Allen (1919), Clem Croft (1929), Laurie Cahill (1936), Alf Skuse (1964), Darren Kappler (1985)​
WEST ADELAIDE
Alby Klose (1907), Fred Ralph (1930, 1932), John McInerney (1966), Neil Jamieson (1967)​
WEST TORRENS
Dave Smith (1902, 1903), Albert Fooks (1910, 1915)​
NORTH ADELAIDE
Norm Claxton (1900), Russell Fuss (1920), Merv Smith (1945), Merv Way (1951)​
NORWOOD
JD "Bunny" Daly (1896), Ern Wadham (1922), LR Parker (1927)​
STURT
Oscar Hyman (1895), Harold Bruce (1918), Ken Brown (1942)​
PORT ADELAIDE
Bruce McInnes (1924), Peter Mead (1969)​
GLENELG
Allan James (1935)​
It was in 1893 that a dead-heat occurred in the Bay Sheffield final between A.Polkinghorne and F.Woollard. A run-off was the held, with A.Polkinghorne declared the winner.​
Before 1900 it was quite common for runners to assume different names when they entered. The 1990 winner, Norm Claxton, entered the race as "F.Pierce". This practice was stamped out in following years.​
The 1901 final saw a protest lodged against the first across the line, J.Mongan, for not supplying the correct amount of information for the handicapper to judge his ability. The 2nd placegetter, W.E.Palmer, was then awarded the race.​
There have been 6 Bay Sheffield winners that have won the Stawell Gift.​
 
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A school friend of Jane’s saw the three children at Glenelg Beach
shortly after 11.00am. They were swimming in the shallows near
the Glenelg jetty, then running up to Colley Reserve, directly
behind the Holdfast Bay Sailing Club on Moseley Square. Colley
Reserve was a quiet corner of the foreshore, between the sailing
club and the row of sideshows, to the northeast of the beach.
The children laid out their towels near two large trees and were
running in and out of the sprinklers.
A 74-year-old Glenelg woman saw the children ‘frolicking’
with a tall, thin man at Colley Reserve. The elderly woman saw
the man talk to the children and very soon they were playing
with him. Arnna and Grant were jumping over him as he lay on
the grass, while Jane was flicking him with her towel. They were
still laughing and playing together when the woman left the area,
shortly before noon.
The man was originally described as a ‘sun-tanned surfie’ or
‘beachcomber’, about 6 feet 1 in in height, and 30 to 40 years old,
with ‘blond’ hair that was ‘in need of cutting’. This description
was later corrected by other witnesses. In a time when 25 percent
of the population of Adelaide was composed of immigrants, it
was noted that the man spoke with an Australian accent. The man
had been lying face down on his towel on the grass area, watching
the children as they washed the sand off under the sprinklers. He
was wearing sky-blue bathers with a white stripe down each side
and had placed his clothes on a white seat near the sailing club.
Around midday, an elderly couple, sitting nearby with their
teenage granddaughter, had a conversation with the man. The
man was with the three children, on the grassy area behind them,
when he approached and asked, ‘Did any of you people see anyone
with our clothes? We’ve had some money taken ...’ The elderly
couple were able to describe the children’s clothing, including
the shoulder bag Jane had been carrying, also confirmed by a
middle-aged woman sitting nearby, who thought the man said,
‘Have you seen anyone messing with our clothes? Our money
has been pinched.’ Later there was cause to wonder: Did someone
really take their money, or did the man take Jane’s purse so that he
had a reason to offer them some money and a lift home?
The middle-aged woman watched the man as he helped the
children put their shorts on over their bathers. She thought it was
especially strange that he did this for the eldest girl, who appeared
old enough to dress herself.
They had already missed the midday bus and now, according to
the man seen with them, had no money to buy their lunches or
get home. Having apparently won the confidence of the children,
the man left them for a while and went to the changing sheds to
get dressed. The children crossed the path that cut through Colley
Reserve and stood near a seat, waiting for the man to return. They
were still standing there when the elderly couple left the beach
with their granddaughter at 12.15pm.
The last sighting of the three children was in Wenzel’s Cakes
on Moseley Street, where they were due to catch the bus home. A
shop assistant later said the three children came in around midday
and bought their lunches – pies and pasties, but also another
lunch in a separate bag – with a £1 note. This information was
not circulated in the press at the time and not officially confirmed
by the police for another 12 months. The children had left home
with only eight shillings and sixpence, so it appeared someone
most likely the man they were seen playing with, had given them
a considerable amount of money to buy their lunch.
Although it was later erroneously reported that the children
were last seen in the company of the man at about 1.45pm, the
shop assistant in Wenzel’s Cakes who served the children did not
corroborate this account, as she did not see a man with them.
After the children left the shop, no one saw them get into a car
or walk home to Somerton Park, and the bus driver did not see
them on his bus that afternoon. As the police later observed, it
was as if they’d ‘disappeared into thin air’.
Extract from 'The Satin Man'.
 

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Harry Phipps (died 2004), a local factory owner and a member of Adelaide's social elite, was identified as a possible suspect after the publication of the book The Satin Man: Uncovering the Mystery of the Missing Beaumont Children in 2013. The book did not name the identity of the Satin Man, but his estranged son identified him soon after as the Satin Man and possible murderer.

Phipps bore a substantial likeness to the police artist's impression of the man seen talking to the children on the beach. He was a relatively tall man around 6 foot one and did have light brown hair in 1966 and a thin face. He was wealthy and known to be in the habit of giving out £1 notes, was later alleged to have pedophile tendencies, and lived only 300 metres away from Glenelg Beach on the corner of Augusta Street and Sussex Street.

His birthdate of the 1st of July 1917 made him 48 years of age at the time of the Beaumont disappearance. Those that knew Harry Phipps at this time said he looked a lot younger than his 48 years. This age discrepancy leaves a question mark next to Harry Phipps being the possible abductor- a 48 year old having to look around 35.

In 2007, Phipps's son Haydn, who was 15 at the time of the disappearance, came forward to researchers with the claim that he had seen the children in his father's yard that day. Two other persons, youths at the time, said that they had been paid by Phipps to dig a 2 × 1 × 2-metre hole in his factory yard that weekend, for unstated reasons.

In November 2013, a one-metre-squared section of a factory in North Plympton, which had been owned by Phipps, was excavated following the new information about his possible involvement in the disappearance of the children. A ground-penetrating radar found "one small anomaly, which can indicate movement or objects within the soil", but the dig found no additional evidence and investigations into the site were closed.

On 22 January 2018, Adelaide detectives announced that they would return to the factory site and conduct further excavations, after a private investigation sponsored by Channel Seven Adelaide. The excavation, on 2 February 2018, took nine hours. Animal bones and general rubbish were found, but nothing related to the Beaumont case.

In 2017, more evidence may have come to hand as according to S.A. Major Crimes Superintendent Des Bray, “There has been information that has come in and that caused us in 2017 to commence a discreet investigation which we didn’t announce publicly (into Harry Phipps).” In addition to this, former SA detective, Bill Hayes has said: “In this particular case we’ve got over 30 coincidences lining up to Mr Phipps.”

Despite the failed Castalloy dig, there is still the possibility that Harry Phipps was the Beaumont children abductor. There was a cottage at Castalloy that was deemed out-of-bounds to all staff except Harry Phipps and it is alleged he dressed in satin here which aroused him. He may have taken the Beaumont children to this cottage before disposing of their bodies through another method at the site. There was a factory waste area that resembled a sandpit. Phipps may have dumped the surfboard bags in here containing the Beaumont children and would have hence bypassed the risky manoeuvre of getting people to dig the hole. Another possibility involves the furnace that Harry Phipps had access to on the factory site. Depending on certain factors, this may have been thought of as an easy way to hide all evidence.

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Most photos of Phipps show a man with a chubby face - one I wouldnt describe as thin

His hairstyle was also conservative - ie not ''long at the back''

The photos dont show a man who 'looks younger than his years''

There are 2 photos on the South Australian Library site https://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/find/phipps

1 from 1960 and 1 from 1971 which show this chubby face and conservative haircut

This doesnt exclude Phipps but these are questions that will come up that need to be answered
 

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Johnymac1 - Maybe you might be able to confirm this for me, note the dates given in this article by Littley regarding a person named David Smith and the Bay Sheffield races..." He did not come forward immediately because just after Australia Day he went to Puckapunyal for National Service. He didn’t have access to newspapers or radio so he didn’t know that children had gone missing. When he returned to South Australia years later, the media had confused the dates/days. For years, years later, the media assumed that 26 January 1966 was a public holiday and reported that the children disappeared from Colley Reserve during the Bay Sheffield. In fact, the 1966 Bay Sheffield was held on the public holiday on Friday 28 January. <---------"........According to what I just researched, the Bay of Sheffield races have always been held on the 27th and 28th of December.
If I had all of the BC statements and sightings in ten stacks laid out in front of me. With stack number one, being relevant to the case and containing corroborated info. I think Smiths statement would end up in a stack titled “other sighting” and be placed way down the order.
The 100's of odd statements coming in post sixties, would not even make the stacks of evidence.
 

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Most photos of Phipps show a man with a chubby face - one I wouldnt describe as thin

His hairstyle was also conservative - ie not ''long at the back''

The photos dont show a man who 'looks younger than his years''

There are 2 photos on the South Australian Library site https://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/find/phipps

1 from 1960 and 1 from 1971 which show this chubby face and conservative haircut

This doesnt exclude Phipps but these are questions that will come up that need to be answered
The thing is just how detailed were the descriptions given by witnesses/ And where/when did the suspect morph into a young blonde guy about 18 or so? I think because of his deviant pastimes, his sexual fetish for wearing satin dresses, his accessibility to the beach and the location of his house being only 200 metres from the reserve which would be about the distance the little boy could have walked I guess...means and motive,
  1. Harry Phipps did fit the description of the man seen with the Beaumont children at Colley Reserve Glenelg.
  2. The man at the beach was wearing blue swimmers with a white stripe down either side. The colours of the Henley Beach Surf Life Saving Club five kilometres away.A Club his teenage son sailed at in 1966.
  3. Harry Phipps was 48 years old in 1966, however many that knew him in the early to mid-1960s described Harry Phipps as looking much younger than his years.
  4. Harry Phipps was a regular swimmer at Glenelg beach.
  5. He lived 190 metres in direct view of Colley reserve.
  6. He lived 200 metres from Wenzel’s bakery where Jane Beaumont was last seen buying a large lunch with a pound note.A pound note her mother did not give Jane.
  7. Harry Phipps was known to give out pound notes in the 1950s until the mid-1960s.
  8. He had an overwhelming satin fetish. Making his own satin dresses. When wearing Satin he would become sexually aroused.
  9. Harry Phipps was well known attending a private gentlemen’s club in the Adelaide CBD; with like-minded men dressing as women.
  10. Several Castalloy workers that were employed at the factory in the 1960s and 1970s stated Harry Phipps and ” others ” would congregate on some weekends in the factory cafeteria dressed women’s clothing.
  11. His own son accuses Harry of sexually abusing him over many years. Statement analysis experts believe Haydn Phipps is being truthful.
  12. In late 2017 a lady comes forward with a similar story. Allegedly sexually abused by Harry Phipps in the 1970s when she was a 14 year old school girl. This occurred across from his Castalloy factory. A factory she lived close to. Note: Statement analysis expert state she is telling the truth
  13. Mullins and Hayes were contacted in late 2018 by an individual who alleges they were sexually abused by Harry Phipps.This individual appears very truthful. Some facts they stated resonate strongly with both. Bill Hayes is following this line of investigation.
  14. A retired senior member of the South Australian clergy was sexually abused as an alter boy in the early 1950s . Stated he knew of Harry Phipps in pedophilic circles.
 

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If I had all of the BC statements and sightings in ten stacks laid out in front of me. With stack number one, being relevant to the case and containing corroborated info. I think Smiths statement would end up in a stack titled “other sighting” and be placed way down the order.
The 100's of odd statements coming in post sixties, would not even make the stacks of evidence.
lol, I don't think there is any Smith statement - or a report made by the youngest person to become a SAPOL detective aka Barry Heaven, who was a detective constable in 1946 and still constable in 1957.
 

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I often passed the macklin street address as a kid. our family is from the area.
there was nothing that I seen or heard, suggest anything bad went on at that address.
I don't know why there are outstanding cold case murders in South Australia, I mean didn't a couple of disgruntled siblings claim their father is responsible for hundreds of SA murders? Conspiracies', sacrifices, sinkholes and wells, hidden caves and tunnels, in fact I think Rachel is writing a book "Rachel and the cave of a thousand skulls" :p
 

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tues, it seems you are on here to argue for the views of mullins and co, which is kind of ok, i guess, as for me i am CERTAIN phipps did not take the children, despite two digs at castalloy, as per directions from mullins' alleged witnesses who dug a hole for phipps around the time, it has yielded nothing, to say the actual burial site could be elsewhere, either at castalloy or somewhere else, seems to me to be just mullins in deluded denial, i ask again - if phipps took the beaumont children can you please also explain how he took the adelaide oval girls 7 years later ...
 

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tues, it seems you are on here to argue for the views of mullins and co, which is kind of ok, i guess, as for me i am CERTAIN phipps did not take the children, despite two digs at castalloy, as per directions from mullins' alleged witnesses who dug a hole for phipps around the time, it has yielded nothing, to say the actual burial site could be elsewhere, either at castalloy or somewhere else, seems to me to be just mullins in deluded denial, i ask again - if phipps took the beaumont children can you please also explain how he took the adelaide oval girls 7 years later ...
I'm merely stating the obvious - Harry Phipps was a deviant pedophile who frequented the beach as he lived only up the road and most likely befriended the kids on one of their many previous trips to that beach during those summer holidays. I never said he abducted the Adelaide oval kids as well, don't think he did that at all. Doing those digs at the Castalloy factory was a bit bizarre seeing as many areas are now concrete car parks or have been built over and sadly I don't think those 3 little kids are ever going to be found - they could have been put into the large furnace the factory used for it's manufacturing :disrelieved: It is obvious they were taken by someone they knew and had trust in.
 

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The thing is just how detailed were the descriptions given by witnesses/ And where/when did the suspect morph into a young blonde guy about 18 or so? I think because of his deviant pastimes, his sexual fetish for wearing satin dresses, his accessibility to the beach and the location of his house being only 200 metres from the reserve which would be about the distance the little boy could have walked I guess...means and motive,
Harry Phipps did fit the description of the man seen with the Beaumont children at Colley Reserve Glenelg.
At a stretch - but many men alsao fit the description
The man at the beach was wearing blue swimmers with a white stripe down either side. The colours of the Henley Beach Surf Life Saving Club five kilometres away.A Club his teenage son sailed at in 1966.
Munro also had a similar pair in photos of the time ie standard fare for the mid 60s
Harry Phipps was 48 years old in 1966, however many that knew him in the early to mid-1960s described Harry Phipps as looking much younger than his years.
At a stretch - the photo I provided does not support this
Harry Phipps was a regular swimmer at Glenelg beach.
He lived 190 metres in direct view of Colley reserve.
He lived 200 metres from Wenzel’s bakery .
Yep
Harry Phipps was known to give out pound notes in the 1950s until the mid-1960s. Jane Beaumont was last seen buying a large lunch with a pound note.A pound note her mother did not give Jane
A statement that is useless without the Wenzel bakery employee who - from all evidence provided - only gave 1 year later
He had an overwhelming satin fetish. Making his own satin dresses. When wearing Satin he would become sexually aroused.
Harry Phipps was well known attending a private gentlemen’s club in the Adelaide CBD; with like-minded men dressing as women.
Several Castalloy workers that were employed at the factory in the 1960s and 1970s stated Harry Phipps and ” others ” would congregate on some weekends in the factory cafeteria dressed women’s clothing.
Are you trans- shaming? All trans people are deviants? And therefore sex offenders? Whether its 1965 or 2021 this is a stupid premise to pin murder on a person
His own son accuses Harry of sexually abusing him over many years. Statement analysis experts believe Haydn Phipps is being truthful.
In late 2017 a lady comes forward with a similar story. Allegedly sexually abused by Harry Phipps in the 1970s when she was a 14 year old school girl. This occurred across from his Castalloy factory. A factory she lived close to. Note: Statement analysis expert state she is telling the truth
As a note - the use of statement analysis is only a guide not evidence . I have used it myself to dig deeper into peoples statements but I wont use it as my primary focus

Studies have raised serious questions and concerns about the validity of CBCA for assessing the credibility of children's testimonies. One study using 114 children showed that CBCA scores were higher for the group of children describing a familiar event compared to the group of children describing an unfamiliar event.[8] The potential influence of familiarity on CBCA scores raises concerns about the validity of the tool for assessing credibility in children.

It has also been noted that the error rate of CBCA in the laboratory is high, that the error rate of SVA in practice is unknown and that the methodology continues to be disputed among the scientific community.[9] In conclusion, there is still great controversy surrounding the use of the SVA and many studies have investigated its core component, the CBCA, in order to determine its validity and reliability. More research is needed to conclude whether or not the information obtained from these tests should be admissible in court.


Mullins and Hayes were contacted in late 2018 by an individual who alleges they were sexually abused by Harry Phipps.This individual appears very truthful. Some facts they stated resonate strongly with both. Bill Hayes is following this line of investigation.
A retired senior member of the South Australian clergy was sexually abused as an alter boy in the early 1950s . Stated he knew of Harry Phipps in pedophilic circles.
What? No statement analysis here?

Mullins and co - and you by extension or are 1 of these 2 - have built a tissue house.

Hayden Phipps was indeed abused - I have no doubt - what I do doubt are the claims he makes around the Beaumont children - his father has been accused of many things - yet nothing has been found apart from a liking for wearing womens clothes.

It needs more
 

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At a stretch - but many men alsao fit the descriptionMunro also had a similar pair in photos of the time ie standard fare for the mid 60s
At a stretch - the photo I provided does not support this
Yep
A statement that is useless without the Wenzel bakery employee who - from all evidence provided - only gave 1 year later
Are you trans- shaming? All trans people are deviants? And therefore sex offenders? Whether its 1965 or 2021 this is a stupid premise to pin murder on a person
As a note - the use of statement analysis is only a guide not evidence . I have used it myself to dig deeper into peoples statements but I wont use it as my primary focus

Studies have raised serious questions and concerns about the validity of CBCA for assessing the credibility of children's testimonies. One study using 114 children showed that CBCA scores were higher for the group of children describing a familiar event compared to the group of children describing an unfamiliar event.[8] The potential influence of familiarity on CBCA scores raises concerns about the validity of the tool for assessing credibility in children.

It has also been noted that the error rate of CBCA in the laboratory is high, that the error rate of SVA in practice is unknown and that the methodology continues to be disputed among the scientific community.[9] In conclusion, there is still great controversy surrounding the use of the SVA and many studies have investigated its core component, the CBCA, in order to determine its validity and reliability. More research is needed to conclude whether or not the information obtained from these tests should be admissible in court.



What? No statement analysis here?

Mullins and co - and you by extension or are 1 of these 2 - have built a tissue house.

Hayden Phipps was indeed abused - I have no doubt - what I do doubt are the claims he makes around the Beaumont children - his father has been accused of many things - yet nothing has been found apart from a liking for wearing womens clothes.

It needs more
At a stretch - but many men alsao fit the descriptionMunro also had a similar pair in photos of the time ie standard fare for the mid 60s
Munro was not 35-40 years old in 1966.
A statement that is useless without the Wenzel bakery employee who - from all evidence provided - only gave 1 year later
Also there is not one witness statement claiming the children went into the bakery with a man or was there a man waiting for them outside - maybe Phipps was at home sewing and Munro or Max McIntyre gave them a one pound note and said they will wait for them in the car :rolleyes:
Are you trans- shaming? All trans people are deviants? And therefore sex offenders?
FFS! As stated that was copied from 'the Satin man' website- and merely implies (to me anyway) that Phipps liked to cross dress and socialise with like minded male friends. Are you implying that all sex offenders are murderers?
As a note - the use of statement analysis is only a guide not evidence . I have used it myself to dig deeper into peoples statements but I wont use it as my primary focus
The profiler in question is Steve Van Aperen widely known as the human lie detector, a former Victorian cop who has helped solve many cases in Australia and also worked with the FBI several times and clearly claimed Haydon was telling the truth BUT he was holding back, he knew much more.
Mullins and co - and you by extension or are 1 of these 2 - have built a tissue house.
I have been merely pointing out the fact Phipps is a far more likely suspect than claims made 40 odd years after those kids vanished and their parents lived a daily life of hell that bodies were seen in a car boot (or in a house or in a garage depending on which version is being told) and Munro and Max McIntyre did it (seems Max also murdered Louise Bell, Richard Kelvin and hundreds of others according to a couple of his own children who had memory recall therapy) Me? Being a extension of Mullins and Co? Does that go for every person who mentions Harry Phipps or are you merely having a go at me for posting? The only connection I have of sorts with 'Mullins' would be the fact Steve Van Aperen is a friend of mine.
And yes,I do agree with your last comment - it DOES need more, a lot more.
 

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At a stretch - but many men alsao fit the descriptionMunro also had a similar pair in photos of the time ie standard fare for the mid 60s
Munro was not 35-40 years old in 1966.
A statement that is useless without the Wenzel bakery employee who - from all evidence provided - only gave 1 year later
Also there is not one witness statement claiming the children went into the bakery with a man or was there a man waiting for them outside - maybe Phipps was at home sewing and Munro or Max McIntyre gave them a one pound note and said they will wait for them in the car :rolleyes:
Are you trans- shaming? All trans people are deviants? And therefore sex offenders?
FFS! As stated that was copied from 'the Satin man' website- and merely implies (to me anyway) that Phipps liked to cross dress and socialise with like minded male friends. Are you implying that all sex offenders are murderers?
As a note - the use of statement analysis is only a guide not evidence . I have used it myself to dig deeper into peoples statements but I wont use it as my primary focus
The profiler in question is Steve Van Aperen widely known as the human lie detector, a former Victorian cop who has helped solve many cases in Australia and also worked with the FBI several times and clearly claimed Haydon was telling the truth BUT he was holding back, he knew much more.
Mullins and co - and you by extension or are 1 of these 2 - have built a tissue house.
I have been merely pointing out the fact Phipps is a far more likely suspect than claims made 40 odd years after those kids vanished and their parents lived a daily life of hell that bodies were seen in a car boot (or in a house or in a garage depending on which version is being told) and Munro and Max McIntyre did it (seems Max also murdered Louise Bell, Richard Kelvin and hundreds of others according to a couple of his own children who had memory recall therapy) Me? Being a extension of Mullins and Co? Does that go for every person who mentions Harry Phipps or are you merely having a go at me for posting? The only connection I have of sorts with 'Mullins' would be the fact Steve Van Aperen is a friend of mine.
And yes,I do agree with your last comment - it DOES need more, a lot more.
I once Liked Philpps for the BC abductions. A few things swayed me from that theory.
I think he would have been easily recognised by the locals.
If he was bad as they say, he would have been associated with loitering around the change rooms etc. Also attempted grooming of some kind
Im not sure the residents made any observations of that nature about him.

Lastly, Hayden made the claim they were shot, he heard four shots. This he stated in his interview with the researcher.
Although the researcher appears to prompt him in the interview.
Four shots rang out in suburban Glenelg and there's no police reports or mentions of shots fired??
The Phipps theory is all to convenient for my liking.
 

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I once Liked Philpps for the BC abductions. A few things swayed me from that theory.
I think he would have been easily recognised by the locals.
If he was bad as they say, he would have been associated with loitering around the change rooms etc. Also attempted grooming of some kind
Im not sure the residents made any observations of that nature about him.

Lastly, Hayden made the claim they were shot, he heard four shots. This he stated in his interview with the researcher.
Although the researcher appears to prompt him in the interview.
Four shots rang out in suburban Glenelg and there's no police reports or mentions of shots fired??
The Phipps theory is all to convenient for my liking.
Yes, it is very convenient putting Phipps in the frame for it but compared to all other 'suspects' he does seem to stand out as the most likely, whoever it was must have been a local and groomed the kids over the many days they went to the beach until he had their trust and friendship 100%...I even wondered if Phipps had forced Haydon to do the grooming and that was who Arrna meant was Jane's 'boyfriend at the beach' but he would have been too young. I don't think the same person took the oval girls because they were not groomed, that was a hasty at this moment abduction, very similar to Derick Percy's demeanor and audacity but of course Percy was in jail by then.one thing I do know is that I would like to see laws changed so these pedophile pieces of vermin were sent to research labs and replaced the poor animals currently used for research (a win win I reckon, frees the animals and uses two legged animals for drug research which is supposed to be eventually for humans....I wonder if a petition was made would anyone sign it)
 

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I don't know why there are outstanding cold case murders in South Australia, I mean didn't a couple of disgruntled siblings claim their father is responsible for hundreds of SA murders? Conspiracies', sacrifices, sinkholes and wells, hidden caves and tunnels, in fact I think Rachel is writing a book "Rachel and the cave of a thousand skulls" :p
I feel for the police who have to put up with all this rubbish that has been put out there. What the siblings don’t seem to understand is police have looked into there claims but there is no evidence that these things ever happened. As for the house at macklin street it has been looked at by police and again no evidence.
 

charlie20

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Who do you think was responsible for abducting the kids, Charlie?"
i will not name that person in a public forum, only people whose only objective is to write, promote, and sell books do that, the satin man disguised phipps as "hank" and had it remained that way, well, all may still be well, but no, mullins and co have to name him publicly, go to media, enlist useful idiot politicians, and behave in a totally arrogant fashion for the past 7 years, raising public and family and police hopes, shutting down or blocking anyone who questions them, and then have the temerity to suggest phipps also did adelaide oval, it makes my blood boil, again - HOW did phipps do adelaide oval? police believe its the same man, the ages match up, i believe its the same man, and its not phipps ...
 

charlie20

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adelaide is a small place, relatively speaking, and certainly between the 60s and 90s it was a lot smaller than it is now, for decades we have heard about "the family" and this group of felons have long been associated with at least 5 brutal murders of young men/boys in the 70s and 80s, we have someone in jail for some, perhaps all, of those crimes, he wont speak out, so it remains unclear who else was involved, we only know bits and pieces of info, initials, suburbs/parts of town, various pick up places and places where bodies were found, but i believe there is a link here, to think that crimes such as the beaumont abduction in the 60s, the oval abduction in the 70s, the family murders, louise bell and michael black, and several other lesser known cases throughout those years, couldve all been done by entirely different people is, imo, perhaps not logical
 

charlie20

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I'm merely stating the obvious - Harry Phipps was a deviant pedophile who frequented the beach as he lived only up the road and most likely befriended the kids on one of their many previous trips to that beach during those summer holidays. I never said he abducted the Adelaide oval kids as well, don't think he did that at all. Doing those digs at the Castalloy factory was a bit bizarre seeing as many areas are now concrete car parks or have been built over and sadly I don't think those 3 little kids are ever going to be found - they could have been put into the large furnace the factory used for it's manufacturing :disrelieved: It is obvious they were taken by someone they knew and had trust in.
they will be found tues, phipps' fetishes and address do not a case make, mullins has "teased" the idea that he also took the oval girls, this infuriated me as my calls for clarification were met only with talking over, and then blocking, this was on facebook, if you cant win an argument - block the person out, says it all i reckon ... suzie ratcliffe herself used to be very hot against people writing books on these tragedies, michael madigan is another offender in this regard, as for bryan sadly being led up the garden path by several people, that also has resulted in names being bandied about which only stir people up and fuel beliefs that sapol are crooked because they wont dig a well, or do another castalloy dig, or whatever
 

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adelaide is a small place, relatively speaking, and certainly between the 60s and 90s it was a lot smaller than it is now, for decades we have heard about "the family" and this group of felons have long been associated with at least 5 brutal murders of young men/boys in the 70s and 80s, we have someone in jail for some, perhaps all, of those crimes, he wont speak out, so it remains unclear who else was involved, we only know bits and pieces of info, initials, suburbs/parts of town, various pick up places and places where bodies were found, but i believe there is a link here, to think that crimes such as the beaumont abduction in the 60s, the oval abduction in the 70s, the family murders, louise bell and michael black, and several other lesser known cases throughout those years, couldve all been done by entirely different people is, imo, perhaps not logical
To put your observation back at you, is there a logical reason to link all of them or any of them considering what we know?

Dieter Pfennig was arrested and charged with Michael Black's murder. Decades later he was forensically linked to Louise Bell's abduction (and by logical extension her murder). There's an indisputable scientific link. So we know who committed those crimes.

Bevan von Einem was forensically linked to Richard Kelvin's murder by carpet fibres from his home as well as black dyed hairs matching his. He's also a prime suspect in 4 unsolved murders of males aged 14 to 25. Other key suspects are Mr R (clock shop owner), Mr B (former male prostitute), Dr Stephen Woodards, numerous transsexuals and hairdresser Denis St Denis. But they main unifying feature is that overwhelmingly these were men who were into other men and whose victim type was teenagers and young adults. To me I see no reason to believe they deviated from that victim type.

Linking the Beaumont Children and Adelaide Oval is a possibility. Those crimes involved victims of similar ages and apart from Grant Beaumont were all girls. That's the strongest case for a link. However, those victims are so different from Pfennig's and The Family's that I can't see anyone involved in either of those crimes having abducted young children
 

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but i believe there is a link here, to think that crimes such as the beaumont abduction in the 60s, the oval abduction in the 70s, the family murders, louise bell and michael black, and several other lesser known cases throughout those years, couldve all been done by entirely different people is, imo, perhaps not logical
At least you managed to partly answer my question from the other thread - at least obscurely

I understand your reluctance to name names or at least a name - but the only ''family'' that fits the above is Stanley Hart - scion of the Marshall family - another person accused by family members of abuse and large scale murder

But you speak of logic - yet it is entirely logical the murders could have been done by different people - as noted there are people forensically linked to 3 murders. Unless you are willing to step things out - all it is is a whisper in the wind and has no substance

adelaide is a small place, relatively speaking, and certainly between the 60s and 90s it was a lot smaller than it is now,
I have mused on this exact same point the last few days

If asked to list suspects for the Beaumont case - as an example - an interstate person makes ''logical'' sense based on this small town observation. ie in any small town everybody knows at least a snippet of something - that there is a relative mystery surrounding the Beaumont case is suggestive of an outsider

As noted Phipps becomes less and less likely just based on his ''recognition factor'' . Granted this can obscure a lot of things but not 3 kids with him the day 3 go missing

Take out the Pound note (from a year later) and the Phipps house of cards crumbles and all you are left is a grubby accusation based on 'deviancy'
 

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