Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[Kurve]

Of interest
- MEDIA
- Adelaide Oval Abductions - Anthony Munro
- Derek Percy - SA Mullighan Inquiry
- Somerton Man - The Family Murders
- ITNJ

 

[Kurve]

But I googled this Max McIntyre bloke. Do people believe him when he says he knows who killed the kids or that he witnessed his son in bed with the Monroe guy or was he just full of sh*t ?

Yeah I think he did find Andrew in bed with Munro and I haven't seen that disputed anywhere, I think Andrew was groomed by paedophile Munro from a fairly young age and he continued to stay in touch with Andrew for a long time. Just my opinion but I saw nothing in the heavily edited video of Max McIntyre to indicate he really did know who killed the Beaumont children.

If he did know and it was truthful, why would he say so when they're apparently buried in his sinkhole?

 

[johnymac1]

Can’t be bothered reading back through this thread as it seems to be more focussed on attacking journos rather than on what happens to the kids.

But I googled this Max McIntyre bloke. Do people believe him when he says he knows who killed the kids or that he witnessed his son in bed with the Monroe guy or was he just full of sh*t ?

something you will have to decide for yourself.
keeping in mind, there are two other families offering up their dads/grandads in the same way.
each account has a journo cheering for that particular case.
all these different suspects cant be involved, so two or more must be dud claims.
most of us writing in here in big footy, have alternate theories and rule out the other theories due to the lack of evidence

 

[Malibu#27]

something you will have to decide for yourself.
keeping in mind, there are two other families offering up their dads/grandads in the same way.
each account has a journo cheering for that particular case.
all these different suspects cant be involved, so two or more must be dud claims.
most of us writing in here in big footy, have alternate theories and rule out the other theories due to the lack of evidence

I think I’ve formed a few opinions based on what he says in the interviews, regardless of whether he’s being honest or not.

 

[Kurve]

There has been something nagging at me a bit, it's in part 2 of Bryan Littlely's recent challenge. I'll highlight it.

I'm reading it that Max McIntyre had a big hand in getting Tony Munro back to Australia to face charges of and in getting a conviction for sexually abusing Andrew. They must have all been working together at some stage and then it all went bad? Or am I reading it wrong?


BEAUMONT LEAD PART 2
Max McIntyre sparked the conviction of Tony Munro when he told me in the first words of our first meeting "I know a lot about the Beaumont killings" and pointed to Munro as the culprit. Munro, a Glenelg Scout leader, was convicted of violently raping Max's son a little over a month before the Beaumont kids disappeared.
Max's will called on his nephew, former Lib leader, turned Labor Minister, Martin Hamilton-Smith, to destroy all his records.
Max had written repeatedly to SAPOL about cold case crimes over many years. He even told them he'd met with slain NCA officer Geoffrey Bowen just weeks before his murder to discuss phone tapping and crimes in SA.
Max, a self-confessed big Labor union man when with Telecom, claimed to have been a phone tapper for SAPOL and "the police diver trainer". Max claimed to be the best diver in SA.
In the days immediately after Max's death, fires burned across his property at Stansbury.

Max's "research" should be provided to police. His assistance to get Munro convicted after 50 years of flying under the radar as SAPOL Detective David Sheridan described as "one of the most notorious pedophiles in SA" cannot be underestimated.

Friends, if you feel there's benefit in investigators having full access to this material, your sharing and comments on this post could play a part in bringing that material out from behind closed doors.

 

[GreyCrow]

There has been something nagging at me a bit, it's in part 2 of Bryan Littlely's recent challenge. I'll highlight it.

I'm reading it that Max McIntyre had a big hand in getting Tony Munro back to Australia to face charges of and in getting a conviction for sexually abusing Andrew. They must have all been working together at some stage and then it all went bad? Or am I reading it wrong?


BEAUMONT LEAD PART 2
Max McIntyre sparked the conviction of Tony Munro when he told me in the first words of our first meeting "I know a lot about the Beaumont killings" and pointed to Munro as the culprit. Munro, a Glenelg Scout leader, was convicted of violently raping Max's son a little over a month before the Beaumont kids disappeared.
Max's will called on his nephew, former Lib leader, turned Labor Minister, Martin Hamilton-Smith, to destroy all his records.
Max had written repeatedly to SAPOL about cold case crimes over many years. He even told them he'd met with slain NCA officer Geoffrey Bowen just weeks before his murder to discuss phone tapping and crimes in SA.
Max, a self-confessed big Labor union man when with Telecom, claimed to have been a phone tapper for SAPOL and "the police diver trainer". Max claimed to be the best diver in SA.
In the days immediately after Max's death, fires burned across his property at Stansbury.

Max's "research" should be provided to police. His assistance to get Munro convicted after 50 years of flying under the radar as SAPOL Detective David Sheridan described as "one of the most notorious pedophiles in SA" cannot be underestimated.

Friends, if you feel there's benefit in investigators having full access to this material, your sharing and comments on this post could play a part in bringing that material out from behind closed doors.

Reads like a James Ellroy novel

Yet Detective Sheridan has 1 conviction to go by

*and please Bryan oh please edit your stuff

was convicted of violently raping Max's son a little over a month before the Beaumont kids disappeared.

He wasnt - he was convicted 50 years after they went missing

 

[anquer]

THE SUN
Thursday, 10th February 1966

RAY KELLY ON THE JOB FOR 'SUN'

[excerpts]

Former Detective-Inspector Ray Kelly who retired in a blaze of glory earlier this month has joined the staff of "The Sun."

As the first assignment in his new role, Mr Kelly today flew to Adelaide to discuss with South Australian C.I.B. detectives the case of the three missing Beaumont children.

His first report in "The Sun" will come from Adelaide.

[Note: During his police service, Kelly was known to leak police stories to rival Sydney newspaper, Daily Mirror.]

 

[anquer]

THE SUN
Friday, 11th February 1966

KELLY’S SECRET PLAN
From Ray Kelly,
Formerly Of The C.I.B.

[excerpts]

My early investigation makes me think this abduction is a local crime.

My suggestion to the excellent Homicide team already on the case will be to conduct a massive house-to-house search along the streets the children may have walked.

I have another idea to solve this crime, based on many years of experience with all types of criminality in Sydney.

But, at this moment, I cannot write the details of my proposal because it may alert the guilty person.

[Note: Boxed article gloating this scoop over rival Sydney tabloid, Daily Mirror.]
[Note: Kelly returned to Sydney this same day after Adelaide police realised he was sponsored by The Sun newspaper.]

 

[anquer]

THE SUN
Saturday, 12th February 1966

KELLY HUNTS SUSPECT
From Peter Michelmore

[excerpts]

ADELAIDE, Saturday. Ray Kelly today began a house-to-house search in suburban Somerton for "the man with the crazy walk."

But his early inquiries today indicated that the man was not a local and must have been a visitor to the area.

Miss Gregory said she saw a man with a funny walk with the children about 3 o’clock on the day they disappeared.

She had gone to the police with this information as soon as their search for the children started, but they had not taken her seriously.

Kelly expects to interview the [Beaumont] parents this weekend to see if they know the man with the peculiar gait.

[Note: Kelly never did interview the Beaumont parents because he returned to Sydney the previous day after Adelaide police realised he was sponsored by The Sun newspaper.]
[Note: This article contains a revised description of the suspect which was released by SA police to the public at the time.]
[Note: The 3PM witness account by Miss Gregory in this article circulated briefly only in Sydney press at the time. Her witness account resurfaced, decades later, in a dedicated book by Michael Madigan after SA police released backlog on the Beaumont Children case to the public.]

 

[anquer]

THE SUN-HERALD
Sunday, 13th February 1966
(page 2)

'MAN WITH CRAZY WALK': CLUE IN SEARCH

[excerpts]

ADELAIDE, Saturday. Former ace Sydney detective Mr Ray Kelly is organising a widespread hunt for "The Man With The Crazy Walk."

Mr Kelly is conducting virtually a one-man investigation to find the children, dead or alive.

He has advanced the search more in his two days in Adelaide than local police have done in the previous 15 days.

After a local newspaper ran a description of Mr Kelly’s suspect, the police received many telephone calls from people who wanted to give fresh information.

But this new evidence was not made available to Mr Kelly.

It will be kept on record sheet and not acted upon until after the weekend.

Mr Kelly has praised the work of local detectives, many of whom are friends, but he seemed concerned at their apparently casual search for the Beaumont children.

"Not Stunt"

Mr Kelly tonight indignantly denied a "Sunday Mirror" suggestion that his investigation in Adelaide was "just a newspaper stunt."

[Note: The above article has been digitised and is available online to State Library NSW card holders.]

 

[anquer]

The above 4x posts... how Sydney press got a major crime clue buried for decades.

 

[Deni]

Ivé completely dismissed the 3 siblings stories as pure vengance on their part towards their father and other siblings who took over the properties when the father passed away.
Ivé researched them for a few years now and have found so many inconsistancies in their stories, they may forget what they said 3 or 4 years ago, but I haven't, I remember things word for word nearly, and the changes in their stories, barr one of them, are outstanding.
Bringing the new witness into it was their final downfall. It's all written online in blogs, YouTube, Facebook, and any other social media site they could post in.
The infamous petition, started 4 years ago if memory serves, is a real eye opener, it's been updated over 20 times but each time the story changes a little, the latest changes are nothing like the original story as told by the 2 siblings. The 3rd sibling has intergrated themselves into the story as well even though they weren't born until 7 years later!!
But when is it going to be given to S.A.P.O.L. or whoever needs to see it?
As it is now it needs scrapping and starting again..

I find it a real pity that more of the early witness accounts weren't taken seriously, there were so many reports of people seeing the children that just maybe one of those reports was the one to crack the case, but 50+ years down the track people have either passed away or have forgotten.
So in my opinion, the case could have been solved within months if they had the man power to get out there and go through every single report!!

 

[johnymac1]

If we look back at every serial killer. Nearly all hid what they were doing from their immediate family.

The Yorkshire Ripper, EAR (original night stalker), Bundy and many more. Not one of their families came forward and said my “Dad is a killer” So we can apply the same thinking for the Beaumont abduction. The family of the BC offender didn’t know what their dad did. More than likely the BC offender hadn’t any kids at that stage too, or they were too young?
For me, its incredible that, any offspring would dob their Dad in. statistics just don’t support this way of outing an offender.
I would image if it was known by the son or daughter, it would stay their “families little secret”

I still feel, although he was a first time offender. he was already working close to children. also may of offended in different ways

 

[johnymac1]

I think I’ve formed a few opinions based on what he says in the interviews, regardless of whether he’s being honest or not.

so what do you come up with?

 

[Deni]

so what do you come up with?

I'd be interested in that too Johny!!

 

[Deni]

Friends, if you feel there's benefit in investigators having full access to this material, your sharing and comments on this post could play a part in bringing that material out from behind closed doors.

There is a Facebook page run by Stuart Mullins from the Satin Man book fame.
He is now writing another book about the Beaumonts called "Taken" with Bill Hayes..

 

[Deni]

If we look back at every serial killer. Nearly all hid what they were doing from their immediate family.

You're right, John Wayne Gacy comes to mind as does Gary Ridgway, the green river killer, their families were completely in the dark!!
I blame John Gacy for my fear of clowns lol..

 

[Deni]

was convicted of violently raping Max's son a little over a month before the Beaumont kids disappeared.

He wasnt - he was convicted 50 years after they went missing

That's what pricked my eyes open, how could he get that sentence so wrong. Someone who claims he's
right up there and has solved the case, if only people would listen, and he comes out with a clanger like that.
It's laughable LOL

 

[Punk Rooster 16]

I'm at the 140 page mark (or thereabouts), so I've earned the right to comment.
I feel the biggest mistake in the whole BC case, is trying to pin it to one man- hence the conflicting descriptions on the day of the disappearance, and the boldness of some people in their role (ie speaking to witnesses).
After reading the material here, I'm of the opinion that many people played a role, and that the names mentioned here were involved in varying degrees- I wouldn't exclude anyone. I would also allow for some other names not mentioned, to be added.
It (the abduction) appears to be similar to a heist- planned and executed. Munro, M McIntyre, Phipps have been connected with each other, allow for a few on the peripheral, and it's easy to see how different people would play different roles.
Another issue I have is the assessment of those involved- this is a subculture, people meet and get to know each other, some build strong relationships, others take a dislike to another's personality and have little to do with them. Doesn't mean they won't help each other, or look out for each other, as they are on the same "team". So saying x wasn't into boys, y wasn't into girls, is no way to exclude them (I do tend to exclude BSVE, as he was a homosexual rapist, rather than a pedo).

One fact I haven't seen adressed- was there any confirmation of the BC eating and drinking in public?
It seems they vanished into thin air once they left Wenzels.

 

[Kurve]

I feel the biggest mistake in the whole BC case, is trying to pin it to one man- hence the conflicting descriptions on the day of the disappearance, and the boldness of some people in their role (ie speaking to witnesses).
After reading the material here, I'm of the opinion that many people played a role, and that the names mentioned here were involved in varying degrees- I wouldn't exclude anyone. I would also allow for some other names not mentioned, to be added.
It (the abduction) appears to be similar to a heist- planned and executed. Munro, M McIntyre, Phipps have been connected with each other, allow for a few on the peripheral, and it's easy to see how different people would play different roles.
Another issue I have is the assessment of those involved- this is a subculture, people meet and get to know each other, some build strong relationships, others take a dislike to another's personality and have little to do with them. Doesn't mean they won't help each other, or look out for each other, as they are on the same "team". So saying x wasn't into boys, y wasn't into girls, is no way to exclude them (I do tend to exclude BSVE, as he was a homosexual rapist, rather than a pedo)

I don't think it was a group that took those kids. Why choose them to take when they came from a stable family home with the reasonable expectation that the police would be all over their disappearance, parents and a neighbourhood that would never give up looking for them when there were apparently hundreds of kids to choose from in government and church run institutions.

One fact I haven't seen adressed- was there any confirmation of the BC eating and drinking in public?
It seems they vanished into thin air once they left Wenzels.

This was raised earlier in the thread somewhere. That they weren't seen eating anything from that big order they placed at Wenzels but were spotted sitting on a bench chatting to someone apparently after they'd been to Wenzels is strange imo. I think the report of them going in to Wenzels with a one pound note is a red herring, it wasn't them.

 

[Punk Rooster 16]

We’ll never understand why- maybe the thrill of it? Maybe they were confident they could pull it off? Maybe they were bored of taking sanctioned kids? Maybe that emboldened them?
Phipps, and McIntyre (regardless of involvement, or lack of) were confident of their standing in the community, and unlikely to be seriously considered suspects- whether through corruption or not.
Maybe there was perverse pleasure in taking the children to a location (eg Yatina, or another location) where the privileged few (or many) could indulge, knowing that the manhunt would be in vain?

I think some of the discrediting of child witnesses is a little too harsh - not many could survive a traumatic process without making mistakes with recollections. You could ask 3 sober adults who witnessed an event (non-traumatic) and get three different versions. It’s only piecing the stories together, you can build a likely account of what happened.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

That's what pricked my eyes open, how could he get that sentence so wrong. Someone who claims he's
right up there and has solved the case, if only people would listen, and he comes out with a clanger like that.
It's laughable LOL

Huh, it clearly means he was convicted of the crime he had committed a month before the Beaumonts.
Thats not saying he was tried and convicted of it a month before, it means he was convicted 50yrs after the event that actually took place a month before the beaumont abduction.
I find it more unbelievable that someone would misinterpret that and run with it to be honest.

 

[GreyCrow]

Huh, it clearly means he was convicted of the crime he had committed a month before the Beaumonts.
Thats not saying he was tried and convicted of it a month before, it means he was convicted 50yrs after the event that actually took place a month before the beaumont abduction.
I find it more unbelievable that someone would misinterpret that and run with it to be honest.

It was worded badly

 

[PenfoldsFan]

It was worded badly

Im fairly sure most people would know whats being said.

 

[johnymac1]

BC thread has gone cold like the case. Come on SApol throw us a bone!

 

[Macka_321]

It’s highly likely this case will never be solved the lack of evidence and no bodies.