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Sorry for the late reply, life gets busy.His height, description doesn't match to what has been described in the BC case. 5'10 surfie looking man, most certainly does not describe Percy.
Height does match 5'10 to 6 ft and the photo below is a mugshot of him in 1969. Does he look his age, being 20 at the time? Police sketch of BC suspect for comparison.
"The suspect was described as in his 30s with light brown, short swept-back hair parted on the left side, a thin face and clean-shaven. He was suntanned and wearing blue bathers with a white stripe down the side.
Could it have been Percy? He was only 17 at the time but was sometimes mistaken for being older. His writings showed he planned to give food to the children he would kidnap before killing them. The Beaumonts were in the age group Percy fantasised about and they went missing from the beach, as did Yvonne Tuohy, Marianne Schmidt, Mary Sharrock, and Linda Stilwell."
One man, so many faces of evil
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They were comfortable around this person/s. Percy, without a doubt looked like a psychopath from very early on.
You mean like Ted Bundy, Edmund Kemper, ? What exactly does a psychopath look like?
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Percy was about opportunity. The BC case was pre-meditated. It's too organised, for Percy. We have descriptions from witnesses that suggests prior contact with the POI.
We have people saying they didn't look distressed, is there a reason they should be at that point? The suggestion is nothing more than an assumption.
I do not believe that the children would have felt 'safe' with him and would not have left with him.
Except they weren't just with him, there were people everywhere at the beach.
Not to mention Jane's new boyfriend...
If they did leave with Percy - we would have many more sightings from witnesses - such as 'I was on the tram with these children, I saw them on a bus...' we have no confirmed sightings from witnesses other than what happened at the beach/bakery etc'.
We do and they didn't have to leave with him, just meet up somewhere else, to give him his meat pie perhaps?
"The police also talked to a local bakery employee familiar with the children as they had visited the shop many times before. She said that on the day of the disappearance, the trio came to the shop and bought a meat pie and some other pastries. The first peculiar detail was that they had never purchased a meat pie before, and when she asked them about it, they replied that it’s “a pie for the man.” The second anomaly was that they paid with a £1 note. However, their mother had only given them a few coins. This transaction led investigators to believe the children obtained the money from the man allegedly with them.
Disappearance of the Beaumont Children - Historic Mysteries
On 26 January 1966, the three Beaumont children went to the beach. Their disappearance is one of Australia's most famous unsolved cases.www.historicmysteries.com
"The last confirmed sighting of Beaumont children was around 3 pm. They were seen walking alone, away from the beach, to their home. A postman, who knew the children well, told the they were happy and had stopped by to say hello. While police believed the postman’s claim, the authorities theorized the encounter happened before the noon, not 3 pm." (The postman also said it may have been mid morning)
There are other possible unconfirmed sightings also.
Percy also had an interest in Coprophilia, Urolagnia (Urophilia) & Cannibalism. Obviously, we do not know if any victims were subjected to this vile treatment by him.
You forgot to mention cross dressing and the Yvonne Tuohy Murder, I am not going to post the crime scene description here because it is disgustingly shocking (Coprophilia) but you can read about it here in the excerpts from the book.
Lambs To The Slaughter by Debi Marshall
Inside the depraved mind of child killer, Derek Ernest Percy.www.penguin.com.au
The only common denominator in this case and others - is the beach. That is it.
No, the description matches, he has been placed in Adelaide by his brother, a family friend and himself. The ages of the children match his preferences also.
If Percy is responsible, where in an unfamiliar town to him would he take them?
Unfamiliar?, the family went to sailing regatas all over the country, are you assuming he had not been to Adelaide before, specifically the Glenelg area?
An abandoned house perhaps?
"Around nine months after the mysterious disappearance, a woman told the police that on the same night as the tragic event, she saw two girls and one boy accompanied by a man entering an abandoned house in the neighborhood. She added that later she saw the boy walking by himself. However, the man caught up with him and took him back. They had left by the next morning, and she had not seen them again. It is unclear why she waited such a significant amount of time before mentioning the incident. Due to her delay in reporting, the police never attempted to search the house."
Disappearance of the Beaumont Children - Historic Mysteries
On 26 January 1966, the three Beaumont children went to the beach. Their disappearance is one of Australia's most famous unsolved cases.
Reading this will give insight into how children walk away with unknown strangers, and other aspects of Derek Percy.
For people looking towards Percy, I do not believe Percy is the POI. I believe police had backtracked through his movements thoroughly and have clearly stated that he is not a POI in the BC case. I have been told the reason that is, is because they backtracked thoroughly.
Have you got a link to this information?
www.historicmysteries.com
www.historicmysteries.com
Thank you.
This is in relation to the Wood Royal Commission. The report needs to be dropped on this too. There is more to the reports other than just a list of Recommendations!
Yeah?
Sorry I had a hard time trying understand all that? It all became just very confusing?Sorry for the late reply, life gets busy.
His height, description doesn't match to what has been described in the BC case. 5'10 surfie looking man, most certainly does not describe Percy.
Height does match 5'10 to 6 ft and the photo below is a mugshot of him in 1969. Does he look his age, being 20 at the time? Police sketch of BC suspect for comparison.
"The suspect was described as in his 30s with light brown, short swept-back hair parted on the left side, a thin face and clean-shaven. He was suntanned and wearing blue bathers with a white stripe down the side.
Could it have been Percy? He was only 17 at the time but was sometimes mistaken for being older.
- In my opinion of what a 'surfie type' is - it is not Percy. I spent a lot of time hanging out with surfies in my youth and Percy would not have been considered to be a surfie. Descriptions of Percy before and after this case by witnesses, had the police looking for a 'teenager', not of a man described as "The suspect..........". The above description from the BC witness bank, were made by older local people who would have a better 'age gauge' than a younger person, my opinion.
So if he's described as a 'teenager' or 'older boy' from one year to the next, how in the middle does he jump to looking like a man 20-30's?
It is in my opinion that Percy does not match the description in this case.
They were comfortable around this person/s. Percy, without a doubt looked like a psychopath from very early on.
You mean like Ted Bundy, Edmund Kemper, ? What exactly does a psychopath look like?
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- I am sure you have researched Psychopaths and how many sub-categories exist so to ask what a psychopath looks like is the same as asking what does a paedophile look like? The answer is the same - they look like you and I - normal. There is no definitive answer to that question. Majority of people tend to have a 'feeling' about people. Ed and Ted - you would walk home with - Percy - I would not, he looked 'weird' acted weird, kind of makes him weird.
Percy was about opportunity. The BC case was pre-meditated. It's too organised, for Percy. We have descriptions from witnesses that suggests prior contact with the POI.
We have people saying they didn't look distressed, is there a reason they should be at that point? The suggestion is nothing more than an assumption.
- And I make the assumption based on facts I know. The BC perp had groomed them prior to that day or the perp was known and trusted by the children or they may have been a trusted community figure, such as a police officer, postie etc. This makes this case Pre Meditated.
The only pre-meditation Percy did was to choose to look for a victim once he got leave from the Navy, or maybe he never intended to?
I do not believe that the children would have felt 'safe' with him and would not have left with him.
Except they weren't just with him, there were people everywhere at the beach.
Not to mention Jane's new boyfriend...
- Of course they were not alone at the beach, it was a bloody hot day, school holidays, it was jam packed early in the day. That is why there are witnesses. The mention of Jane's boyfriend suggests grooming, which doesn't happen in one or two interactions. According to witness statements, they appeared to know the person/s to some degree.
If they did leave with Percy - we would have many more sightings from witnesses - such as 'I was on the tram with these children, I saw them on a bus...' we have no confirmed sightings from witnesses other than what happened at the beach/bakery etc'.
We do and they didn't have to leave with him, just meet up somewhere else, to give him his meat pie perhaps?
"The police also talked to a local bakery employee familiar with the children as they had visited the shop many times before. She said that on the day of the disappearance, the trio came to the shop and bought a meat pie and some other pastries. The first peculiar detail was that they had never purchased a meat pie before, and when she asked them about it, they replied that it’s “a pie for the man.” The second anomaly was that they paid with a £1 note. However, their mother had only given them a few coins. This transaction led investigators to believe the children obtained the money from the man allegedly with them.
Disappearance of the Beaumont Children - Historic Mysteries
On 26 January 1966, the three Beaumont children went to the beach. Their disappearance is one of Australia's most famous unsolved cases.
- At the time Percy did not have a car nor a licence. My point is, there should be more confirmed sightings (and then more detailed descriptions about the poi) if public transport was used - in my opinion.
This meat pie thing really annoys me. There is an original newspaper article in the State Library which has an interview with Mr and Mrs Beaumont and Mrs Beaumont states that "Grant doesn't eat pasties and only eats pies". This is a statement made by the boys mother, I am fairly sure she would know. I have many questions about the said interaction at the Bakery with the lady. I do think they were there but I don't believe the interaction happened as it has been suggested. The only material evidence was the 1P note, which coincidently, was reported by the bakery lady.
"The last confirmed sighting of Beaumont children was around 3 pm. They were seen walking alone, away from the beach, to their home. A postman, who knew the children well, told the they were happy and had stopped by to say hello. While police believed the postman’s claim, the authorities theorized the encounter happened before the noon, not 3 pm." (The postman also said it may have been mid morning)
There are other possible unconfirmed sightings also.
- The postie was unfortunately was discounted as he could not recall if it was his morning run or his afternoon run where he saw the children. Grant said 'hey there's the postie' and waved and he waved back. I have never read they engaged into a conversation on that day.
Percy also had an interest in Coprophilia, Urolagnia (Urophilia) & Cannibalism. Obviously, we do not know if any victims were subjected to this vile treatment by him.
You forgot to mention cross dressing and the Yvonne Tuohy Murder, I am not going to post the crime scene description here because it is disgustingly shocking (Coprophilia) but you can read about it here in the excerpts from the book.
Lambs To The Slaughter by Debi Marshall
Inside the depraved mind of child killer, Derek Ernest Percy.
- My apologies I left a couple of his demented fetishes off the list. Yes I am aware of the book and aware of the details, also when he was seen at the local swim hole upon exiting the water.
The only common denominator in this case and others - is the beach. That is it.
No, the description matches, he has been placed in Adelaide by his brother, a family friend and himself. The ages of the children match his preferences also.
- My opinion is that Percy doesn't fit the surfie description or much else really. No-one can remember when this Adelaide trip happened or even how he got there. We have a neighbour recalling he once flew to Adelaide, yet his brother said they drove, so if he's been there once by everyone's accounts, how did he get there, bus, plane, train or automobile??
Percy - age preference ? What is his age preference? Suspected victims ages ranged from 3 to 15 and there was no gender preference either. It was just about what opportunities he grabbed onto.
If Percy is responsible, where in an unfamiliar town to him would he take them?
Unfamiliar?, the family went to sailing regatas all over the country, are you assuming he had not been to Adelaide before, specifically the Glenelg area?
- Yes they did attend Regatta's. Interestingly 4th of Dec 1966 the Henley Beach Yacht Club was formally opened. Interestingly again, the Henley Beach Club colours are blue and a white stipe.
I can only find reference to a Regatta held 28th Dec 65 - 11th Jan 66 at Glenelg and from memory one held down Goolwa. I'm trying to get dates and locations of Regattas for that 65/66 season. In 1965 the school term ended 17th Dec. So a caravan trip to Adelaide could have easily happened. 2 weeks of Regatta-ing and they stay for another 2 weeks just to soak up the atmosphere? Seems to be a very long Regatta holiday.
There has only been mention of one trip to Adelaide by him, his brother, neighbour and mother so I have assumed they had been there once, given he was still living at home and holidaying with his family, I think its a fair assumption to make, considering no-one has ever said they went a few times or often, but only once.
An abandoned house perhaps?
"Around nine months after the mysterious disappearance, a woman told the police that on the same night as the tragic event, she saw two girls and one boy accompanied by a man entering an abandoned house in the neighborhood. She added that later she saw the boy walking by himself. However, the man caught up with him and took him back. They had left by the next morning, and she had not seen them again. It is unclear why she waited such a significant amount of time before mentioning the incident. Due to her delay in reporting, the police never attempted to search the house."
Disappearance of the Beaumont Children - Historic Mysteries
On 26 January 1966, the three Beaumont children went to the beach. Their disappearance is one of Australia's most famous unsolved cases.
- The abandoned house report. I am hesitant about this report. It's mind boggling to me, why it took this lady so long to come forward with what she had witnessed. This was a lady who lived in the neighbourhood and this case was widely spoken about. She would have seen people searching for the children (draining the Pat), the numerous search lines walking the beaches, reserves, drains, everywhere. So in the time she has watched all of the searching and more than likely put her two pounds worth into 'what happened' to them in local gossip, yet she never connected the two girls and one boy she saw as anything significant to report when they are looking for the missing 2 girls and 1 boy? Then to go back and add at a later stage about the boy and man? But you would also imagine abandoned buildings and houses would have been searched. Would have been very poor policing if they did not look into that. Perhaps it was eliminated by police?
Reading this will give insight into how children walk away with unknown strangers, and other aspects of Derek Percy.
- Yes I have read the report and still today it is easy for children to be lured away.
For people looking towards Percy, I do not believe Percy is the POI. I believe police had backtracked through his movements thoroughly and have clearly stated that he is not a POI in the BC case. I have been told the reason that is, is because they backtracked thoroughly.
Have you got a link to this information?
- I was working for a Government Department in 2019 and a colleague's cousin was part of the VicPol investigation team. It was put to me they have enough to know he wasn't in Adelaide on the 26th but lack the evidence to take him off the suspect list.
HmmSorry for the late reply, life gets busy.
His height, description doesn't match to what has been described in the BC case. 5'10 surfie looking man, most certainly does not describe Percy.
Height does match 5'10 to 6 ft and the photo below is a mugshot of him in 1969. Does he look his age, being 20 at the time? Police sketch of BC suspect for comparison.
"The suspect was described as in his 30s with light brown, short swept-back hair parted on the left side, a thin face and clean-shaven. He was suntanned and wearing blue bathers with a white stripe down the side.
Could it have been Percy? He was only 17 at the time but was sometimes mistaken for being older.
- In my opinion of what a 'surfie type' is - it is not Percy. I spent a lot of time hanging out with surfies in my youth and Percy would not have been considered to be a surfie. Descriptions of Percy before and after this case by witnesses, had the police looking for a 'teenager', not of a man described as "The suspect..........". The above description from the BC witness bank, were made by older local people who would have a better 'age gauge' than a younger person, my opinion.
So if he's described as a 'teenager' or 'older boy' from one year to the next, how in the middle does he jump to looking like a man 20-30's?
It is in my opinion that Percy does not match the description in this case.
They were comfortable around this person/s. Percy, without a doubt looked like a psychopath from very early on.
You mean like Ted Bundy, Edmund Kemper, ? What exactly does a psychopath look like?
10 'Charming' Serial Killers And Murderers
Serial killers aren't always monstrous, gnarled freaks with bushy mustaches, bulging guts and pock-marked skin. Many infamous murderers and killers have been looked at as handsome, dapper, and even charming. It's that charm and beauty that helps them get close to their victims, and sometimes...
- I am sure you have researched Psychopaths and how many sub-categories exist so to ask what a psychopath looks like is the same as asking what does a paedophile look like? The answer is the same - they look like you and I - normal. There is no definitive answer to that question. Majority of people tend to have a 'feeling' about people. Ed and Ted - you would walk home with - Percy - I would not, he looked 'weird' acted weird, kind of makes him weird.
Percy was about opportunity. The BC case was pre-meditated. It's too organised, for Percy. We have descriptions from witnesses that suggests prior contact with the POI.
We have people saying they didn't look distressed, is there a reason they should be at that point? The suggestion is nothing more than an assumption.
- And I make the assumption based on facts I know. The BC perp had groomed them prior to that day or the perp was known and trusted by the children or they may have been a trusted community figure, such as a police officer, postie etc. This makes this case Pre Meditated.
The only pre-meditation Percy did was to choose to look for a victim once he got leave from the Navy, or maybe he never intended to?
I do not believe that the children would have felt 'safe' with him and would not have left with him.
Except they weren't just with him, there were people everywhere at the beach.
Not to mention Jane's new boyfriend...
- Of course they were not alone at the beach, it was a bloody hot day, school holidays, it was jam packed early in the day. That is why there are witnesses. The mention of Jane's boyfriend suggests grooming, which doesn't happen in one or two interactions. According to witness statements, they appeared to know the person/s to some degree.
If they did leave with Percy - we would have many more sightings from witnesses - such as 'I was on the tram with these children, I saw them on a bus...' we have no confirmed sightings from witnesses other than what happened at the beach/bakery etc'.
We do and they didn't have to leave with him, just meet up somewhere else, to give him his meat pie perhaps?
"The police also talked to a local bakery employee familiar with the children as they had visited the shop many times before. She said that on the day of the disappearance, the trio came to the shop and bought a meat pie and some other pastries. The first peculiar detail was that they had never purchased a meat pie before, and when she asked them about it, they replied that it’s “a pie for the man.” The second anomaly was that they paid with a £1 note. However, their mother had only given them a few coins. This transaction led investigators to believe the children obtained the money from the man allegedly with them.
Disappearance of the Beaumont Children - Historic Mysteries
On 26 January 1966, the three Beaumont children went to the beach. Their disappearance is one of Australia's most famous unsolved cases.
- At the time Percy did not have a car nor a licence. My point is, there should be more confirmed sightings (and then more detailed descriptions about the poi) if public transport was used - in my opinion.
This meat pie thing really annoys me. There is an original newspaper article in the State Library which has an interview with Mr and Mrs Beaumont and Mrs Beaumont states that "Grant doesn't eat pasties and only eats pies". This is a statement made by the boys mother, I am fairly sure she would know. I have many questions about the said interaction at the Bakery with the lady. I do think they were there but I don't believe the interaction happened as it has been suggested. The only material evidence was the 1P note, which coincidently, was reported by the bakery lady.
"The last confirmed sighting of Beaumont children was around 3 pm. They were seen walking alone, away from the beach, to their home. A postman, who knew the children well, told the they were happy and had stopped by to say hello. While police believed the postman’s claim, the authorities theorized the encounter happened before the noon, not 3 pm." (The postman also said it may have been mid morning)
There are other possible unconfirmed sightings also.
- The postie was unfortunately was discounted as he could not recall if it was his morning run or his afternoon run where he saw the children. Grant said 'hey there's the postie' and waved and he waved back. I have never read they engaged into a conversation on that day.
Percy also had an interest in Coprophilia, Urolagnia (Urophilia) & Cannibalism. Obviously, we do not know if any victims were subjected to this vile treatment by him.
You forgot to mention cross dressing and the Yvonne Tuohy Murder, I am not going to post the crime scene description here because it is disgustingly shocking (Coprophilia) but you can read about it here in the excerpts from the book.
Lambs To The Slaughter by Debi Marshall
Inside the depraved mind of child killer, Derek Ernest Percy.
- My apologies I left a couple of his demented fetishes off the list. Yes I am aware of the book and aware of the details, also when he was seen at the local swim hole upon exiting the water.
The only common denominator in this case and others - is the beach. That is it.
No, the description matches, he has been placed in Adelaide by his brother, a family friend and himself. The ages of the children match his preferences also.
- My opinion is that Percy doesn't fit the surfie description or much else really. No-one can remember when this Adelaide trip happened or even how he got there. We have a neighbour recalling he once flew to Adelaide, yet his brother said they drove, so if he's been there once by everyone's accounts, how did he get there, bus, plane, train or automobile??
Percy - age preference ? What is his age preference? Suspected victims ages ranged from 3 to 15 and there was no gender preference either. It was just about what opportunities he grabbed onto.
If Percy is responsible, where in an unfamiliar town to him would he take them?
Unfamiliar?, the family went to sailing regatas all over the country, are you assuming he had not been to Adelaide before, specifically the Glenelg area?
- Yes they did attend Regatta's. Interestingly 4th of Dec 1966 the Henley Beach Yacht Club was formally opened. Interestingly again, the Henley Beach Club colours are blue and a white stipe.
I can only find reference to a Regatta held 28th Dec 65 - 11th Jan 66 at Glenelg and from memory one held down Goolwa. I'm trying to get dates and locations of Regattas for that 65/66 season. In 1965 the school term ended 17th Dec. So a caravan trip to Adelaide could have easily happened. 2 weeks of Regatta-ing and they stay for another 2 weeks just to soak up the atmosphere? Seems to be a very long Regatta holiday.
There has only been mention of one trip to Adelaide by him, his brother, neighbour and mother so I have assumed they had been there once, given he was still living at home and holidaying with his family, I think its a fair assumption to make, considering no-one has ever said they went a few times or often, but only once.
An abandoned house perhaps?
"Around nine months after the mysterious disappearance, a woman told the police that on the same night as the tragic event, she saw two girls and one boy accompanied by a man entering an abandoned house in the neighborhood. She added that later she saw the boy walking by himself. However, the man caught up with him and took him back. They had left by the next morning, and she had not seen them again. It is unclear why she waited such a significant amount of time before mentioning the incident. Due to her delay in reporting, the police never attempted to search the house."
Disappearance of the Beaumont Children - Historic Mysteries
On 26 January 1966, the three Beaumont children went to the beach. Their disappearance is one of Australia's most famous unsolved cases.
- The abandoned house report. I am hesitant about this report. It's mind boggling to me, why it took this lady so long to come forward with what she had witnessed. This was a lady who lived in the neighbourhood and this case was widely spoken about. She would have seen people searching for the children (draining the Pat), the numerous search lines walking the beaches, reserves, drains, everywhere. So in the time she has watched all of the searching and more than likely put her two pounds worth into 'what happened' to them in local gossip, yet she never connected the two girls and one boy she saw as anything significant to report when they are looking for the missing 2 girls and 1 boy? Then to go back and add at a later stage about the boy and man? But you would also imagine abandoned buildings and houses would have been searched. Would have been very poor policing if they did not look into that. Perhaps it was eliminated by police?
Reading this will give insight into how children walk away with unknown strangers, and other aspects of Derek Percy.
- Yes I have read the report and still today it is easy for children to be lured away.
For people looking towards Percy, I do not believe Percy is the POI. I believe police had backtracked through his movements thoroughly and have clearly stated that he is not a POI in the BC case. I have been told the reason that is, is because they backtracked thoroughly.
Have you got a link to this information?
- I was working for a Government Department in 2019 and a colleague's cousin was part of the VicPol investigation team. It was put to me they have enough to know he wasn't in Adelaide on the 26th but lack the evidence to take him off the suspect list.
‘My father, who knew all the Beaumont family very well, was taking a shortcut to beat Australia Day traffic, when he saw the children standing on the corner of Augusta and Durham Streets in Glenelg at 1.30pm,’ says Scott.
Can you give me his details, Deni?
What day did the bakery lady give her statement saying they’d been there?
Dropbearess, you being familiar with the area during this time .. if you were to try and put yourself in the offenders shoes, you didn’t have a car; where do you think you might go? Is there a particular direction which would of been perhaps a quiet area maybe?
There is a public shelter at the north end of the Glenelg Oval. its still open as a museum, every third sunday, I have never been down into it.
