Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[jason_recliner]

Near-Infrared (NIR); for the soil moisture and organic matter?
Shortwave Infrared (SWIR); for the mineralogical changes and salinity?

How would that work?

 

[newbie11]

How would that work?

Control groups and a lotttttttttttttttt of post-processing

 

[Redacted]

ICYMI
The Beaumont family tree had been updated since Jim's passing, so that the father's line is no longer private.

Jane Natare Beaumont

Genealogy profile for Jane Natare Beaumont

www.geni.com

 

[newbie11]

Sorry this is unrelated the Beaumont's case, but c'mon? Really?
We've gone from the straight line composite sketches in 1966 to the year 2024 with courtroom illustrations like this?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

what's the best book if someone was willing to stumble into the rabbit hole that is the Beaumonts? I borrowed Unmasking The Killer by Hayes/Mullins but I think I've seen a bunch of people say that one is barking up an iffy tree.

 

[Macka_321]

what's the best book if someone was willing to stumble into the rabbit hole that is the Beaumonts? I borrowed Unmasking The Killer by Hayes/Mullins but I think I've seen a bunch of people say that one is barking up an iffy tree.

Wouldn’t waste money on it! No way Phipps was responsible.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Wouldn’t waste money on it! No way Phipps was responsible.

yes, this is why I've shelved reading it (no money spent, I'm a pauper library person) until I can hear some more balanced or recommendable books. Are there any that present the multiple cases?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

what's the best book if someone was willing to stumble into the rabbit hole that is the Beaumonts? I borrowed Unmasking The Killer by Hayes/Mullins but I think I've seen a bunch of people say that one is barking up an iffy tree.

I reckon you're in the rabbit hole, not many better places, if any, to find multiple angles than this very forum.

 

[Macka_321]

Even major crime said they found it hard to believe some of the Phipps claims.

 

[Norwood1878]

Even major crime said they found it hard to believe some of the Phipps claims.

Which claims?

 

[DropBearess]

I'm one of the great chosen ones who has been blocked by the authors of the Phipps literature from commenting on anything they do. They will do this the moment anyone challenges their theories in all available media. Their ideas are nonsensical. It's sad to see how many people have swallowed this hook, line and sinker and believe the case is now solved.

 

[johnymac1]

I'm one of the great chosen ones who has been blocked by the authors of the Phipps literature from commenting on anything they do. They will do this the moment anyone challenges their theories in all available media. Their ideas are nonsensical. It's sad to see how many people have swallowed this hook, line and sinker and believe the case is now solved.

Me too blocked from their FB page. I haven't read either book.
I even ran the sons statements past a US Statement analysist. He was sceptical about how Hayden portrayed his father.

 

[Macka_321]

Me too blocked from their FB page. I haven't read either book.
I even ran the sons statements past a US Statement analysist. He was sceptical about how Hayden portrayed his father.

Haydn made this up I suspect as he didn’t get much from Harry’s estate when he passed away only my opinion. Satin man authors have been sucked in big time.

 

[newbie11]

I believe what happened with Haydn is that he likely constructed a false memory over time. Initially, he expressed uncertainty with statements like, "I always thought ... was involved," suggesting speculation rather than certainty. However, as time passed, his account evolved into a more detailed narrative, shifting to claims like "this happened, that happened." This gradual elaboration is a hallmark of false memory formation, where the brain fills in gaps with imagined details, often influenced by emotion, external suggestions, or repeated reflection

Human memory is highly malleable and susceptible to suggestion. If Haydn discussed his suspicions with others or was exposed to new information, it could have reinforced and reshaped his initial beliefs into a seemingly concrete memory. Emotional factors, such as the bitterness of being cut out of the estate, might have further influenced his perceptions and made the reconstructed memory feel real to him

It seems that some very overly enthusiastic individuals latched onto his story, and took off down the roller-coaster with it. The authors have been so desperately relentless in pushing this narrative, likely in an effort to sell a story and establish a name for themselves. Their validation may have further reinforced Haydn’s belief in his version of events, even if it lacked factual basis

 

[johnymac1]

Its all about the Victims. The survivors of abuse, stop and ask themselves. Could my attacker have abducted the BC?

With the BC offender, He's likely to offended in other ways. Mainly with assaults on family and friends.
It's important for victims to come forward and tell their story. So police can consider them as a POI.
I am suggesting Radan and West could be possible POI's for the BC, both are known and convicted offenders!

With the likes of Phipps and the McIntyres, there are other motivations in throwing their fathers under the bus.
If Munroe had a history of targeting girls, then I would possibly consider him a POI. For me he's not of interest!

 

[Macka_321]

Its all about the Victims. The survivors of abuse, stop and ask themselves. Could my attacker have abducted the BC?

With the BC offender, He's likely to offended in other ways. Mainly with assaults on family and friends.
It's important for victims to come forward and tell their story. So police can consider them as a POI.
I am suggesting Radan and West could be possible POI's for the BC, both are known and convicted offenders!

With the likes of Phipps and the McIntyres, there are other motivations in throwing their fathers under the bus.
If Munroe had a history of targeting girls, then I would possibly consider him a POI. For me he's not of interest!

Who said Jane was the target grant could have been we don’t know for sure.

 

[newbie11]

Girls may be perceived as easier to manipulate emotionally due to traditional gender role expectations, paedophiles sometimes use stereotypical "caretaker" behaviour to groom them... in the relevant context, the witnesses describe the suspect as having helped Jane to get dressed; so we could label that as a grooming behaviour potentially...

It's just speculation.. like these were 3 prepubescent kids, so maybe it was Grant, maybe it was the girls, maybe it was all 3.. it's not invalid to suggest that all 3 may have been intended targets, alot paedophiles do not strongly differentiate by gender, focusing instead on the child’s age, appearance, or perceived vulnerability ect

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Girls may be perceived as easier to manipulate emotionally due to traditional gender role expectations, paedophiles sometimes use stereotypical "caretaker" behaviour to groom them... in the relevant context, the witnesses describe the suspect as having helped Jane to get dressed; so we could label that as a grooming behaviour potentially...

It's just speculation.. like these were 3 prepubescent kids, so maybe it was Grant, maybe it was the girls, maybe it was all 3.. it's not invalid to suggest that all 3 may have been intended targets, alot paedophiles do not strongly differentiate by gender, focusing instead on the child’s age, appearance, or perceived vulnerability ect

Agreed.

I'm of the belief that in the case of the AO abduction, whoever committed it was a regular at games, knew the movements of children of other regulars and when presented with an opportunity to take a child that fitted some criteria, took it.
He wasn't interested in the older JR, only the younger KG who was with the group for the first time.
He was so fixated on taking a particular child that having another child there and fighting with him didnt put him off.

 

[newbie11]

Agreed.

I'm of the belief that in the case of the AO abduction, whoever committed it was a regular at games, knew the movements of children of other regulars and when presented with an opportunity to take a child that fitted some criteria, took it.
He wasn't interested in the older JR, only the younger KG who was with the group for the first time.
He was so fixated on taking a particular child that having another child there and fighting with him didnt put him off.

I always try to put myself in the suspects shoes; sometimes it helps reveal the hidden dynamics of their decision-making. If the primary target is a very young child, the presence of another child, while it might seem like a risk from the outside, it all actuality is not much of a deterrence. An adult is probably going to just assume that an 11 year old girl won't pose any real threat and that any resistance would be short-lived, especially if they're in a position to quickly overpower or distract both children. In their mind, the bigger challenge is probably how to simply get close enough to act without drawing attention

 

[Lyn]

Google is helpful, but searching the surface web only reveals about 25% of the entire web. DuckDuckGo is slightly better, but you still won’t find much valuable information using these methods. Search engines only show results that have been "tagged" by someone..

We're not seeking official government records; if we are talking any evidence in this context then it's going to be probably something that looks more like this... View attachment 2147893
A timesheet card ect^ ...anything that can verify him being there..

Have you contacted the Glenelg Sailing Club?

 

[Lyn]

Wouldn't have any clue..
However my sort of bigger question with that is; okay, you are someone who knows these kids personally, you know the family, these kids are friends with your son and you are positive that you know you saw "strapper person" with the kids on this day and now the kids are missing? If I'm in that position, if I'm being totally honest; I'm probably grabbing a few guys to take with me and then going straight to that person's house and kicking their door open if they aren't fast enough to answer it... then I'll walk them into the police station after that. There is no way that I'm going to just continue to quietly live out the rest of my life if I felt that the police hasn't investigated it ect ect .. < that doesn't make any sense to me, I am unable to comprehend that

Sorry for delayed reply. You are right of course. As the saying goes. If it doesn't make sense, then it's not true

 

[Lyn]

I always try to put myself in the suspects shoes; sometimes it helps reveal the hidden dynamics of their decision-making. If the primary target is a very young child, the presence of another child, while it might seem like a risk from the outside, it all actuality is not much of a deterrence. An adult is probably going to just assume that an 11 year old girl won't pose any real threat and that any resistance would be short-lived, especially if they're in a position to quickly overpower or distract both children. In their mind, the bigger challenge is probably how to simply get close enough to act without drawing attention

Exactly what I do. Of course, I have my own suspect and I know first hand how he would think and act. I can walk in his shoes and visualise each of his moves. In the Beaumont case, I think loss of control in his personal life, which lead to being humiliated by family; something he would get very angry about.
I really believe this was the catalyst to the abduction and murder of three innocent children - he had control!
My investigations have proved that the dates align.
I just need to get my police report in the correct sequence of events and evidence in place and give it my best shot. Then see if SAPOL will at least question my Poi, before he dies.

 

[Lyn]

I see that some Beaumont files have been released through freedom of information. I don't know how much they would cost. There may be information from witnesses that may not seem relevant to the police, but may relate to my poi.
Has anyone read them? Or have copies?

 

[Nemisis]

I see that some Beaumont files have been released through freedom of information. I don't know how much they would cost. There may be information from witnesses that may not seem relevant to the police, but may relate to my poi.
Has anyone read them? Or have copies?

Haven't heard about this. All I can remember is the police releasing a page regarding the timeline the children went missing.

 

[Lyn]

Haven't heard about this. All I can remember is the police releasing a page regarding the timeline the children went missing.

The South Australia Police (SAPOL) Freedom of Information (FOI) process can be used to access information related to the Beaumont children's case:

1. Upload a verified copy of the card to the online application
2. Alternatively, present the card and PD360 form at a police station
3. Pay any additional costs, such as for finding, sorting, and copying documents
4. Lodge the application at a police station or online
5. The application will be processed within 30 days

The Beaumont children, Jane (9), Arnna (7), and Grant (4), went missing from Glenelg Beach in Adelaide on Australia Day, 1966. The case has received worldwide attention and continues to be of interest.