Unsolved The Beaumont Children

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Coming hot on the heels of the Harry Phipps Satin Man allegations , that again had similarities, people should understand the skepticism towards claimants

The man, who for legal reasons cannot be identified, first told police late last year that, as a child, he not only saw Jane, Arnna and Grant Beaumont playing with three men at Glenelg Beach on January 26, 1966, but he later walked in on two of those same men as they abused the children.

He has claimed the children were taken to his family home and were abused and killed in his bedroom and that he himself narrowly escaped also being killed that day.
Hayden Phipps made these same allegations , and he cant be the witness as he is dead.

Does that make Hayden Phipps a liar or mistaken ?

Haydn was a schoolchild and had come home early from his part-time job. He was in a cubby out the backyard, having a sly smoke- he was about 14 in those days….He saw the three children come into the yard and speak to his father who that time was loading some stuff into a car. The children went inside the house with his (Haydn’s) father and were there for some short time. The father came out and continued to load stuff into his car and left. He (Haydn) then went inside the house and found the children not there and the front door was open.
 

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Coming hot on the heels of the Harry Phipps Satin Man allegations , that again had similarities, people should understand the skepticism towards claimants

Hayden Phipps made these same allegations , and he cant be the witness as he is dead.

Does that make Hayden Phipps a liar or mistaken ?

Haydn was a schoolchild and had come home early from his part-time job. He was in a cubby out the backyard, having a sly smoke- he was about 14 in those days….He saw the three children come into the yard and speak to his father who that time was loading some stuff into a car. The children went inside the house with his (Haydn’s) father and were there for some short time. The father came out and continued to load stuff into his car and left. He (Haydn) then went inside the house and found the children not there and the front door was open.
No it's not Hayden. I have reservations on the interviewer that interviewed Hayden especially with the gun information as there were leading questions pushing him for answers that the interviewer wanted. I'm curious that people who have been researching this case for years have got very narrow in their focus and can only see one answer to who killed the Beaumont children.

I believe the children were at the Phipp's house at around 12.15 pm that day. They had one pound to spend at the bakery and had six finger buns, five pasties, one pie and two large bottles of coca cola (police report on this thread). I think Hayden did mention others being at the house, but can't remember now. The children were only at the house a short amount of time and Hayden said his father loaded surf board covers (which he thought the children were in (and dead), into the back of the car .

It's more likely that the children were given drugged coca cola and were unconscious.

People have speculated that Phipps may have taken them to his factory cottages, but being in the middle of a normal work day I think they went to this house that the new witness is testifying he saw the children with three men. Was Phipps the third man?
 

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Well if you are only interested in Andrew's account of the Beaumont children you should know that his father banned him from going to the beach that day when Tony Munro came to pick him up and banned again when Max himself was picked up later after a phone call to go to the beach.

Andrew was also ordered to stay inside the house when a car arrived back at their house with the three children in the boot according to his two sisters who were asked to help Max clean the children up.

So he can tell you fk all about the Beaumont's compared to his sisters and hasn't tried. Did you read or listen to what he actually says?

He says he was taken to the McIntyre Stanbury property around two weeks later by Tony Munro and observed the well or sinkhole had been newly filled in. He was told by his father a flock of sheep had run in there and Max had covered them up with dirt.

So the only thing Andrew can tell you that relates to the Beaumont children is the story about three other children he picked up from orphanages. An outrageous claim I agree. However the best thing I believe Andrew has going for his is that he has been telling the truth and this is proved in Court. He has never been found not to be telling the truth.

This claim could be quickly proved or disproved by the Mulligan report information on Deaths of children in Institutions. Full stop. Do it.

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Found this interesting 31 Jan 1966 Canberra Times
I'm not interested in Andrew's account, i don't believe he's a credible witness. What he said in his own court case has nothing to do with the Beaumonts so why do you keep bringing it up? I'd bet nothing about the alleged three children being paraded around town as the Beaumonts and then being thrown off a cliff is in the Mulligan report, otherwise the truth about the Beaumonts would be with us now, because it's incredibly incriminating. As I say, I'd bet, but neither of us will be around to collect when it becomes public.

Let's please just focus on the disappearance of the Beaumonts in this topic and leave the rest for elsewhere.

EDIT: When I posted above that I was interested in Andrew's account I meant my interest here is only for the Beaumont children.
 
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Haydn Phipps was a drug addict who is dead too. I wasted money on that stupid book as I was hoping to get a better idea of who Harry Phipps was., The only main thing in that book were the two authors plugging their own previously written books & they should be ashamed of what they did & just how much damage they did with their worthless book
 

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Coming hot on the heels of the Harry Phipps Satin Man allegations , that again had similarities, people should understand the skepticism towards claimants

Hayden Phipps made these same allegations , and he cant be the witness as he is dead.

Does that make Hayden Phipps a liar or mistaken ?

Haydn was a schoolchild and had come home early from his part-time job. He was in a cubby out the backyard, having a sly smoke- he was about 14 in those days….He saw the three children come into the yard and speak to his father who that time was loading some stuff into a car. The children went inside the house with his (Haydn’s) father and were there for some short time. The father came out and continued to load stuff into his car and left. He (Haydn) then went inside the house and found the children not there and the front door was open.
I'd got Andrew M and Hayden P mixed up - I thought I'd heard that story before, ty.
 

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This man can not be identified for legal reasons and I'm appalled if anonymous posters are trying to find out his name to harass him as many other witness have been harassed. The two men he witnessed abusing the Beaumont's were said to be McIntyre and Munro.

As I understand the investigation has now confirmed the Woman's Police Branch report written on that night when they rescued him from the house.

Ball in your court SA Police.
well mattyb2607 , they have his report of being there & the witness has his own copy too. Proving he was really there
 

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I'm not interested in Andrew's account, i don't believe he's a credible witness. What he said in his own court case has nothing to do with the Beaumonts so why do you keep bringing it up? I'd bet nothing about the alleged three children being paraded around town as the Beaumonts and then being thrown off a cliff is in the Mulligan report, otherwise the truth about the Beaumonts would be with us now, because it's incredibly incriminating. As I say, I'd bet, but neither of us will be around to collect when it becomes public.

Let's please just focus on the disappearance of the Beaumonts in this topic and leave the rest for elsewhere.
Are you SA police? What he said in his court case was what the SA police refused to believe and refused to take statements on for many years. He has only told the truth. You have absolute no basis to say he isn't a credible witness, as a Court has proved he is.

Of course you will have read and listened to Andrew's statement as he clearly says where the orphan children were taken and thrown off the cliff.

I agree they are explosive claims he is making. Not only were the Beaumont children three from one family taken and murdered, but another three orphan children were as well on a seeming whim of Max McIntyre.

Mulligan report should be able to check his story as Mulligan went to great lengths to find record of all deaths of children in SA Institutions. This shouldn't be hard to prove or disprove if this information wasn't suppressed and it has everything to do with the Beaumont's, Max McIntyre and why he was protected for life by the SA police.
 

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how was it said about BRE?... how much is a phone tapper worth?. Max was well before his time. Seems those skills come in handy nomatterthe year
 

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Actually the claims Andrew made that SA police ignored were proved to be true in Court and he was judge to be an hones and competent witness, resulting in the imprisonment of his abuser.

So SA Police role with respect to Andrew McIntyre is at best incompetent and at worst negligent.

I'm curious Macca where was your profile picture taken? It's very unusual with the bay like that.
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No it's not Hayden. I have reservations on the interviewer that interviewed Hayden especially with the gun information as there were leading questions pushing him for answers that the interviewer wanted. I'm curious that people who have been researching this case for years have got very narrow in their focus and can only see one answer to who killed the Beaumont children.

I believe the children were at the Phipp's house at around 12.15 pm that day. They had one pound to spend at the bakery and had six finger buns, five pasties, one pie and two large bottles of coca cola (police report on this thread). I think Hayden did mention others being at the house, but can't remember now. The children were only at the house a short amount of time and Hayden said his father loaded surf board covers (which he thought the children were in (and dead), into the back of the car .

It's more likely that the children were given drugged coca cola and were unconscious.

People have speculated that Phipps may have taken them to his factory cottages, but being in the middle of a normal work day I think they went to this house that the new witness is testifying he saw the children with three men. Was Phipps the third man?
No, it was a friend of Tony's whose hose they went to.He was staying with the family. How do you think Tony became the new witness's Scout Master? Phipps wasn't involved in any of this day's events from what I've read. I also love how they found the purse & book "Little Women" in that fabricated documentary, if you can even call it that. One of the McIntyre girls had a copy of that book that very same day & kept it for years. Too bad she died too or maybe she or someone got rid of it before she died...
 

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well mattyb2607 , they have his report of being there & the witness has his own copy too. Proving he was really there
It may seem Willow and I are tag teaming you Sprockets but I don't know WW or have ever messaged them and don't know Suzie Ratcliffe or anything about the new witness but a few others on this thread do. I think it helps to complete the puzzle that the abduction and murder of the Beaumont's have become.

I'm going to add here the Vietnam Vet's report that appeared in the Adelaide Advertiser around the start of 2016, but has since been removed.

BEAUMONT 'WITNESS' COMES FORWARD AFTER POSTER CLUE A potential witness to the Beaumont children abduction has told police he spoke to both Jane Beaumont and a man the three children left Glenelg Beach with on the day they disappeared almost 50 years ago. The witness, who The Advertiser has chosen not to identify, responded to a cold case missing persons poster he saw in a police station in May. The poster said the children had disappeared from the Glenelg foreshore on January 26, 1966, and the location was key to the Vietnam Veteran's belief he may have vital information.

He has told police he believes he spoke with Jane 9, minutes before she and siblings, Arnna 7, and Grant 4, were taken from Glenelg. He also says he spoke with a young man with the children and described a distinctive vehicle they all left in. And in what should prove a key to validating him as a witness, the man said he also talked about the incident at the scene with an elderly couple who were confirmed by police as witnesses during preliminary investigations of the case.

The potential witness who was 20 at the time, said he was eating lunch near Wenzels Bakery, when he spoke to a girl he believes was Jane. "A lad about my age had come up from the beach and used the shower" his statement to police says. "He had three children with him. A girl about 11, a girl about 6 and a boy about 4. The eldest girl was quite chatty and sat on the bench I was on." "She looked at my lunch. I asked her was she hungry and she said no (the lad) had given them a pound and they had lunch from the bakery." It is known that the children had a one pound note their parents had not given them. "I spoke to the lad if he had had his National Service call up. He answered no he hadn't, I had. End of conversation."

The young man has been described as being of medium height and build with sandy coloured hair and had an Australian accent. He was wearing distinctive European-style bathers. The witness said all four then got into a car and left, travelling north. The Advertiser has chosen to not publish the detailed description of the distinctive vehicle.

He said he had never come forward because he was not aware what he had seen that could be connected to the case. "Anything I had ever read about the Beaumont children, it was always linked to the Bay Sheffield running race and Colley Reserve," he said. I've never been in that race and I don't know the reserve, I never thought anything of it. Nothing fitted with what I saw and a crime. There just didn't seem to be anything wrong." The witness, who had been conscripted for the Vietnam War effort, was flown to Puckapunyal, Victoria, a week after the children missing. "We had no television and no SA papers." he said. "I was away for two years.... And I didn't come back in very good shape."

More information from the original poster said the car had a luggage rack and roof racks. I'm not sure if the car was Phipps or someone else's but it's obvious that the Advertiser know who it belongs to and chooses not to publish a description.

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It may seem Willow and I are tag teaming you Sprockets but I don't know WW or have ever messaged them and don't know Suzie Ratcliffe or anything about the new witness but a few others on this thread do. I think it helps to complete the puzzle that the abduction and murder of the Beaumont's have become.

I'm going to add here the Vietnam Vet's report that appeared in the Adelaide Advertiser around the start of 2016, but has since been removed.

BEAUMONT 'WITNESS' COMES FORWARD AFTER POSTER CLUE A potential witness to the Beaumont children abduction has told police he spoke to both Jane Beaumont and a man the three children left Glenelg Beach with on the day they disappeared almost 50 years ago. The witness, who The Advertiser has chosen not to identify, responded to a cold case missing persons poster he saw in a police station in May. The poster said the children had disappeared from the Glenelg foreshore on January 26, 1966, and the location was key to the Vietnam Veteran's belief he may have vital information.

He has told police he believes he spoke with Jane 9, minutes before she and siblings, Arnna 7, and Grant 4, were taken from Glenelg. He also says he spoke with a young man with the children and described a distinctive vehicle they all left in. And in what should prove a key to validating him as a witness, the man said he also talked about the incident at the scene with an elderly couple who were confirmed by police as witnesses during preliminary investigations of the case.

The potential witness who was 20 at the time, said he was eating lunch near Wenzels Bakery, when he spoke to a girl he believes was Jane. "A lad about my age had come up from the beach and used the shower" his statement to police says. "He had three children with him. A girl about 11, a girl about 6 and a boy about 4. The eldest girl was quite chatty and sat on the bench I was on." "She looked at my lunch. I asked her was she hungry and she said no (the lad) had given them a pound and they had lunch from the bakery." It is known that the children had a one pound note their parents had not given them. "I spoke to the lad if he had had his National Service call up. He answered no he hadn't, I had. End of conversation."

The young man has been described as being of medium height and build with sandy coloured hair and had an Australian accent. He was wearing distinctive European-style bathers. The witness said all four then got into a car and left, travelling north. The Advertiser has chosen to not publish the detailed description of the distinctive vehicle.

He said he had never come forward because he was not aware what he had seen that could be connected to the case. "Anything I had ever read about the Beaumont children, it was always linked to the Bay Sheffield running race and Colley Reserve," he said. I've never been in that race and I don't know the reserve, I never thought anything of it. Nothing fitted with what I saw and a crime. There just didn't seem to be anything wrong." The witness, who had been conscripted for the Vietnam War effort, was flown to Puckapunyal, Victoria, a week after the children missing. "We had no television and no SA papers." he said. "I was away for two years.... And I didn't come back in very good shape."

More information from the original poster said the car had a luggage rack and roof racks. I'm not sure if the car was Phipps or someone else's but it's obvious that the Advertiser know who it belongs to and chooses not to publish a description.

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No, I don't know you either but I like that you know so much & you stick by the McIntyre's. Who said we were tag teaming? Sprockets just sounds very much like Claire Halliday still trying to get the scoop she soneeds for her podcast all about how Max is innocent & he was the best man ever& how the three McIntyre kids just like to lie for decades about their dad because he was such a kind man & he deserves justice and his name cleared. That woman makes me want to throw up a little in my mouth far too often... BTW I've never met Suzie Ratcliffe either
 

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No, I don't know you either but I like that you know so much & you stick by the McIntyre's. Who said we were tag teaming? Sprockets just sounds very much like Claire Halliday still trying to get the scoop she soneeds for her podcast all about how Max is innocent & he was the best man ever& how the three McIntyre kids just like to lie for decades about their dad because he was such a kind man & he deserves justice and his name cleared. That woman makes me want to throw up a little in my mouth far too often... BTW I've never met Suzie Ratcliffe either
Because I don't believe everything anonymous internet people post? Ok. :rolleyes:
 

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No, I don't know you either but I like that you know so much & you stick by the McIntyre's. Who said we were tag teaming? Sprockets just sounds very much like Claire Halliday still trying to get the scoop she soneeds for her podcast all about how Max is innocent & he was the best man ever& how the three McIntyre kids just like to lie for decades about their dad because he was such a kind man & he deserves justice and his name cleared. That woman makes me want to throw up a little in my mouth far too often... BTW I've never met Suzie Ratcliffe either
Nobody here has ever said that. Nobody

All that has been said is how does MMs perversions and actions lead to the Beaumont kidnappings , apart from the allegations of his children?

Maybe a question for a Parliamentary Commission might be : Was Max McIntyre a suspect in 1966?
 

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These are the original photos published just after the children disappeared, showing them a lot younger than what they were.

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Later photos that were closer to what they looked like when they disappeared were used.

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Haydn Phipps was a drug addict who is dead too. I wasted money on that stupid book as I was hoping to get a better idea of who Harry Phipps was., The only main thing in that book were the two authors plugging their own previously written books & they should be ashamed of what they did & just how much damage they did with their worthless book
And Hayden had a very difficult life like may who were sexually abused as children. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater with Phipps. If they were taken from the beach in a car as the Vietnam Vet witnessed, it would make sense to go somewhere close as they would realise on a longer journey they were not being taken home.

First hand accounts like Hayden seeing them playing in the back yard, fit with grooming of them to accept a pound buying lunch for around 6 people and why they might get in a car for the reason of taking the food to Phipps house, especially if the money came from him. Also fits that they could have been drugged with their coca cola they bought.

Also I'm not discounting the account of the retired detective seeing Jane's airline bag in the Phipps basement.

I found the discussion of "Frank Barsley", mentioned in that book, that we had previously on this thread quite intriguing and think this man was Elliot Frank Johnson and possibly his car the children got in and went to Phipps house. Advertiser know exactly who the car belongs to.

All that being said, yes I do believe Andrew's and his sisters accounts and think they were taken then to a house where they were abused and murdered. I don't think they were supposed to be murdered but it happened and that was why Max McIntyre was surprised and angry when he received a phone call later after he'd returned home.
 

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If they were taken from the beach in a car as the Vietnam Vet witnessed, it would make sense to go somewhere close as they would realise on a longer journey they were not being taken home.
Last bit first. I'm not sure that would matter once they are in the car.

1st bolded bit. Yes and no and maybe. According to reports Phipps lived 90 seconds from the beach. Yes more people may have spotted them walking along as opposed to being in a car but there is also the other of people spotting 3 kids getting into a car , spotting them in the car etc

I dont give that much weight to the VV recollection.
 

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Last bit first. I'm not sure that would matter once they are in the car.

1st bolded bit. Yes and no and maybe. According to reports Phipps lived 90 seconds from the beach. Yes more people may have spotted them walking along as opposed to being in a car but there is also the other of people spotting 3 kids getting into a car , spotting them in the car etc

I dont give that much weight to the VV recollection.
Me either. It was massive news in the days of the initial search and I doubt anyone at all in Adelaide didn't know about it at the time. Even as a child living in Melbourne it was huge, so I can't see how a mature aged person who was actually (allegedly) at the scene and saw them wouldn't know what was going on. His account also conflicts with other accounts re the description of the perp. I think the most fitting description of him is that he was pretty messed up when he got back from the war.
 

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And Hayden had a very difficult life like may who were sexually abused as children. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater with Phipps. If they were taken from the beach in a car as the Vietnam Vet witnessed, it would make sense to go somewhere close as they would realise on a longer journey they were not being taken home.

First hand accounts like Hayden seeing them playing in the back yard, fit with grooming of them to accept a pound buying lunch for around 6 people and why they might get in a car for the reason of taking the food to Phipps house, especially if the money came from him. Also fits that they could have been drugged with their coca cola they bought.

Also I'm not discounting the account of the retired detective seeing Jane's airline bag in the Phipps basement.

I found the discussion of "Frank Barsley", mentioned in that book, that we had previously on this thread quite intriguing and think this man was Elliot Frank Johnson and possibly his car the children got in and went to Phipps house. Advertiser know exactly who the car belongs to.

All that being said, yes I do believe Andrew's and his sisters accounts and think they were taken then to a house where they were abused and murdered. I don't think they were supposed to be murdered but it happened and that was why Max McIntyre was surprised and angry when he received a phone call later after he'd returned home.
actually, I thought the reason Max got pissed & Tony pulled at his hair & cried after that call was because the new witness didn't OD like had been planned. They now had another living witness. I have no clue who Frank Johnson is though. I agree, I think Haydn was abused.
 

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I doubt it, I bet he had it well covered
Nobody here has ever said that. Nobody

All that has been said is how does MMs perversions and actions lead to the Beaumont kidnappings , apart from the allegations of his children?

Maybe a question for a Parliamentary Commission might be : Was Max McIntyre a suspect in 1966?
o he was never even on the radar
 

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All that being said, yes I do believe Andrew's and his sisters accounts and think they were taken then to a house where they were abused and murdered. I don't think they were supposed to be murdered but it happened and that was why Max McIntyre was surprised and angry when he received a phone call later after he'd returned home.
And again we have a contradiction in action. The children are quite happy making allegations of proxies thrown over cliffs etc and other deaths of children from homes yet the Beaumonts are an accident???


( I accept this is your comment but it still doesnt stand up)
 

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And again we have a contradiction in action. The children are quite happy making allegations of proxies thrown over cliffs etc and other deaths of children from homes yet the Beaumonts are an accident???


( I accept this is your comment but it still doesnt stand up)
Just to expand on that point, what was supposed to happen to the Beaumont children if they weren't meant to be murdered? Just released back to their parents or police? Has that ever happened anywhere else with THREE children? By someone who wouldn't think twice about throwing three children off a cliff or feeding his own child to a sex predator?

I'm glad someone else demands the same standard of proof as myself.
 

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