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#51
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Thats because he is a master that plays those players in appropriate roles and gets the best out of them, builds up their value and is more than happy to trade them fro some quality youngsters or good draft picks.

Take Jacobs for example. He had Jacobs play a role in a rock solid Bombers backline to perfection. This role made Jacobs look better than he really is. Jacobs puts together 2 good seasons playing that role and is still reasonably young. In the mean time Sheeds sings his praises. Come trade period Sheedy is more than happy to trade him and in the process gets a top draft pick.

And so it goes in circles. The real good players that Sheed uncovers, he keeps, the ones that look good but are not as good as they appear he trades for something better.
Jacobs is an excellent example of what I was talking about Stiffy.

As you say he keeps the really good ones, and after building the image of the average ones past their true capabilities, trades them on.

I don't want the Crows to trade with Essendon - we'd be shafted for sure.
 

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I think you underrate Jacobs. He was very, very good for the Bombers and I honestly think Bolton should have been traded before Jacobs.
 

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#53
Originally posted by spindoctor
I think you underrate Jacobs. He was very, very good for the Bombers and I honestly think Bolton should have been traded before Jacobs.
It's all a matter of opinion, isnt it.

I'll back Sheedy's on this occasion, who was desperate to retain Bolton, but happy to trade Jacobs.
 

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#54
Originally posted by macca23
Jacobs is an excellent example of what I was talking about Stiffy.

As you say he keeps the really good ones, and after building the image of the average ones past their true capabilities, trades them on.

I don't want the Crows to trade with Essendon - we'd be shafted for sure.
Thats the thing with Sheeds. Of Sheeds had Perrie at his disposal at the end of last year he would have traded him and got a 1st round pick for him.

Thats why he is called a master.
 

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#55
Originally posted by spindoctor
I think you underrate Jacobs. He was very, very good for the Bombers and I honestly think Bolton should have been traded before Jacobs.
You'e entitled to your opinion BUT you can't tell me that Jacobs is worth pick 6 and Mark Alvey. I know who got shafted in this deal and it ain't Essendon.
 

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Guys,

I think your assessment of Essendon is right, but your reasons aren't. It's not their drafting, they get as wrong as anyone; it's not their recruiting; win some, lose some; it's their aggression.

they are always at the table, not afraid to make hard decisions and value their players honestly. Not everyone in red and black is a champion, and many can be replaced, and they do just that. they have had their hands forced recently for cap reasons, but the bottom line is that they are not afraid of change.

McPhee was a great pick up, they scouted in the TAC, always liked him and he was ready to come home. Cupido, is a dog. a former no.6 pick (clarke trade I think), they gave up caracella because they had to. didn't work out, but hey they pulled the trigger.

Heffernan was touted as a future captain, his development stalled and when the cap squeezed they weren't afraid to cut bait.

It's this agressive unfettered approach to list management that has served them well. "you like player x? cool, how much? done".
get it right, get it wrong, but you have to swing if you want to hit it out the park. Essendon are good examples of this, and I would like to see us adopt a similar policy.

Carey was a good example, we would be no better this year not having done the trade, and we would be bitching about how we never take risks or do big trades. Hell in the same situation I'd draft Angwin again, at least he had talent. same can't be said for most of the drek in that draft.

Big thinking is the way forward.
 

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#58
Originally posted by macca23
It's all a matter of opinion, isnt it.

I'll back Sheedy's on this occasion, who was desperate to retain Bolton, but happy to trade Jacobs.
it's about size, Bolton has it Jacobs doesn't. Besides Jacobs is another backline sweeper too small for big jobs, I'd have bitten off the hand that offered me pick 6 for him.

Essendon were just patient, there wasn't fair value, because there wasn't enough time. Now let's just see If Kepler is worth anything.
 

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Jacobs is a bit more than a backline sweeper...he played as a key-position back for a lot of last season and beat many of his opponents...

Better than you can say for our backline.
 

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Originally posted by spindoctor
Jacobs is a bit more than a backline sweeper...he played as a key-position back for a lot of last season and beat many of his opponents...

Better than you can say for our backline.
That migth be so BUT was he worth what Essendon got for him?????? Pick 6 in a draft where top 10 were as good as any other year and a player who adds to Essendon what they need which is pace in the midfield.

If you wanted Jacobs would you trade Pick 6 and Mark Alvey for him??????
 
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#61
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
That migth be so BUT was he worth what Essendon got for him?????? Pick 6 in a draft where top 10 were as good as any other year and a player who adds to Essendon what they need which is pace in the midfield.

If you wanted Jacobs would you trade Pick 6 and Mark Alvey for him??????
Like SD, I reckon you guys under-rate Jacobs. He only really struggled as the Dons when they were playing him when injured. However, having said that, trading him for pick #6 + Alvey was a very good deal ... but wasn't all of this caught up in the lop-sided deal to prevent Rawlings going to the Roos?
 

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#62
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Like SD, I reckon you guys under-rate Jacobs. He only really struggled as the Dons when they were playing him when injured. However, having said that, trading him for pick #6 + Alvey was a very good deal ... but wasn't all of this caught up in the lop-sided deal to prevent Rawlings going to the Roos?
Close, but the Hawks spiting the Roos thing has been severely overplayed.

The Veale deal enabled the Bulldogs to pick up Jade Rawlings, essentially at the expense of pick 6 and Alvey.

BUT, from a Bulldog perspective, they needed another player involved on similar money, so as to prevent Hawthorn from being able to re-sign Rawlings after the Veale-deal went through. Enter Essendon with Danny Jacobs, Hawthorn get a player (better than nothing), Bulldogs make sure that Hawthorn can't stooge them by signing Rawlings up AFTER the trade period, and Essendon cash in by being in the right place at the right time.

The trade is a sheer anomaly, but you're right, Sheedy is the master of anomalies...
 
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