No way English has or will learn to have Cox tapping qualities or abilities.I think Tim English's ceiling is Dean Cox and Mitch Clark circa 2009. Mobile talls who aren't a liability with ball in hand, who then develop the strength to compete against the bull rucks over the years.
No way English has or will learn to have Cox tapping qualities or abilities.
English just isn't hat kind of ruck.
I think they compare quite closely at the same age, English needs to build a lot of strength - I believe Dean played at +15kg on English currently and that will take time.Dean Cox is arguably the best ruckman of all time, that is a big call
TDKoning is a balancing act in progress. The open question at this point is how much extra bulk he needs. His ruck craft is coming along nicely, but he's got a lot to learn about self protection, some of which might need to be made up for with extra beef. And how much the extra beef will erode his other qualities.It's his timing that gets me.
When he went in against NicNat he just put that extra half a second on his jumps and it really took away from what the Eagles could do in the centre.
He does the same as a forward and looks very hard to defend against.
I've loved Ladhams this year. He still has a long way to go, in improving his tap work but his impact around the ground has lifted his team. That's an impressive contribution, by a kid, to lift the morale of the team.Who is currently the best young ruckman going around.
I’d go with the following 1-3
1. English - clearly number 1
2. Darcy - exposes form but losing ground rapidly
3. ladhams - great year before his covid issues.
TDK imo will go past a few in 2021 if given the opportunity. Has a lot of attributes that puts him in the conversation already.
Yep, Darcy is never going to be as damaging with the ball, just damaging to opposition midfielders who get close to him.3 to watch are Ladhams, Draper and TDK for me.
I've been watching Darcy for a few years (have him in a keeper league). He looks like he'll be physical enough to play a decent enough career, but i don't think he'll offer the same around the grounds as the other 3.
Always had the raw potential though. His height meant if he put it together he would become elite. And he did.Do you remember what Max Gawn was like early on?
You also mentioned ROB? He's only is 202 cm and had his debut 12 days before his 21st birthday and only played 2 games in 3 years before becoming a regular at age 24.Always had the raw potential though. His height meant if he put it together he would become elite. And he did.
I don't see that potential in the names listed here.
If English could learn to ruck I would say him, but I can't see that happening.
Pittonet seems like he'll be that consistent top 10 but never top 4/5 ruck tooEnglish does look a fantastic talent, but he seems like a better Westhoff in that floating CHF/wing/CHB/ruck role than a pure ruck.
I'm thinking Ladhams is the gun. That draft seems to have a lot of quality rucks (English, Ladhams, Darcy, Draper, Marshall, McInerney [though they were mature aged]).
De Koning seems promising too.
You’re right. I didn’t fact check Cameron’s age. I was looking at under 25s really. I thought Cameron was young. But if we kept the criteria to sub 50 games solo rucking that could keep him in. But then the title change to inexperienced ruckman.Marc Pittonet 3/6/96 has done the bulk of the work for Carlton this year.
Tom De Koning 16/7/99 probably should be considered a ruck/forward on volumes at this stage.
Darcy Cameron 18/7/95 while still young does not seem to meet the loose age requirements.
Reilly O'Brien 20/8/95 and Rowan Marshall 24/11/95 both agree.