Marc_Remillard
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RIP Queensland football.
Also s**t Collingwood is s**t.
Just fixed up your spelling error
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RIP Queensland football.
Also s**t Collingwood is s**t.
No problem. Football is cyclical and those clubs will rise up once more at some point.
Witty.Just fixed up your spelling error
Witty.
With 4 Victorian teams, North, Geelong, Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn, as well as 4 interstate teams, Sydney, GWS, Adelaide and WCE, making up the current 8, should there be celebration that the code is healthy and thriving?
something something equalisation.......
This is why when you rebuild you have to get it right and nail picks, particularly Rounds 1 and 2. This was Carlton's problem, their last rebuild didn't generate enough good picks and too many cloggers.Good management can hasten a recovery.
If Geelong wasn't one of the teams would you still be posting this thread?
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So much playing the man already. I yearn for when a response to a thread OP (thread now merged) isn't centred around the club they support.2 regioinal victorian teams, 2 tasmanian teams and 4 others i think you mean
Whereas this is spot on and from where I stand echoes in a way what Sttew was saying.If anything, the fact that North, Melbourne, Geelong, Doggies, St Kilda and Hawthorn are the best teams from Victoria this season demonstrates that everything is going well.
All of those clubs have had severe financial difficulties over the last 20 years. Some have really thrived (Hawks, Geelong), some have become consistent finals performers (Dogs, St Kilda, North) and some are Melbourne (who put Mark Neeld in as head coach, forever curse his name).
But all of them have record membership, all have lists in decent shape, none are facing extreme financial stress (Melbourne, Dogs, Saints, Roos will always be smaller clubs - but you can't have 'big' clubs without small ones).
Yes to Tasmania and fix up the academies.With Carlton, Collingwood. Essendon and Richmond entrenched in the bottom third of the ladder, there should be real concerns for the future of the code.
Carlton and Essendon are there because of penalties for cheating, and it could be argued that they deserve it. Collingwood and Richmond are there because of their own decisions to some extent. For the AFL, the concern has to be that these four teams carry the bulk of the rusted on supporters of the code, and their extended occupancy of the lower reaches must have severe effects on revenue and general support for football.
The expansion clubs are the problem, because they have little support, and what they have is ephemeral. OK when they are successful, but non existant when they are not.
The AFL has looked to recruiting as the solution. The draft was introduced to remedy the problems of power clubs having access to the best talent through their financial strength, minising the chances of success for the others. To expand, the draft was compromised for years to give the new clubs a chance. The former power clubs have been forced down by lack of talent when they chose, and smetimes poor or unlucky choices with what they did get.
Now, the draft is further compromised by acadamies and father son rules. Future trading of draft picks is fraught too. If there is going to be a draft, and it seems necessary to reduce the effects of wealth, then it should be exactly what teh simplest version would suggest. A selection based on reverse ladder position with rigorous prevention of cheating. No acadamies and no father son rules.
The other aspect of acadamies, that they bring in talented players that might not otherwise choose the code, needs an AFL controlled administration that brings on these players in non AFL states.
There are many problems here, and a clear program to solve tehm needs to be prepared. If it is not, then the collapse of the melbourne supporter base that carries the AFL can be expected. A Tasmanian team is an essential part of this, to regain the pathway that once drew most Tasmanian athletes to football. There is probably not a lot of time left for this.
With Carlton, Collingwood. Essendon and Richmond entrenched in the bottom third of the ladder, there should be real concerns for the future of the code.
Carlton and Essendon are there because of penalties for cheating, and it could be argued that they deserve it. Collingwood and Richmond are there because of their own decisions to some extent. For the AFL, the concern has to be that these four teams carry the bulk of the rusted on supporters of the code, and their extended occupancy of the lower reaches must have severe effects on revenue and general support for football.
The expansion clubs are the problem, because they have little support, and what they have is ephemeral. OK when they are successful, but non existant when they are not.
The AFL has looked to recruiting as the solution. The draft was introduced to remedy the problems of power clubs having access to the best talent through their financial strength, minising the chances of success for the others. To expand, the draft was compromised for years to give the new clubs a chance. The former power clubs have been forced down by lack of talent when they chose, and smetimes poor or unlucky choices with what they did get.
Now, the draft is further compromised by acadamies and father son rules. Future trading of draft picks is fraught too. If there is going to be a draft, and it seems necessary to reduce the effects of wealth, then it should be exactly what teh simplest version would suggest. A selection based on reverse ladder position with rigorous prevention of cheating. No acadamies and no father son rules.
The other aspect of acadamies, that they bring in talented players that might not otherwise choose the code, needs an AFL controlled administration that brings on these players in non AFL states.
There are many problems here, and a clear program to solve tehm needs to be prepared. If it is not, then the collapse of the melbourne supporter base that carries the AFL can be expected. A Tasmanian team is an essential part of this, to regain the pathway that once drew most Tasmanian athletes to football. There is probably not a lot of time left for this.
Yes to Tasmania and fix up the academies.
The fact that the big four are s**t is their fault alone.
Just like I don't want my membership money given to North Melbourne, I don't want the AFL to discriminate and give my club a leg up.
Absolutely pathetic. Stopped reading there.Collingwood and Richmond are there because of their own decisions to some extent...
Exactly!No problem. Football is cyclical and those clubs will rise up once more at some point.
If that was the case they would let smaller supported teams have blockbuster games and let the big clubs have non blockbuster games. Yet we see the opposite.I think the AFL would actually prefer this as those clubs can still survive without stellar on field performances. The competition to my mind does better financially if Essendon are rubbish and North are flying than vice versa and we know it's about the alighty ollar
Richmond, carlton and Essendon woes ain't cyclical. It's mismanagement. A cycle would suggest teams are playing finals almost every second year. Yet it is far from the case for these clubs. Throw in Melbourne as well.Exactly!
It would only be a problem if the 4 clubs where in the bottom 4 for the next 10 years.
Ecclesiastes 3.1 covers it.No problem. Football is cyclical and those clubs will rise up once more at some point.
You can't blame the big four woes on the expansion teams when dogs, Saints, cats, nth, Hawks are all doing fine.With Carlton, Collingwood. Essendon and Richmond entrenched in the bottom third of the ladder, there should be real concerns for the future of the code.
Carlton and Essendon are there because of penalties for cheating, and it could be argued that they deserve it. Collingwood and Richmond are there because of their own decisions to some extent. For the AFL, the concern has to be that these four teams carry the bulk of the rusted on supporters of the code, and their extended occupancy of the lower reaches must have severe effects on revenue and general support for football.
The expansion clubs are the problem, because they have little support, and what they have is ephemeral. OK when they are successful, but non existant when they are not.
The AFL has looked to recruiting as the solution. The draft was introduced to remedy the problems of power clubs having access to the best talent through their financial strength, minising the chances of success for the others. To expand, the draft was compromised for years to give the new clubs a chance. The former power clubs have been forced down by lack of talent when they chose, and smetimes poor or unlucky choices with what they did get.
Now, the draft is further compromised by acadamies and father son rules. Future trading of draft picks is fraught too. If there is going to be a draft, and it seems necessary to reduce the effects of wealth, then it should be exactly what teh simplest version would suggest. A selection based on reverse ladder position with rigorous prevention of cheating. No acadamies and no father son rules.
The other aspect of acadamies, that they bring in talented players that might not otherwise choose the code, needs an AFL controlled administration that brings on these players in non AFL states.
There are many problems here, and a clear program to solve tehm needs to be prepared. If it is not, then the collapse of the melbourne supporter base that carries the AFL can be expected. A Tasmanian team is an essential part of this, to regain the pathway that once drew most Tasmanian athletes to football. There is probably not a lot of time left for this.
The effects of our cheating penalties are long gone.With Carlton, Collingwood. Essendon and Richmond entrenched in the bottom third of the ladder, there should be real concerns for the future of the code.
Carlton and Essendon are there because of penalties for cheating,
Jay Clark...Which media boys BF troll account is this?
With Carlton, Collingwood. Essendon and Richmond entrenched in the bottom third of the ladder, there should be real concerns for the future of the code.
Carlton and Essendon are there because of penalties for cheating, and it could be argued that they deserve it. Collingwood and Richmond are there because of their own decisions to some extent. For the AFL, the concern has to be that these four teams carry the bulk of the rusted on supporters of the code, and their extended occupancy of the lower reaches must have severe effects on revenue and general support for football.
The expansion clubs are the problem, because they have little support, and what they have is ephemeral. OK when they are successful, but non existant when they are not.
The AFL has looked to recruiting as the solution. The draft was introduced to remedy the problems of power clubs having access to the best talent through their financial strength, minising the chances of success for the others. To expand, the draft was compromised for years to give the new clubs a chance. The former power clubs have been forced down by lack of talent when they chose, and smetimes poor or unlucky choices with what they did get.
Now, the draft is further compromised by acadamies and father son rules. Future trading of draft picks is fraught too. If there is going to be a draft, and it seems necessary to reduce the effects of wealth, then it should be exactly what teh simplest version would suggest. A selection based on reverse ladder position with rigorous prevention of cheating. No acadamies and no father son rules.
The other aspect of acadamies, that they bring in talented players that might not otherwise choose the code, needs an AFL controlled administration that brings on these players in non AFL states.
There are many problems here, and a clear program to solve tehm needs to be prepared. If it is not, then the collapse of the melbourne supporter base that carries the AFL can be expected. A Tasmanian team is an essential part of this, to regain the pathway that once drew most Tasmanian athletes to football. There is probably not a lot of time left for this.