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Nip/Tuck said:
Moomba, you dissapoint me. This is your gig.

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'Bring on Chelsea',

Fowler and Bellamy up front says it all.
Strikers aren't usually required in Liverpool v Chelsea matches so it doesn't really matter who is on the team sheet.
 

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I still expect a few more signings to be made before the season starts.

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You would hope so, all the signings we have made so far havent addressed our problems. Yes, we bought a striker but really Bellamy is just replacing the sold Morientes and with Cisse again out with injury we still need to buy another striker. And the right wing problems are still yet to be addressed.
 

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I think the money from the sale of Hamman along with the savings in wages re Cisse should help Rafa.

Still no word on whether Pongolle will be sold or whether this is much interest. I think he is definitely surplus to Rafas requirements so would have no problems if he was sold.

If Juventus and AC Milan were relegated who do people think Rafa would go for ?

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JLC said:
I think the money from the sale of Hamman along with the savings in wages re Cisse should help Rafa.

Still no word on whether Pongolle will be sold or whether this is much interest. I think he is definitely surplus to Rafas requirements so would have no problems if he was sold.

If Juventus and AC Milan were relegated who do people think Rafa would go for ?

jlc
Hamann left on a free.

Trezeguet? Zlatan? Bojinov?
 

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Hamann left on a free.
The latest one going around is that the fee agreed between Liverpool and Bolton was £500k, but it was all based on appearances. So Bolton ended up paying nothing and we paid them £300k compensation not to kick up a fuss.

That would pretty much fit in with the rumours toward the end of the season that Liverpool did want a small fee for Hamann.
 

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You happy with that Moomba? 300k for a guy of Hamann's quality is a bargain of the highest order! We will miss the Kaiser!

Only thing were saving on right now is not having to pay Hamann's and Cisse's wages. Still need to buy some players although Rafa has come out and said that he is still shopping and looking to pick two or three more players. Hopefully a striker and some right midfield help.
 

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moomba said:
The latest one going around is that the fee agreed between Liverpool and Bolton was £500k, but it was all based on appearances. So Bolton ended up paying nothing and we paid them £300k compensation not to kick up a fuss.

That would pretty much fit in with the rumours toward the end of the season that Liverpool did want a small fee for Hamann.
Fair call. Anyway, he will be a tremendous signing for Man City, although his best days may be behind him, for the price you are getting him for his contribution will easily repay that. Was fantastic for us over the last 7 or so years.
 

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Yeah it was weird - we get £500k after 7 years service and Bolton get £300k because he changed his mind.......lol we got jibbed me thinks.

I am unable to go to this weeks practice game against Wrexham but i am hoping to go to next weeks warm up game.

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Hmm im getting worried with all the nothingness on the transfer front. Is Rafa really going to go into the season with just Fowler, Crouch and Bellamy up front? We really need another striker and a RM.
 

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The longer he waits the more players sign for other clubs. In Rafa we trust but I wont be happy with we start the season with just Crouch, Fowler and Bellamy up front and still no right sided mid.
 

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I hope for Liverpool's sake and the sake of competitiveness for the title next season that you guys do make a few more signings ESPECIALLY up front and world class ones, not crap like you've signed so far.

Bellamy is no good. All he has done in his career is scored a couple of goals for Blackburn. Wow! He was no good at Newcastle, and is far from world class. He doesn't fit in a club of the stature, prestige and ambition of Liverpool. Trezeguet does. Sadly, I think Liverpool or moreso Rafa are happy with a Bellamy-Crouch front duo.

Ouch! for you guys.
 

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Nip/Tuck said:
I hope for Liverpool's sake and the sake of competitiveness for the title next season that you guys do make a few more signings ESPECIALLY up front and world class ones, not crap like you've signed so far.

Bellamy is no good. All he has done in his career is scored a couple of goals for Blackburn. Wow! He was no good at Newcastle, and is far from world class. He doesn't fit in a club of the stature, prestige and ambition of Liverpool. Trezeguet does. Sadly, I think Liverpool or moreso Rafa are happy with a Bellamy-Crouch front duo.

Ouch! for you guys.
Unlike Chelsea and their unlimited funds we cant just go out and buy world class player after world class player. Rafa know's what he is doing.
 

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Lol Man United are yet to sign anyone if thats any consolation.

I think Rafa has been right to be patient, as with the Juve players being available i expect this to bring down the fees on players from rival clubs as now there are many more options.

Bellamy when compared to Heskey is looking to be a bit of a bargain. I think we can make do with 3 strikers for the moment if need be as we also have Garcia that can play up front if required. In an ideal world we would get a fourth striker however.

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jod23 said:
Unlike Chelsea and their unlimited funds we cant just go out and buy world class player after world class player. Rafa know's what he is doing.
The obsession Liverpool fans have with Chelsea FC never ends. It's sad Jod that when something has nothing to do with Chelsea you bring them into it.

Here are some facts Jod,

Trezeguet > Bellamy (by that far it isn't even funny)

Trezeguet's price is likely to be < or = to what Liverpool paid for Bellamy.

Rafa has jumped the gun and bought an average to good (at best) striker who is far from world class when better quality strikers were likely to be available after the verdict in the Italian match fixing scandal was delivered.

All I was pointing out was that Bellamy doesn't belong at a club with the ambition of Liverpool. Rafa has wasted money that could've easily been spent on a better quality striker for a similar price (Trezeguet is as proven world class quality as you'll get).

Go and Jod spin something about Chelsea and their money.

(What I find most ironic is that every season you seem to tip Liverpool to do really well, win the title etc. so obviously Chelsea's money isn't that big of an obstacle if you believe Liverpool have the team to win the title. In which case, when they don't shouldn't you blame the players for not delivering?)

Ouch Jod!
 

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JLC said:
Bellamy when compared to Heskey is looking to be a bit of a bargain. I think we can make do with 3 strikers for the moment if need be as we also have Garcia that can play up front if required. In an ideal world we would get a fourth striker however.

jlc
Why?

What has Bellamy ever done, apart from scoring a couple of goals at Blackburn?
 

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Well Heskey at £5.5 million and Bellamy at £6 million - I know who i would be choosing.

The beauty with Rafa is that he does not have to buy READY MADE stars. He has taken the likes of Alonso, Crouch and Garcia and moulded them into much better players. He has even helped Gerrard take his game to another level.

Its not about what Bellamy has done in the past, its all about what he is going to do in the future. I am sure Rafa will be able to get the best out of Bellamy.

As for Trezeguet we will proably get him on a season long loan anyway.

I do not think we are obsessed with Chelsea it is merely that they are the benchmark when it comes to buying players etc. For the time being they are the team with all the money.

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Jod has a point Nip/Tuck. We have to work within what we have available. Rafa is obviously looking at strengthening a few areas and we can't all blow it on 1 player. We can't go around spending 24m on Drogba, 17m on Duff etc...

You may think Bellamy is better than Trezeguet as a player. Fair enough, but his record in the Serie A will count for nothing if he makes the move to the Premier League and turns out to be a flop... Ask Kezman. As for Trezeguet's price, thats all speculation at the moment.
 

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Nip/Tuck said:
The obsession Liverpool fans have with Chelsea FC never ends. It's sad Jod that when something has nothing to do with Chelsea you bring them into it.

Here are some facts Jod,

Trezeguet > Bellamy (by that far it isn't even funny)

Trezeguet's price is likely to be < or = to what Liverpool paid for Bellamy.

Rafa has jumped the gun and bought an average to good (at best) striker who is far from world class when better quality strikers were likely to be available after the verdict in the Italian match fixing scandal was delivered.

All I was pointing out was that Bellamy doesn't belong at a club with the ambition of Liverpool. Rafa has wasted money that could've easily been spent on a better quality striker for a similar price (Trezeguet is as proven world class quality as you'll get).

Go and Jod spin something about Chelsea and their money.

(What I find most ironic is that every season you seem to tip Liverpool to do really well, win the title etc. so obviously Chelsea's money isn't that big of an obstacle if you believe Liverpool have the team to win the title. In which case, when they don't shouldn't you blame the players for not delivering?)

Ouch Jod!
What are you on about? Look back on any of my posts in the past month and I was probably the most put off about signing Bellamy and im still not happy that we did. I think he is a twat. But now he is a Red, Ill support and I hope to god Rafa can make him twice the player he is and I hope he bangs in 20 goals next season.

Secondly when did I ever say anything about Bellamy being a better footballer than Trezeguet? I think were all in the same boat here when I say DT is a better player than Bellamy. But then again Morientes is probably a better striker than Bellamy too but you wouldnt have known that last season would you. Bellamy was knocking them in for fun whilst Morientes looked slow and average. Bottom line is that Bellamy is somewhat proven in the English game, DT is not, and we see it far too often with foreign players failing in England.

Oh and I dont think I have ever tipped us to win the title? I may have in jest but not seriously. We havent been ready and good enough for a long time now. Rafa is turning that around though. We closed the gap by a massive margin last season and despite Chelsea signing Shev and Ballack I think we can close the gap again. Not saying we can win it next season but I think next season we will be closer than we have been in god knows how long.
 

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Nip/Tuck said:
The obsession Liverpool fans have with Chelsea FC never ends. It's sad Jod that when something has nothing to do with Chelsea you bring them into it.

...Rafa has jumped the gun and bought an average to good (at best) striker who is far from world class when better quality strikers were likely to be available after the verdict in the Italian match fixing scandal was delivered.

All I was pointing out was that Bellamy doesn't belong at a club with the ambition of Liverpool. Rafa has wasted money that could've easily been spent on a better quality striker for a similar price (Trezeguet is as proven world class quality as you'll get).

Go and Jod spin something about Chelsea and their money.
Your obession with Liverpool is something .

I'm prepared to put my neck on the chopping block. IMHO Bellamy will be a great signing for Liverpool.

Infact I'll go as far as to say I believe Bellamy will score more than Shevchenko in the forth-coming season.

Chelsea can buy who they want, Liverpool have to be more circumspect with our money. Per million spent Bellamy will score more than any PL signing of the last 5 yrs. (Henry will still be stop scorer mind;) )
 

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jeka said:
Per million spent Bellamy will score more than any PL signing of the last 5 yrs. (Henry will still be stop scorer mind;) )
He'll do well to get two and half times Darren Bents 22 goals last season, or even three and a half times Darius Vassell's 11.

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
 
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