moomba said:
Doesn't really bother me, I just don't use goals in cups, usually against poor opposition as a basis to form judgements on players. You do, so good luck to you.
Goals are goals, whether you like it or not, you must be the type to say Pele's not as good as he suggests because of all those exhibition matches goals counted towards his overall tally?
moomba said:
Twisting stats, how exactly? If you go by your theory Bradley Wright-Phillips is a 2 goals a game man in the premier league. That shows the stupidity of your argument, IMO of course.
That is absolutely idiotic to use BWeeP as an example for a bloke who's made absolutely minimal starts and a million sub appearances (Meaning primarily a bench player). To even make such a moronic comparsion shows how selective you are
One is a striker with seasons and seasons under his belt and the other is a young bloke making his way, one has had a fairly distinguish career and the other basicly doesn't even have half a career. That is how you're twisting your stats, with no logic and just silly nitpicking
moomba said:
A striker could get a start and go off injured in the 1st minute. His replacement could play the remaining 89 (plus added time). If you are going to be really accurate you would go on goals per minute played. If not you take into account every appearance a player makes. Often a sub appearance agaisnt tired opponents, once the game has opened up a bit is a great opportunity for a striker to score.
A player naturally makes more starts than sub appearances, if he gets injured in the 5th minute, then it's an occurance that happens infinitely less than a player having a very short cameo off the bench. You will get one 5th minute sub from one every 70 odd starts while you'd frequently get 10 minute stints as a sub (Which happens the majority of the time)
Not even worth mentioning such a very remote possibility
A sub appearance when your manager gets desperately in hope of a goal with your side ultimately failing to create anything, or a sub made when sides are 2-0+ down (Which happens frequently with the clubs he's played in) in a hopeless situation. They all count, of course
moomba said:
The thing I love about discussing football with you is that you just can't handle someone having an opinion thats different than yours. Even after I have said that I think Bellamy will be valuable to Liverpool this season, and that IMO he will finish in double figures for the second time in his career (as far as the premier league goes) you still can't help yourself.
Correction
I can't handle someone with moronic opinions
That is of course, my opinion on your footballing knowledge
And btw, I never even disagreed with you on your assessment on Bellamy's worth to us, but some of the points you made were IMO, stupid.
There are plenty who has a different opinion to mine, but yours has always been so far off the mark. It's a bit self centred of you to ever consider you as my only target of debate, of course.