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Cooldude said:
Moomba still doesn't have the balls to just say he thinks Peter Crouch is a tall lanky unco mofo who ain't any better than Darius Vassell, kinda like the majority. All the long-winded bull**** you spout about his ability are kinda pointless, ya know, when you could've just said that. Hmmm...
Thats not what I think, why would I say it is?

Overrated Newcastle and Boro? What about underrating us? But then again you've always been a spin doctor.
I have rated Liverpool as a probable top four side for the past two years, they have been a top four side in one of those two years. Either way, its just a prediction in a prediction thread. As you've pointed out many times now you don't rate my judgement or my opinion, so I really don't know why you are still sobbing about a prediction I made (which turned out to be correct) 12 months down the track?
 

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Blah blah blah...

Just on Alonso, it's amazing how english players value is horribly overblown. Look at Carrick and rumors of at least 15 million to get him to Man U. We paid 10 for Alonso and Xabi is twice the player Carrick is. Amazing really.
 

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Just on Alonso, it's amazing how english players value is horribly overblown. Look at Carrick and rumors of at least 15 million to get him to Man U. We paid 10 for Alonso and Xabi is twice the player Carrick is. Amazing really.
I wouldn't get too cocky, as it will be offset by paying 12m for Bellamy and Pennant. Or is Rafa going to magically untwat them?
 

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When you stick your neck out and make an opinion about a side and you were wrong, at least have the balls to admit it, which you obviously don't do.

And I was never even talking about your prediction thread ****, yet you kept harping on it. As a supporter of my club, and when another bloke make a ridiculous opinion or comment about my club (Such as comparing us at the level of ****ing Boro and Barcodes), I'm entitled to challenge that. You were wrong about my club and our players on many occasions, and as I said, at least have the balls to admit it.

When two have differing opinions, one of them's bound to be wrong. That is all

Did we just bid 6 mil for Pennant? Might as well spend the rest of our budget trying to get Lee Bowyer again
 

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I have to say theres not a lot more pathetic than someone getting offended by someone elses opinion of their club on a message board (particularly when that persons opinion is not rated). But you take the cake still sulking about it 12 months later.

I tipped Liverpool for the top 4, they made the top 4.

I tipped Boro and Newcastle to be up there in that region with them. I was wrong and said so.

Time to get over yourself.
 

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So it looks like our final signing will be either Kuyt, Alves, Pennant or Trezeguet or perhaps even two of those with any luck. Kronkamp may be sold to get some extra funds which would be handy.

That would give Rafa a very strong squad at his disposal and probably the first time he can say its REALLY HIS SQUAD. Interestingly Chelsea are going with a smaller squad this season as Jose is finding it tough to keep all his players happy.

My prediction is 1st or 2nd this year and another trophy whether that be Champions League, FA Cup or Carling Cup.

We have lost nothing from last years squad except for Hamman but his time was limited and maybe Cisse. Bellamy, Gonzalez, Paletta and Aurellio should more than cover those loses.

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10 REASONS WHY LIVERPOOL WILL WIN THE PREMIERSHIP

by Jamie Ellis, LFC Online
A not entirely unbiased appraisal of Liverpool's title prospects....

1) Rafa the Great Usurper

As with business, success in football is generally achieved from the top down and credit must go to Rick Parry for his shrewd acquisition of Benitez. At a time when many clubs in Spain dallied, Parry took action and got his man. Under appreciated outside of Valencia, Rafa was overlooked for the Real Madrid job, despite having been a former player and youth team coach at the Bernabeau, and his fantastic track record at Valencia. Even everyone’s favourite Spaniard, Guillem Balague, at the start of the 2002/2003 season, voiced his concerns that Benitez's Valencia did not have a proven goal-scorer on the books and contended that they would find it hard to compete with Real Madrid and Barcelona for the title. Undeterred Rafa moved Mista from midfield to up front and was rewarded with some 19 goals from his newly converted striker and Valencia went on to win the league despite Benitez being denied significant funds to strengthen his team. What does this tell us? Well if he can overhaul the Spanish giants without an established striker or a decent transfer budget, surely he can overtake the lowly Chelsea and Man Utd, given some funds and an established goal-scorer. Famously Rafa said of his struggles to get the Valencia board to sign his transfer targets “I asked for a bed-side table but they bought me a lamp”, his frustration at not being able to improve his team one of the main reasons for his departure. And boy did those Valencia fans cry when he left. If Rafa were still there you can bet you bottom dollar that Valencia would have pushed Barca all the way last season.

2) Gerrard par excellance

A world class player that is frequently the difference between us and them, regularly stepping up to score the crucial goal or turn a match. All title winning teams need at least one and our one is as good as any of the current crop. He outdid Kaka and Pirlo in Istanbul and generally outperforms anyone he’s up against.

3) Carragher and co.

Our defence is mean and getting meaner and is the basis of Rafa’s footballing philosophy and the platform for his success. Steve Finnan is so good you often don’t notice him in games. Riise under Rafa has shown none of his earlier defensive fallibilities. Hyppia – now defends better than ever without seeming to take more than three steps in any direction. Carragher – ask any player on the continent, especially Italians or Spaniards, about Carragher’s omission from the England starting eleven, and they would tell you that Sven is bonkers. Carra can win matches from the back. In my estimation he comes second only to Terry because of the latter’s goal contributions as the UK’s best defender and is easily top ten in the world. Reina – getting better and more dominant in the penalty box with every game, quick off the line, consistent, vocal, and an excellent shot stopper and distributor. In front of this is a well-oiled midfield that closes down as a team and is making it increasingly difficult for the opposition to get though, or even string a few passes together.

4) Alonso

The best ten million LFC ever spent. Young, classy, faultless, creative and one of the top three tackle makers in the league last season. His passing is a joy to behold and he can dominate games from a deep lying midfield position. Can anyone remember a player scoring from his own half with his weak foot before? Enough said.

5) The fans

Prawn sandwich anyone? Thought not. Anfield still has that old school vibe, unsullied by the corporate brigade and unlike Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal, capable of rousing a song before being 2-0 up, or when 3-0 down at half time in the Champions League final. We have the edge in terms of fan power over our nearest rivals.

6) Brazil’s first choice full-backs?

It’s an alluring notion. With the retirements of Cafu and Roberto Carlos we could quite feasibly soon be losing our full-backs to the samba cause on international duty. Although I don’t expect Rafa to have them rampaging up and down the wing like those two did for Brazil our attacking options from that position should be twice as good as last season. Providing Rafa can nail down a deal for Alves – who was the star of the show in Sevilla’s demolition of Middlesbrough during last season’s Uefa cup final.

7) Coaching

I don’t know what Rafa says to the players or does on the training pitch but from seeing the results on the pitch I know we have the edge over coaching and management teams at other clubs. Some of this credit must surely go to the background staff of Pako Ayestaran et al, who Craig Bellamy has praised since his arrival and who surely have played a crucial role in moulding us towards invincibility. When they were at Valencia as soon as they went one-nil up, which they invariably did, you knew the result was in the bag and so did the opposing teams.

I’m sure most of you will have heard that Rafa is not the molly-cuddling type. Carragher has said that Rafa doesn’t really talk to the players apart from footballing matters; no warm shoulders, or pandering to the temperamental mind-sets of the modern player. No “Hi, are you okay, do you want a cuddle, have you brushed your teeth” as I imagine Ferguson might say to Ronaldo, Rooney and Ferdinand. Gerrard’s near departure was, I think, a by-product of him feeling unwanted and unloved in the post-Houllier environment, Gerrard was used to being constantly assured and coaxed in a manner that Benitez does not subscribe to. But once they get used to it, the team and players reap the rewards of Benitez’s stoic manner.

To illustrate my point an interesting parallel can be drawn between Rafa’s methods and those of New Zealand’s All Blacks. After New Zealand underperformed at the Rugby World cup when England went on to win it, their coaches and governing bodies reviewed their methodology and training practices. What they decided was that the players had become over-coached. They were told when and how to do practically everything and all their needs were catered for and prearranged for their convenience. The downside of this they realised, was that players had forgotten how to think and act for themselves and the by product of this was that when their game-plan didn’t work, they were poor at adapting, improvising and taking matters in to their own hands on the pitch.

One only need look at the results in Istanbul and Cardiff when behind to Milan and West Ham respectively to see that the team now believe in themselves and look to each other to turn results around. This is a key aspect of Rafa’s management philosophy and I think it compares favourably to the overbearing styles of Mourinho and Ferguson.

8) Little and Large

The classic combination of a little man with pace and a big man with a good touch who can win knock-ons. The last time I can think of a pair like this was when Kevin Phillips and Niall Quinn linked up for Sunderland and the former won the golden boot. Can Crouchy supply a shed load of goals in a similar manner to Quinny for his vertically challenged partner in attack. You bet your arse he can. Crouch could hold up an Avalanche if need be and Bellamy got 17 goals in 27 starts last season in all competitions. If he, Gerrard and Crouch get an understanding going we could score as many goals as Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd next season and more than compete with them defensively.

9) Hunger: We're all starving for success

Our boys are hungry, none of them have a league winners medal to their names and champions league glory won’t have sated that hunger. In contrast the old guard at Man Utd, a fair chunk of the Arsenal and obviously most of Chelsea’s players might not be quite as champing at the bit for domestic glory as our boys, who must feel that their time is now. This belief and hunger could make the difference.

10) Wrecking ball

All the best and most successful teams need and have one. Think Makelele, Gattuso, dare I mention him Keane, Viera during his Arsenal glory and Emerson at Juventus. The role is a demanding and increasingly key one in modern football. What Sissoko has over all of them, making up for deficiencies in his rapidly improving ball control, is his ability to run and run. When he leaves training he runs to his car, drives home, and then runs to the door, up the steps and in the bath. Or you might believe it such is his apparent love of running. He'd chase a paper bag in a hurricane and stomp on it for defying him. When Rafa signed him and stated that he could be better than Viera I thought 'Yeah right' but although he can't match him for skill, passing and the ability to turn defence in to attack, yet, such is his defensive value and sheer hard graft that his contributions to the cause are beginning to approach the level that Viera achieved for Arsenal.
 

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Fowler is back in the number 9 top which is great news for him and Gonzalez moves to the number 11 top.

Interestingly SAF thinks that Chelsea have aimed more for the champions league and therefore premier league will be closer than most think.

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Crewe 0-1 Liverpool at Gresty Road last night. Craig Lindfield (our leading scorer in the FA Youth Cup winning team) scored the only goal.
 
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why free micheal sheilds?well first of all the guy has been in prison in bulgaria and not gotten a fair trial and secondly the guy who allegedly done it has come out and admitted it through his lawyer that in fact it was him who hit the waiter


JLC do u know much about this can you give us some info on what you know
 

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Food for thought.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/07/nshield07.xml

There are posters all across Liverpool plastered on community centres, shops and pubs, peeking out from sitting-room windows up and down the grimy terraced streets. "Innocent", shouts the bold lettering above a photograph of puppy-faced Michael Shields. "This young man is being accused of a crime he did not commit," insist the posters, published by his family. "Please come forward and help."

Since this emotive appeal was printed more than a month ago, Shields, an 18-year-old engineering student from Liverpool's Edge Hill area, has been convicted by a court in Bulgaria of attempting to murder a local fish-and-chip shop worker. Shields, an ardent Liverpool FC fan who was staying in Bulgaria with friends after watching his team win the European Cup in Istanbul, is said to have smashed a paving slab into the head of Martin Georgiev during a drunken fracas at the Black Sea resort of Golden Sands. Mr Georgiev, who suffered significant brain damage after his skull was broken open during the attack, is now unable to work. The court sentenced Shields to 15 years in prison.

In answer to the posters, someone did indeed come forward to help, but to no avail. It was announced during the trial that Graham Sankey, a fellow Liverpool FC fan and apparently a stranger to Shields, had confessed in writing to being the real culprit behind the attack. However, after examining the confession, made on condition that Mr Sankey would not have to stand trial himself, prosecutors decided that he was responsible for assaulting someone else. The refusal of the Bulgarian authorities to take heed of Mr Sankey's admission has sent Liverpudlians into anger overdrive and in the process brought Shields's plight to national attention. His family has begun a yellow ribbon campaign and called on the Government to intervene to save their son.

Their cause has won many supporters. Liverpool footballers have pledged to back Shields - one player, Jamie Carragher, even dedicated his first goal of the season to the teenager - while local businesses have undertaken to boycott Bulgarian goods.

The blanket criticism of Bulgaria's judicial system has infuriated authorities in the Eastern European state and the gathering storm around the case is now threatening to turn it into an international incident. But has Shields indeed been the victim of a miscarriage of justice, or is he a guilty man?

One aspect of the case is not in dispute, and that is what happened to Mr Georgiev, a 25-year-old father of two young children, who on the night of Sunday, May 29, was at work in the Big Ben fish-and-chip shop at the resort. By the early hours of the next morning, the area was bustling with revellers, many of them drunken Liverpool supporters who had returned from their team's historic victory in Istanbul. Among them was Anthony Wilson, 18, who entered the restaurant at about 5am, visibly drunk, and ordered a hot dog and beer.

After first refusing to pay, he sat down and began exchanging insults with two English couples sitting nearby. Wilson's friend, Bradley Thompson, 19, grabbed his drunken compatriot and pulled him away, throwing a few choice epithets over his shoulder for good measure. One of the English men chased after them, but when Wilson and Thompson responded by pelting him with bottles he then returned to arm himself with a couple of improvised missiles from the drinks cabinet in the fish-and-chip shop.

Mr Georgiev went outside to try to calm the situation. He told the court that the last thing he remembers seeing was a fair-haired man wearing a white shirt, whom he later identified as Shields, run up and punch him in the face. Wilson, Thompson and, apparently, Shields, then set about teaching Mr Georgiev a lesson in what English teenagers abroad are wont to do when drunk: adminstering vicious beatings.

Three Bulgarian witnesses told the court that they saw Shields pick up an 8lb paving slab and bring it down on Mr Georgiev's head, while Wilson and Thompson laid into him with hefty kicks. Daniela Krumova, a waitress working at Big Ben's, identified Shields as the person who hit Mr Georgiev with the slab. "He was like mad," she said, "out of control."

According to Ms Krumova, Shields held the slab with both hands above his head and threw it at Mr Georgiev's head with all his might. The strength of the impact was such that the stone bounced off the victim's head.

Danail Yordanov, also working at Big Ben's, recognised Shields as the person who hit Mr Georgiev with the slab. However, he said that he had not seen Shields's face from the front but only in profile.

Vassil Todorov, who was in Big Ben's at the time of the incident, told the court that he saw Shields taking part in the fight. "He was standing over Martin Georgiev and had foam coming out of his mouth," he said.

After the attack, the police were called and told by Mr Todorov that an Englishman at the scene had said the assailants were staying at the Kristal hotel. The next morning a number of English fans, including those staying at the hotel, were rounded up by the police. Shields was among them, as were his friends Kieron Dunne, 20, and John Unsworth, 21. All three had been sharing room 419. Room 421 next door had been occupied by Wilson and Thompson, who were friends of Mr Sankey, until both had been evicted by the hotel management earlier for disturbing other guests. The two groups had become friendly and had spent previous mornings on their neighbouring balconies comparing notes from the night's revelries.

This morning was different, however. Their passports seized by the police, Mr Dunne, Mr Unsworth and Shields were asked to don white shirts and take part in an identity parade. None had been wearing a white shirt the night before, although Shields's was cream-coloured.

Another man who was detained, although only briefly, was Mr Sankey, a 20-year-old electrician. Since he had dark hair and did not fit the description given to the police he was allowed to go free.

Shields was not so lucky. He was repeatedly picked out by witnesses in identity parades, taken off for further questioning and later charged with the attack on Mr Georgiev. His friends, meanwhile, caught their flight back to Britain in the expectation, they said later, that Shields would be released and follow on a later plane.

Within days, Shields's parents, Maria and Michael, were protesting their son's innocence to the media and making much noise about the "intolerable" conditions in which he was being detained. They insisted the teenager was a "gentle giant" who would never hurt anyone; there must have been some kind of mistake.

The Shields family mobilised their son's friends to return to Bulgaria and give evidence. Central to Shields's defence was his claim, backed up by Mr Dunne, Mr Unsworth and others, that he had been tucked up in bed by 3am on the morning of May 30 and therefore could not have carried out the attack, which was said to have happened about two hours later.

By early July, friends of the Shields family were also already pointing fingers at Mr Sankey as the "real culprit" - a charge that he emphatically denied. The trial was set for July 21, with Wilson also due to face charges of hooliganism and possession of cannabis.

Significantly, Thompson, who had also been charged with hooliganism, had already made a confession, for which he had received a six-month suspended sentence, after confirming that he had attacked Mr Georgiev together with Wilson and Shields. However, when the trial began and Thompson was called to give evidence, he gave a highly contradictory and muddled account of events.

In front of two judges and three jury members, Thompson said he did not know Shields, despite the fact that he had stayed in a room next to his at the hotel. Backtracking on his own confession, he said that he had only seen the fight from far away and ran off after a brick was thrown at someone's head by someone with "brownish hair" whom he did not know. In so testifying, he had effectively ruled out Mr Sankey as the culprit, since he was someone whom he knew well.

As the other defence witnesses trooped in to give evidence regarding Shields's whereabouts at 3am, it became obvious that a surprisingly large number of his friends had seen him peacefully asleep at that time - even those who were not staying in the same room. All sorts of reasons were given for their having stumbled into the apparently unlocked room where they had, they said, seen his prone form before retreating. One had gone to the room thinking that there might be a party there, only to be disappointed to find every-one was tucked up in bed, while another had dropped by to retrieve his mobile telephone, and so on.

One defence witness, Paul Graney, pointed the finger at Mr Sankey, although his testimony was anything but conclusive. Mr Graney said: "He never said that he did not hit anybody, but neither had he said he did hit somebody." Both Graney and Shields had denied being related, but eventually Shields was forced to admit that they were "kind of cousins".

Then came the bombshell that catapulted the case into the headlines: from the safety of Britain, Mr Sankey issued a confession via his solicitor that he was indeed the man who had nearly killed Mr Georgiev. Mr Sankey was not, however, prepared to stand trial. His expectation seemed to be that Shields would now be set free and the matter forgotten about.

The defence, naturally, seized upon the admission. But the court's judges seemed less impressed, prompting intercontinental outcries of incredulity. What nobody seemed to ask was why the court should accept a confession that ran counter to all the known facts of the case. In his statement, Mr Sankey claimed that: "I saw three men running at me with bottles and bricks in their hands. I panicked and stupidly picked up a brick and threw it in the direction of the men running towards me. I saw the brick hit one of them. I panicked and I turned and ran away and returned to the hotel."

How Mr Sankey could be so certain that the man he had injured was Mr Georgiev was puzzling. Certainly the Bulgarian's injuries, which included having a three-inch section of his skull staved out with something far more substantial than a lofted brick, were inconsistent with Mr Sankey's account.

The prosecution witnesses saw a man, whom they believed was Shields, smash a paving slab on Mr Georgiev's head. Even if they had mistakenly identified Shields, Mr Sankey's version was not in keeping with their accounts.

Last week, Mr Sankey and Thompson were unavailable for comment. Wilson, who was given a suspended sentence for his role in the attack, is still in Bulgaria. Others were keen, however, to keep the pressure up for Shields to be released. Mr Unsworth, an apprentice pipefitter who had been rounded up by police at the Kristal hotel, dismissed the inconsistencies in Mr Sankey's confession. "Sankey is just saying that he threw a brick, but I spoke to a lad who was there and he saw him smash the brick on the guy's head," he said.

And why had Mr Sankey suddenly confessed? Mr Unsworth shrugged. "Probably he thought it would not go this far, and then when it did his conscience got the better of him."

Whatever the truth, the case is an unedifying one and reflects poorly on Liverpool's football supporters. Mr Unsworth summed up the unsavoury feeling about the whole affair. He sympathised with his friend left in prison, he said, but had little pity for Mr Georgiev. "I felt sorry for him at first, but by insisting it was Michael that attacked him he is just trying to get his compensation money. Anyway, he only came out of the fish-and-chip shop to help out the Germans who were out there."
 

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Michael Shield might or might not have been guilty, but the law is the law over that part of the world, it's not for us outsiders to decide who is innocent or not, but the court.
 

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I dont know that much about it but all i can say is that there are quite a few signs in the Liverpool area with free Michael Shields etc etc

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To be honest I dont really care. So this stranger who I dont know and lives a million miles away supports the same team I do. Just because he too is a Liverpool fan, why should I care what happens to him. If he is innocent then yeah that sucks but there seems to be a whole lot of evidence against him. So maybe he is guilty. Either way I will probably never know and really, the whole incident has nothing to do with my life and has no real importance to me in particular. Im sure it's very hard for the victims family and the Shields family and i have sympathy for both but at the end of the day, it has no bearing on my life.

But Michael Shields and I both support Liverpool. Thats great.

Oh and CARN THE REDS!
 

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Bellamy and Pennant.

Ouch!

Not only are they both average, non top 4 team footballers, they're both 'twats' (that seems to be a popular word around here, even though I don't know what it means).

Rafagarten Cop will need to be in top form.
 

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Okay, where's Lee Sharpe, we might as well buy him then. Lee Bowyer, let's go back in for him. Anelka, too. Bring Paul Ince back while we're at it
 
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