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I'll take the bait here, because I took Garner with my first pick (second of the draft).
Was not my intention to bait. Both great bowlers and I dont care where they were picked when judging the sides

If Garner is ranked 2 all time of all ODI players then Marshall should have gone much earlier than 80.


In tests, you could mount a good claim that Marshall was the greatest quick bowler of all time. ODIs are a slightly different story. Garner is clearly the greatest ODI quick of all time.

ODI Stats Comparison:

Marshall:
Bowling average - 26.96
Strike rate - 45.7
Economy rate - 3.53

Garner
Bowling average - 18.84
Strike rate - 36.5
Economy - 3.09

Garner clearly has a better average and SR than Marshall, which means he takes MORE wickets than Marshall while conceding LESS runs than Marshall.

Although their ERs are similar in appearance, there is still almost a 0.5 run per over difference between the two. Over ten overs, that means Garner concedes almost 5 less runs than Marshall. Extended to 50 overs, it means a bowling attack of Garners would concede almost 25 runs less than a bowling attack of Marshalls. That makes a big difference in an ODI.

So, clearly there is a bit of difference between Marshall and Garner....
Statistics can be misleading. (Haddin > Marsh, just so wrong)

Garner played 6 games on the sub continent, Marshall 27.
Garner played 12 games in NZ, Marshall 2(at end of career).

Swap those games around and the numbers would tighten a lot.

Both were great ODI bowlers BTW as was Holding and Ambrose. You would be happy with any of them as a spearhead.

Marshall slipped to 80, again great bargain. Surely you cant dispute this.
 

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Both were great ODI bowlers BTW as was Holding and Ambrose. You would be happy with any of them as a spearhead.

Marshall slipped to 80, again great bargain. Surely you cant dispute this.
I'd be happy with Holding, Ambrose AND Marshall ;)

I'm not claiming that he is the best ODI bowler of all time, but his record and reputation are superb regardless. I think he was a bargain this late.
 
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Was not my intention to bait. Both great bowlers and I dont care where they were picked when judging the sides

If Garner is ranked 2 all time of all ODI players then Marshall should have gone much earlier than 80.




Statistics can be misleading. (Haddin > Marsh, just so wrong)

Garner played 6 games on the sub continent, Marshall 27.
Garner played 12 games in NZ, Marshall 2(at end of career).

Swap those games around and the numbers would tighten a lot.

Both were great ODI bowlers BTW as was Holding and Ambrose. You would be happy with any of them as a spearhead.

Marshall slipped to 80, again great bargain. Surely you cant dispute this.
I respectfully disagree ( I don't want to piss a judge off :)) I think the fact that Garner and Marshall were basically contemporaries makes the comparison very valid. And as for where they played their games, I don't think it matters too much. The difference in their average and SR is quite pronounced in Garner's favour in ODIs.

I think it was Garner's height that made him the ODI bowler he was. When the bowler is trying to not concede runs, and the batsman is aware that he needs to score them, being 9 foot tall helps a lot. He could jam yorkers in like no one else before or since. He nearly made scoring impossible at times (which creates pressure = wickets = best average and SR for Garner).

I'm definitely not saying Marshall should have gone as late as he did. In tests he would be in my best all time XI. Perhaps not in one dayers though.

The pace bowlers who went ahead of Marshall in this exercise were:

Garner
Akram
McGrath
Pollock
Imran
Ambrose
Waqar
Lillee
Bond
Holding
Donald
Lee
Vaas
Ntini
McDermott
Gillespie
Akhtar
Gough

I'd say right down to Lee it's reasonable that any of them were taken ahead of Marshall. After Lee, Marshall was a good buy.
 

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My next pick, is a player who played number 6 a little bit in his career (mostly 4 or 5), but averaged a touch under 40

Dosnt provide an awful lot in the field unfortunately


Inzamam-ul-Haq

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40570.html

And that settles my 11

1. Chris Gayle
2. Herschelle Gibbs
3. Sir Vivian Richards (c)
4. Kumar Sangakkara (+)
5. Aravinda de Silva
6. Inzamam Ul Haq
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Sir Richard Hadlee
9. Daniel Vettori
10. Darren Gough
11. Chaminda Vaas

There is still some talent out there, so this 11 might change
 

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My line-up so far now that I've updated my Marshall/Yuvraj post...

1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Rahul Dravid (+)
4. Greg Chappell
5. Sir Garry Sobers
6. Yuvraj Singh
7. Imran Khan
8. Malcolm Marshall
9. Saeed Ajmal
10. Curtly Ambrose
11. Michael Holding

A press conference will be held later this evening regarding the captaincy, which has been open to debate since the draft began. (Yes, loved the article a few pages back and am stealing the idea...banter, anyone? ;) )
 

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My line-up so far now that I've updated my Marshall/Yuvraj post...

1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Rahul Dravid (+)
4. Greg Chappell
5. Sir Garry Sobers
6. Yuvraj Singh
7. Imran Khan
8. Malcolm Marshall
9. Saeed Ajmal
10. Curtly Ambrose
11. Michael Holding

A press conference will be held later this evening regarding the captaincy, which has been open to debate since the draft began. (Yes, loved the article a few pages back and am stealing the idea...banter, anyone? ;) )

I am going to raise this point right now. Anyone looked at Sobers ODI stats? If not here they are, games:1 innings:1 runs:0 overs:10.3 runs:31 wickets:1.

As you can see he didn't even score a single run in ODI's and if we're basing it on ODI's alone then Thorne89 has probably got himself into a lot of trouble without realising it. I think he be disadvantaged heavily with The fact of ODI's coz he has an average of 0 (batting). I think Thorne89 just jumped to the conclusion without thoroughly going through the stats and now finds himself in trouble.
 

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I am going to raise this point right now. Anyone looked at Sobers ODI stats? If not here they are, games:1 innings:1 runs:0 overs:10.3 runs:31 wickets:1.

As you can see he didn't even score a single run in ODI's and if we're basing it on ODI's alone then Thorne89 has probably got himself into a lot of trouble without realising it. I think he be disadvantaged heavily with The fact of ODI's coz he has an average of 0 (batting). I think Thorne89 just jumped to the conclusion without thoroughly going through the stats and now finds himself in trouble.
I acknowledged this fact in the post where I named him as a player.

His List A stats will be taken into consideration regarding his potential, but at a lower standard than ODI stats.

Don't worry, thorne89 has taken this into consideration. No more will be said about this matter until the latter press conference which has been called for tonight. ;)
 

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I'll take Ian Healy to round out my XI. One of the best glove men of all time and aggressive lower order hitter (just pipped Kalu for this spot).

Gives me a starting XI of
Jayasuria
M.Waugh
Crowe
Miandad
Symonds
Rhodes
Healy
Akram
Qadir
Roberts
McGrath
 

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Shakib Al Hasan


http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56143.html

Something a bit different I guess, but I got plenty of fast bowlers, and yeah 1 great spinner and a couple of OK ones. This guy averages over 34 in batting and averages 28 with the ball. I like having variety in my bowling attack. Yeah yeah I know he plays for Bangladesh but so what, arguably the best player Bangladesh has produced. Pleased to have another pretty good spinner in my side as I got plenty of good quicks. I also needed a lower order player (not sure where he bats, probably about 8 for me) as my tail is pretty weak batting wise.

I'm quite pleased with the selection even though he may not be a massive name, he has nice averages.
Just checked, I think he bats like pretty early haha...ah well.


1. Sourav Ganguly
2. Brendan McCullum (wk)
3. Virat Kohli
4. Shane Watson (vc)
5. Michael Clarke (c)
6. Michael Bevan
7. Lance Klusener
8. Shakib Al Hasan
9. Muttiah Muralidaran
10. Craig McDermott
11. Dennis Lillee
 

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I don't wanna!

Fine. Charmander.

But seriously, I'll take Chris Cairns. Decent bowler, pretty good aggressive batsman. Trying to just think of people now instead of researching stats, I think he's got roughly 30 for batting 30 for bowling (read it a while back and went off memory. I just checked then though which I probably should/could have done just as I was typing this, about 30 average batting and 32 bowling. Bowling wasn't as good as I thought).
 

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Shakib Al Hasan


http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56143.html

Something a bit different I guess, but I got plenty of fast bowlers, and yeah 1 great spinner and a couple of OK ones. This guy averages over 34 in batting and averages 28 with the ball. I like having variety in my bowling attack. Yeah yeah I know he plays for Bangladesh but so what, arguably the best player Bangladesh has produced. Pleased to have another pretty good spinner in my side as I got plenty of good quicks. I also needed a lower order player (not sure where he bats, probably about 8 for me) as my tail is pretty weak batting wise.
I'm a big fan of this guy, great pick.
 

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IMRAN: VICTORY IS INEVITABLE
thorne89 eases fan concern over controversial Sobers signing



Unsurprisingly, hot new franchise the 'Balli Boomers' tonight announced that Pakistani superstar and fan favourite Imran Khan will be handed the honour of inaugural captaincy for the 2012 BigFooty Fantasy Cricket Season. In a press conference that was headed by Chairman thorne89, Khan raised eyebrows by entering the room with the 1992 World Cup (pictured above), proclaiming that his previous successes as an International captain indicated that success for his new team was inevitable.

"When you looks at our bowlers, you can see why my confidence is sky high. Holding...Ambrose...Marshall...even Garry (Sobers) and myself. I'm sure glad I won't be on the receiving end of such a battery."

When asked about how he felt to be in charge of the greatest ODI batsman of all time, Khan seemed unaffected. "You know, Sachin is a massive name to have on the team list...there is like, nine letters in his surname."

thorne89 felt the need to interject at this juncture. "What Imran is trying to say is that we do not merely rely on Sachin to score our runs; Rahul provides over 10,000 runs of ODI experience, for example."

When asked about Dravid's keeping ability, thorne89 had this to add. "The 2003 World Cup was the perfect example of how tweaking a keeper in favour of a superstar batsman can sway a game's balance in your favour...of course it is a risk, yes; but this is limited overs fantasy cricket; risks win you games. We saw this as a risk worth taking."

On the topic of risks, another journalist questioned the selection of Sobers on what seemed more like potential than ODI performance. thorne89 promptly stormed out of the conference, and sent Curtly Ambrose into the room in his place.

"Mr. Ambrose, what do you have to say about the selection of Sobers?"

Curtly slowly rose from the table, and stared at the journalist with his menacing eyes; filling the room with his Demon-like presence.

The press conference was terminated immediately. Whether or not this controversial selection will pay off will only become evident with time.

Thursday, March 1, 2012.
 

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Round 11
1. thorne89 - Yuvraj Singh
2. courtjester - Allan Border
3. Glinn McGraw - Darren Lehmann
4. Gak Attack - JP Duminy
5. saintkildaman - David Hussey
6. happy_eagle - Inzamam-ul-Huq
7. Surkin - Ian Healy
8. FreoFanMundy - Shakib al Hasan

Round 12
1. FreoFanMundy - Chris Cairns
2. Surkin - On the Clock
3. happy_eagle
4. saintkildaman
5. Gak Attack
6. Glinn McGraw
7. courtjester
8. thorne89
 

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Clive Lloyd (West Indies)

Very happy to be picking up Big Clive this late in the draft. His ODI record is phenomenal. Averaged 39 at a strike rate over 80 from 87 ODI's. He was also an astute captain having captained the Windies to two world cup victories scoring a century himself in 79.
 

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Current side

1. Sanath Jayasuria
2. Mark Waugh
3. Martin Crowe
4. Javed Miandad
5. Clive Lloyd (c)
6. Andrew Symonds
7. Ian Healy
8. Wasim Akram
9. Abdul Qadir
10. Andy Roberts
11. Glenn McGrath
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12. Jonty Rhodes (the super sub)
 

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Another great steal in the 11th round.

Statistically not much between a top 5 pick and an 11th rounder (see below), but as I mentioned before stats dont tell the whole story.

But Inzi was a very good player and was awesome in 92 world cup and a very good get in the 11th round

Code:
378     350     53     11739     137*     39.52     74.24     10     83
299     289     32     10405     169      40.48     79.51     19     63
Some good picks in the 11th and 12th rounds so far.
 

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Current side

1. Sanath Jayasuria
2. Mark Waugh
3. Martin Crowe
4. Javed Miandad
5. Clive Lloyd (c)
6. Andrew Symonds
7. Ian Healy
8. Wasim Akram
9. Abdul Qadir
10. Andy Roberts
11. Glenn McGrath
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12. Jonty Rhodes (the super sub)
I would like to see batsmen try to pinch a single with Symonds, Lloyd, Rhodes and Waugh prowling the field. Awesome fielding side.

I would maybe make a slight change to the batting order though.
 

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I'm liking these articles. If everyone can post their captains, we may be able to have a Press Conference prior to the start of the tournament.
Could be a problem there for me.

Captaincy Showdown!
Heated exchanges inside the Gak Attack XI camp as captaincy is debated.



LAUNCESTON, AUSTRALIA - With just several more picks remaining for Tasmanian based powerhouse team Gak Attack XI in the Fantasy BF Draft a leadership battle has erupted, dwarfing that seen in Canberra in the last week. Would be captains Ricky Ponting, Steve Waugh, Kapil Dev, Alec Stewart, Shaun Pollock and Shivnarine Chanderpaul all putting their hand up.

One of the few happy to sit the battle out is former Pakistani skipper and Gak Attack XI opening bowler Waqar Younis who had this to say "WTF is Chanderpaul doing putting his name up? Did he even manage to beat Zimbabwe?". Opening batsman Virender Sehwag added 'I probably should be captain anyway but I will just concentrate on myself'.

Manager Gak informed the press this morning that the captaincy will be voted on by the players once the squad is completed, Ricky Ponting however claims there is no need 'I have won two World Cups as captain, this is an ODI tournament is it not? There shouldn't even be a discussion'. Another contender Kapil Dev shot back at Ponting claiming even a dumb shit like Dave Warner could of taken the team Ponting captained to success. Both however were in fits of giggles when told about Alec Stewarts intention to run.

Strangely quite throughout the leadership tensions has been Steve Waugh. Calm and watchful of the other contenders as he awaits the captaincy vote, perhaps qualities of a real leader? We await the announcement of Gak Attack IX captain in the coming days.
 
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