The BigFooty Liverpool Army - Part 22

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Very ordinary. Carrol needs to score early and we probably stroll away, as easy a chance as they come and he hits it over the top... that being said he was OK besides that, he did what was asked of him when the ball was kicked to him but some genius be it coaching staff or the players on the pitch don't bother to have anyone for him to head the ball down to.. so why ****ing kick it to him?

Johnson, please get out of the starting team, can't defend, lost his pace and Kelly even offers more offensively these days I think.

Finally, Henderson should never start a game we actually wish to win.
 

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With the amount of money spent on this Liverpool side we should of easily beaten both promoted sides. Don't see us beating Chelsea or Man City.
 

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Adam

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Our full backs are breaking and we were getting into good areas and putting balls in the box. Even Lucas was trying to break into the box and get to the end of them. What was Adam doing? ****ing STROLLING in the middle of the park

If he really thinks he can play central midfield by spraying the occasional good ball (very few and far between) without putting in a shift, getting the workrate in or do any defensive work, then he can **** right off
 

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Adam

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Our full backs are breaking and we were getting into good areas and putting balls in the box. Even Lucas was trying to break into the box and get to the end of them. What was Adam doing? ****ing STROLLING in the middle of the park

If he really thinks he can play central midfield by spraying the occasional good ball (very few and far between) without putting in a shift, getting the workrate in or do any defensive work, then he can **** right off
He does play some very good balls (a couple inside the Swansea full-backs tonight were great) but I agree, he does lack pace and mobility. That is where we miss Gerrard and his dynamism.
 

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I don't want a central midfielder whose only redeeming feature is spraying 5-6 good balls every game and sweet FA otherwise

I said it last week and I'm say it again, he has done nothing to justify keeping Spearing out of the side

Henderson was seriously shit with his half of football today, too.
 
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Johnson, please get out of the starting team, can't defend, lost his pace and Kelly even offers more offensively these days I think.

Finally, Henderson should never start a game we actually wish to win.
Fair point. All the injuries might have taken their toll. But then again he might just look slow because he is one helluva lazy footballer. Notice Kuyt was often dropping back to cover his arse.

Overall, that was dire. Other than the debacle at Spurs that was our worst effort of the season. A pretty good first 20 minutes and a belated flurry right the end don't compensate for being outpassed by a promoted team on our own pitch.

I'd say that unless we pull off a shock win against either Chelsea or Man City in our next 2 games then we can forget top 4. Yep, even by the end of November. That is unless the owners cough up another 100m in January but by then it could be too late.
 

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I would rather that. I don't want Adam and Henderson anywhere near the starting side atm.

Same back four for Chelsea nad City, maybe with Kelly in for Johnson
 

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I'd say that unless we pull off a shock win against either Chelsea or Man City in our next 2 games then we can forget top 4. Yep, even by the end of November. That is unless the owners cough up another 100m in January but by then it could be too late.
We're going to have to pull off some unexpected away wins to compensate for all of the dropped points at home...

Fourth is going to be difficult, we just don't score enough goals. Neither Tottenham nor Arsenal are great defensively but they always have goals in them. We'll hold up reasonably okay defensively but for all our chances, just don't carry the same attacking threat.
 

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I miss those games when Mereiles, Maxi, Kuyt and Suarez would have that fantastic movement all over the place, run and play off each other. While Spearing acts as everyone's legs, move the ball quickly, and Lucas anchors the midfield.

Now what do we have? An immobile Adam, Henderson who's out of his depth, Downing who is timid and shit, and Carroll who plays nothing like the type of football we need to play

Kenny changed what made us great 2nd half of last season, and it's not a good change
 

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Last season Kenny had us playing above our level and now that the "Kenny factor" has worn off we're being found out for having an average squad.
 

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We have an even worse squad than 2nd half of last season though. Losing Mereiles and replacing him with squds like Henderson and Adam, then Downing gets a game when he isn't even a better player than Maxi. Less said about Carroll for most games the better
 

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I miss those games when Mereiles, Maxi, Kuyt and Suarez would have that fantastic movement all over the place, run and play off each other. While Spearing acts as everyone's legs, move the ball quickly, and Lucas anchors the midfield.

Now what do we have? An immobile Adam, Henderson who's out of his depth, Downing who is timid and shit, and Carroll who plays nothing like the type of football we need to play

Kenny changed what made us great 2nd half of last season, and it's not a good change
Comes down to recruiting. Never rated Downing, nor Carroll. Adam is not a big club player either IMO, maybe a Villa/Everton/Sunderland sort of player.

Last season Kenny had us playing above our level and now that the "Kenny factor" has worn off we're being found out for having an average squad.
Well, yes. You need a real injection of quality imo. Some proper wingers, Meireles needs to be replaced in January or next summer, and you need a better left winger than Downing.

Im too annoyed and frustrated to even go into it right now. Nowhere near top 4 material this season.
At least you aren't deluded and can actually admit the squad is not up to scratch.
 

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ATM the midfield 4 of Henderson Adam Lucas Downing is playing like the most unimaginative, uncreative bunch of no hopers you would ever hope to see in a attacking sense. Questions have to be asked why. Individually three of those players have shown great attacking play and intent for there past clubs. At Liverpool the closest they get to goal is when they go to a video store to rent the DVD.

As much as you want to blame the players some of the attention has to shift to Kenny. Fact is you have 3 new players in the team and it just doesnt gel in any sense at all. Downing sends in no hope crosses. Henderson drifts around aimlessly while Charlie Adam would have to be the deepest lying creative midfielder in EPL history. Some of this has to come on the managers shoulders. He has to eventually get the players aside and explain to them a particular role. ATM all he seems to be doing is naming 4 players and saying "just do what ya want". Tell players that and they will drift into bad habits and or past habits. Adam is still playing his Blackpool role, Downing is still playing his Aston Villa role and Henderson is still playing his Sunderland role which is all well and nice except for the fact every single of one of those teams play a complete different style to what you want to be playing.

Adam is playing as a deep lying central playmaker. Henderson is playing as a RW who drifts in and creates space for his strikers (Gyan of past) to run into and Downing is running and sending in early crosses into what last season was a fairly crowded box (Villa committed alot more bodys forward into the box then you do)

Kenny needs to tell Adam to push into the front third. Needs to tell Henderson to stay right and provide some width and he needs to tell Downing to start cutting in more, playing a bit more central and running at his defender a bit more then he currently is. If he doesnt your going to continue to have a disjointed midfield
 

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ATM the midfield 4 of Henderson Adam Lucas Downing is playing like the most unimaginative, uncreative bunch of no hopers you would ever hope to see in a attacking sense. Questions have to be asked why. Individually three of those players have shown great attacking play and intent for there past clubs. At Liverpool the closest they get to goal is when they go to a video store to rent the DVD.

As much as you want to blame the players some of the attention has to shift to Kenny. Fact is you have 3 new players in the team and it just doesnt gel in any sense at all. Downing sends in no hope crosses. Henderson drifts around aimlessly while Charlie Adam would have to be the deepest lying creative midfielder in EPL history. Some of this has to come on the managers shoulders. He has to eventually get the players aside and explain to them a particular role. ATM all he seems to be doing is naming 4 players and saying "just do what ya want". Tell players that and they will drift into bad habits and or past habits. Adam is still playing his Blackpool role, Downing is still playing his Aston Villa role and Henderson is still playing his Sunderland role which is all well and nice except for the fact every single of one of those teams play a complete different style to what you want to be playing.

Adam is playing as a deep lying central playmaker. Henderson is playing as a RW who drifts in and creates space for his strikers (Gyan of past) to run into and Downing is running and sending in early crosses into what last season was a fairly crowded box (Villa committed alot more bodys forward into the box then you do)

Kenny needs to tell Adam to push into the front third. Needs to tell Henderson to stay right and provide some width and he needs to tell Downing to start cutting in more, playing a bit more central and running at his defender a bit more then he currently is. If he doesnt your going to continue to have a disjointed midfield
You should apply for the job, champ :thumbsu:
 

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Downing put in a great early cross to Carroll, Carroll doesn't hit the crossbar from 6 yards out and the likelihood is that we go on to win comfortably. 14 goals in 11 games while probably missing just as many gilt-edged chances. We're going to batter someone soon but by then it will be too late...
 

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Downing put in a great early cross to Carroll, Carroll doesn't hit the crossbar from 6 yards out and the likelihood is that we go on to win comfortably. 14 goals in 11 games while probably missing just as many gilt-edged chances. We're going to batter someone soon but by then it will be too late...
On that same token Swansea also missed some very easy chances.Gower miss in the 80th odd minute was very very shocking. Its a two sided thing you have to realise. In the end its hard to say you were unlucky. Swansea earnt that draw fair and square
 

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On that same token Swansea also missed some very easy chances.Gower miss in the 80th odd minute was very very shocking. Its a two sided thing you have to realise. In the end its hard to say you were unlucky. Swansea earnt that draw fair and square
Swansea did well and deserved the draw in the end.

I'm just conjecturing that an early goal at home against a side with a poor away record would have released the pressure, given Liverpool confidence and likely have resulted in a fairly comfortable victory.

The same thing happened against Norwich a few weeks ago, i.e., hitting the crossbar very early on when, again, a goal at that time against that kind of opponent would have made things very difficult for the opposition.

But we just aren't ruthless enough and it is why we will probably finish 6th.
 

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Swansea did well and deserved the draw in the end.

I'm just conjecturing that an early goal at home against a side with a poor away record would have released the pressure, given Liverpool confidence and likely have resulted in a fairly comfortable victory.

The same thing happened against Norwich a few weeks ago, i.e., hitting the crossbar very early on when, again, a goal at that time against that kind of opponent would have made things very difficult for the opposition.

But we just aren't ruthless enough and it is why we will probably finish 6th.
Think its ignoring the bigger picture to an extent. Every team in EPL history bar Derby could come out and say "if we finished off our goal scoring opportunities better we would have more points". Sometimes its about creating better opportunities, sometimes its about having a wider range of goal scoring options. Somtimes its about breaking down a opposition as opposed to controlling them which seems to be Kennys style of archaic thinking.

I think the reason you wont finish in the top 4 is because your midfield isnt good enough, your defense is inconsistent and your front two are expected too do too much of the work, Suarez and Carroll are your only two goal threats this season. Not only that Suarez for the most part has been your best creative player of the year to boot. Its a bit of failing prophecy to have your best creator and best finisher be the same player is it not. Alot more questions have to be asked then currently are

Seems to me everyone is accepting the fate a bit too easily. Kenny should be under alot more pressure then he is
 

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Think its ignoring the bigger picture to an extent. Every team in EPL history bar Derby could come out and say "if we finished off our goal scoring opportunities better we would have more points". Sometimes its about creating better opportunities, sometimes its about having a wider range of goal scoring options. Somtimes its about breaking down a opposition as opposed to controlling them which seems to be Kennys style of archaic thinking.

I think the reason you wont finish in the top 4 is because your midfield isnt good enough, your defense is inconsistent and your front two are expected too do too much of the work, Suarez and Carroll are your only two goal threats this season. Not only that Suarez for the most part has been your best creative player of the year to boot. Its a bit of failing prophecy to have your best creator and best finisher be the same player is it not. Alot more questions have to be asked then currently are

Seems to me everyone is accepting the fate a bit too easily. Kenny should be under alot more pressure then he is
The opportunities are there, just being wasted. We had 25 shots against Norwich and had enough decent opportunities to win that game four times over. We had plenty more good opportunities against Stoke and Swansea but didn't score in either game. We have hit the woodwork 12 times in 11 games or something. The chances have been there.

Defence is still dodgy but defending in general isn't as good anymore. We've actually got the equal second-best defensive record so far (and four of the 10 goals we've conceded came in the one game). I think that ultimately we will hold up ok defensively, it's just a question of whether we can score enough goals.
 

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Which of Henderson Adam Lucas Downing is supposed to be a goal mouth threat though? Of course your going to waste chances when they are predictable and easy to close down. ATM you have two players out of 11 capable of scoring a goal/finishing and its becoming a bit predictable to defend against

Vorm last night was everywhere because Suarez would receive the ball, position himself in a way where he can only get the shot of in a particular area. He would shoot it there and by the time his shot is off Vorm has moved to that position and is ready to cover. I really dont recall you missing a open goal or missing a deadset sitter TBH. You missed alot of opportunities but alot of them arnt gimmies or walk the ball into the net style chances.

Your goal scoring chart this year reads

Luis Suárez 4
Andrew Carroll 2
Charlie Adam 2
Steven Gerrard 1
Craig Bellamy 1
Martin Skrtel 1

2 of those are penalties. Bellamy goal came when he was playing upfront. That means your midfield has contributed 3 goals , 2 assists and your defense 1 to the overall total. I doubt any team in the league has a worse production from its midfield then that. Infact Ashley Young reached that total in one game vs Arsenal :)
 

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Just because the keeper ends up saving it, it doesn't mean it wasn't a gimme. But to answer your question, Carroll's miss last night was a sitter. We wasted several gilt-edged chances in the Norwich game. Henderson missed when clean through, one-on-one at Stoke. Carroll has missed some fantastic opportunities from headers. Suarez for all his ability has also missed quite a few chances. That's just off the top of my head. Don't forget, we've also missed two penalties (Suarez vs. Sunderland, Kuyt at Everton).

We aren't getting enough goals from midfield. I would have expected Downing to have produced a goal or two by now. Henderson has one goal and probably should have at least one or two more. Gerrard has obviously been injured so once he gets a run of games then hopefully he can chip in with a few. I'm surprised we haven't given Maxi more of a chance given his goalscoring form towards the end of last season.
 

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All your chances are missed by the same two people. Hendersons one on one miss vs Stoke aside its pretty rare Suarez and Carroll are not on the end of it. Predictability is easy to defend against really. It also puts a hell of alot of physical and mental pressure on the two men expected to supply all the goals.

Can you name me any player in the league that gets surrounded more then Suarez does by opposition defenders? Cant think of anyone. Harder to finish with those circumstances really
 
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