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Ings absolutely should have been loaned, that is even more obvious now. Sturridge is way ahead of Origi, lol, if you thought Sturridge was "lazy", well, he runs more than Origi.
 

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Wasn't it against some shit side in the league cup

I don't think Origi's been great as a sub in the league so far
Yeah I think both goals have been League Cup goals. He hasnt had much of a chance in the league though. 5 mins here or there. The thing is, if we bring in Ings, he will just be getting the same minutes anyways.

Plus late in games when the game is stretched and if we're in front in particular and the opposition is pushing for a goal, you want Origi's ability to play on the shoulder and his pace to get in behind. So he's more suited to that junk time sub than Ings IMO.
 

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10 mins is all he'll get because he isn't getting in ahead of Firmino and Sturridge upfront. He has to make an impression with those limited time

And when he's played so far it's kinda frustrating how unwilling to pass he is

I don't mind giving Ings a go, good form in the reserves should be rewarded, if anything it could help Origi more playing more full matches in the reserves
 

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10 mins is all he'll get because he isn't getting in ahead of Firmino and Sturridge upfront. He has to make an impression with those limited time

And when he's played so far it's kinda frustrating how unwilling to pass he is

I don't mind giving Ings a go, good form in the reserves should be rewarded, if anything it could help Origi more playing more full matches in the reserves
As I said Origi is more suited to junk time IMO but yeah I wouldnt be at all phased to switch the two and give Ings a shot with late minutes in games and give Origi the full 90 in some U23s games. Although I think Origi would destroy U23s defenses.
 

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Tottenham beat city. We are now 2 points behind City in 3rd with the Spuds jumping us into 2nd. If Arsenal beat Burnley they go above us on GD.
Still 0-0 with Arsenal/Burnley on 49 mins. We're right in the thick of it now, City have come right back to the pack.
 

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I think Sturridge is still very good but I just think he is annoyed that he isnt starting. He can either accept it and get on with it or continue on like he is. Right now he can count himself lucky that he is still in front of Origi.
What do you mean 'continue like he is'? What evidence is there on the pitch that he isn't trying his hardest? If anything he's become more selfless by the way he's been willing to sacrifice his own game for the good of the team.

Sturridge has had to carry this "he doesn't care enough" tag for 2-3 years now and it's grossly unfair because there's just no evidence to support it other than people saying "It's just a vibe I get" etc.
 

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What do you mean 'continue like he is'? What evidence is there on the pitch that he isn't trying his hardest? If anything he's become more selfless by the way he's been willing to sacrifice his own game for the good of the team.

Sturridge has had to carry this "he doesn't care enough" tag for 2-3 years now and it's grossly unfair because there's just no evidence to support it other than people saying "It's just a vibe I get" etc.
I guess it is just a vibe. Maybe he gets harshly judged because he simply doesnt have the tank that Firm, Cout, Lallana etc have.

His body language doesnt do him any favours. We also cant pretend to think that he is happy with his current coming off the bench role. We all know he isnt.
 

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Beat the dirty mancs and get 7 points ahead of them early on in the season would be great, it'd help establish the top 4 and keep pressure at the top

With Studge, it's always been bullshit that he doesn't work hard or he's too selfish, his problem atm is he seems to have lost a yard from all the injuries
 

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Ings has 7 goals in 4 games for the U23s.
Time to give him a run out? Really can't do much more in the U23s, by all accounts his attitude through his recovery has been first rate and I think it would be wise to give him a taste of senior action soon to keep him motivated.
 

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I think Sturridge is afraid he'll get injured so he slows down after about an hour of play.
Which is fine, to be honest I think given the intensity required in that role it's probably not a bad thing to bring fresh legs on around the hour mark - whether that's replacing Sturridge, Firmino or Origi. All look capable of hitting the scoresheet so we don't really lose out too much in terms of quality in that role by rotating them regularly.
 

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Time to give him a run out? Really can't do much more in the U23s, by all accounts his attitude through his recovery has been first rate and I think it would be wise to give him a taste of senior action soon to keep him motivated.
The problem is Origi barely plays let alone Ings.

Do we put Ings on the bench as a sign that he's on the right track and send Origi to the U23s for a bit to get some games under his belt?

I think in Jan we should loan him out and when we get back in a European comp he'll play heaps.
 
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