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Firmino is quickish but he isn't Sterling

And let's face it, Sturridge might very well not be the same physically if he ever comes back fit. Actually if he comes back fit, sustain it and be the same as before then I'm willing to take up Scientology
We've only lost Sterling and his pace is immediately replaced by Ibe who is lightning quick also. Even with the injuries, id expect Sturridge to still be relatively quick. I guess we have to wait and see what kind of player comes back.
 

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We really have to stop building Ibe up too much, he is a very good young player but this culture of overhyping and overpumping our young kids before they've sustained an certain level of performance isn't really healthy
 

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Sturridge and Firmino are pretty quick.
Ibe, Markovic, Henderson all very fast as well, Coutinho's first few steps off the mark are as quick as anyone's, Clyne & Moreno on the outside. We've lost a rapid player in Sterling but even without him I'd say looking at our rivals we probably have the 'quickest' squad in the top 6. No issues there whatsoever for me.
 

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Henderson is a good gut runner but he isn't very fast, our definition of "very fast" seems to be different

The only two with genuine pace are two kids who probably aren't gonna be starters, was the original point. But seeing as we all seem to have a different definition of what genuine pace is, there's like no point talking about this
 

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Interesting that we were after him last summer too without the media knowing
It is interesting. I remember a post I made in October/November last year (I think maybe during a discussion with BlueBen?).. Obviously it was very disappointing that we didn't end up signing Sanchez after selling Suarez, and it was asked 'why didn't we then sign someone else instead?' - definitely a very fair question!

My response was that instead of just throwing money at everyone in the hope of landing anyone to be that 'Suarez replacement', we may have had a specific ranking of targets we were working our way through and whoever was next on that list for whatever reason wasn't available at the time (easy to imagine that list probably contained Sanchez, Firmino & Depay, all players in a fairly similar mould).

Perhaps we'd been given an indication by the club or the player's representative that while he wouldn't be available immediately, this player's contractual situation meant that his availability might change over the next 12 months? Who knows. We obviously paid the price for it in 2014/15 but if it meant we ended up with someone we actually wanted like Firmino or a Depay instead of our 7th or 8th option on that list then I can kind of understand the logic behind waiting.
 

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Henderson is a good gut runner but he isn't very fast, our definition of "very fast" seems to be different

The only two with genuine pace are two kids who probably aren't gonna be starters, was the original point. But seeing as we all seem to have a different definition of what genuine pace is, there's like no point talking about this
I get what you mean, he's no Sterling or Walcott, but for his position (box to box midfielder) I doubt there would be many quicker players in the league than Henderson. He also uses his pace very effectively in terms of timing his runs when he breaks the lines.

And I still think if you look at our rival's squads, man for man we're still the quickest in terms of players with foot speed (even without Sterling) so I don't think it's something we need to worry about all that much.

Then you've also got speed of ball movement, which is obviously something else entirely - but something which when we're on our game I think we do better than most sides.

Composure in front of goal, co-ordinating our transition into defence, defensive positioning - these are the things I worry about when I think about areas we need to improve on and areas which will define whether or not we are successful this season, well before I worry about whether our side is quick enough!
 

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Actually I don't believe we showed many of the things you say we have as above. Take Markovic for example, apparently lightning quick, never showed any of that last season. Way too keen to just pass

And the movement of the whole team as a whole was pretty much non-existent last season, hence the lack of goals

And I think Emre Can is quicker than Henderson in the way he bursts the lines, and I don't think we ever look like the quickest squad in the top 6 especially when you watch us play nowadays. We play slower football. All just measurements on the training track that don't mean much on the football pitch
 

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Chelsea were champions though and I cant think of anyone at Chelsea who has frightening speed. They have some quick players like Hazard and umm... Remy??

Blokes like Willian, Oscar, Matic, Costa, Fabregas etc, none are extremely pacy. Even Hazard would get smoked by Sturridge or Ibe for pace and maybe even Markovic.

Not sure pace is an issue for us.
 

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We really have to stop building Ibe up too much, he is a very good young player but this culture of overhyping and overpumping our young kids before they've sustained an certain level of performance isn't really healthy
It's ok, am pretty sure they don't read bigfooty.
 

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Chelsea were champions though and I cant think of anyone at Chelsea who has frightening speed. They have some quick players like Hazard and umm... Remy??

Blokes like Willian, Oscar, Matic, Costa, Fabregas etc, none are extremely pacy. Even Hazard would get smoked by Sturridge or Ibe for pace and maybe even Markovic.

Not sure pace is an issue for us.
Different game plan though, defence is the bedrock.

We actually rely on pace and movement to generate our scoring threat - which is critical when defence is effectively an afterthought under BR.
 

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Sterling: it's not about the money..

NEK MINNET

Not happy with £100,000 a week!!! What a flog
From the moment his agent threw a hissy fit because we wouldn't pay 140k per week on his new contract it always was about money & nothing else.
 

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I would also like to see us start to whittle down the squad a bit.

Players like Borini, Lambert and Enrique (and maybe Balotelli) are superfluous now and should be moved on.
Love it.

Enrique is a sad case, has almost everything needed for a great left back except a functional brain

I can't see us really spending any more money, even though we really really need a midfield "destroyer" so to speak. All those ball players ain't gonna play if they get bashed by the likes of Charlie Adam in every away game

And the lack of real pace outside of Markovic and Ibe in all the forward options is a bit of a worry as well
I lol'd at this. Thought you should know.

Actually I don't believe we showed many of the things you say we have as above. Take Markovic for example, apparently lightning quick, never showed any of that last season. Way too keen to just pass

And the movement of the whole team as a whole was pretty much non-existent last season, hence the lack of goals

And I think Emre Can is quicker than Henderson in the way he bursts the lines, and I don't think we ever look like the quickest squad in the top 6 especially when you watch us play nowadays. We play slower football. All just measurements on the training track that don't mean much on the football pitch
Disagree on Markovic. Plenty of times he ran by players in the box. When he had that brief purple patch we all got a tad excited at what may come. He is rapid. He is 21. He needs games.
 

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It's ok, am pretty sure they don't read bigfooty.
Unfortunately doesn't just occur in bigfooty, it's done at the local areas, done by our manager, done by the transfer policy.

Disagree on Markovic. Plenty of times he ran by players in the box. When he had that brief purple patch we all got a tad excited at what may come. He is rapid. He is 21. He needs games.
The reason he wasn't getting games was he wasn't taking on players, giving the ball off way too often (even when he blatantly should shoot), and was generally timid

It might change this season, but still not something you'd bank on
 

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We really have to stop building Ibe up too much, he is a very good young player but this culture of overhyping and overpumping our young kids before they've sustained an certain level of performance isn't really healthy
im remaining neutral on Ibe. he has potential, but if we dont make theGHMNPSUUCL* next season, and Ibe performs exceptionally well i can see another club snapping him up.

been hurt too many times.


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Henderson is a good gut runner but he isn't very fast, our definition of "very fast" seems to be different

The only two with genuine pace are two kids who probably aren't gonna be starters, was the original point. But seeing as we all seem to have a different definition of what genuine pace is, there's like no point talking about this
i think you can differentiate overall fastness into speed vs pace. to me speed applies to everything like running, movement in short spaces, and decision making. pace on the other hand implies when they have the ball and movement with the ball.

leg speed refers to how quickly the legs are pumping

I will be there tonight, booing Nasri loud and $terling louder.

Cop that you money hungry flogs!
why boo nasri? he's nothing to lfc.

Does anyone know the squad number for Benteke? If Lambert stays #9 I will say he will get #25
great question. i love it when shirt numbers are released. maybe take 31?
 
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