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Add Karius who by all accounts is also very strong in the air, will hopefully go some way to reducing our susceptibility to conceding soft goals from set pieces. Something I think has been a major weakness for us for the last few years and probably cost us a lot of points.
 

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When he made that cluster**** against West Ham I think about 5 games into the season I was raging. I couldnt believe how shit he was. Then Klopp arrived a while after and transformed him back into a boss CB.
 

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When he made that cluster**** against West Ham I think about 5 games into the season I was raging. I couldnt believe how shit he was. Then Klopp arrived a while after and transformed him back into a boss CB.
That West Ham game was just ridiculous. I would have sanctioned selling him for 5m quid at that point.
 

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If we're paying 30 mil for Mane like the likes of Pearce and Joyce are saying then he better ******* score 15-20 league goals and assist at least 10, that's the only way the money would be justified

Chances are he won't then Soton will buy someone who matches his output for 5 mil or something
 

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If we're paying 30 mil for Mane like the likes of Pearce and Joyce are saying then he better ******* score 15-20 league goals and assist at least 10, that's the only way the money would be justified

Chances are he won't then Soton will buy someone who matches his output for 5 mil or something
Who we will then buy in 1 or 2 years for another 30m
 

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We should just ban ourselves from buying players from the EPL for 5 years and see how we go elsewhere.

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous now.

Also - our positions of greatest need are CM, DM and LB. Yes we also need a pacy winger, but not to the extent of splashing 30M+ quid!
 
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When he made that cluster**** against West Ham I think about 5 games into the season I was raging. I couldnt believe how shit he was. Then Klopp arrived a while after and transformed him back into a boss CB.
BS. Klopp didn't 'transform' him. He was doing OK, but like a lot of players struggled to find his fit amongst a new team in his first year. Some of us back then were pointing out that he was a scapegoat while people suggested Sakho was 10x better or whatever. Others suggested Skrtel was the problem. Lovren was tacked to Rodgers and so the anti-Rodgers people caned him relentlessly.

And on the whole 'not another English transfer' stuff. I know some people are still saying the squad is a big problem, but half our current best team are these transfers - Studge, Lallana, Clyne, Hendo, Milner, Lovren. Gomez on the bench is a Championship transfer. Ings was missed. Allen will be missed now he's got his injury problems seemingly solved. Kolo will be missed. I still think Tekkers, like Lovren, was given too hard a time considering his per minute return. And of course we already have Grujic and Matip coming in. Zielinski by the sound of it too.

We know Klopp wants a particular type of forward. He often picks Origi over Sturridge. Presumably Mane is the man they've decided has those qualities. If Gotze keeps gets poor reports at the Euros, surely our odds of getting him increase. Chilwell v Hector appears to be far more about Klopp's style of picking players (relying on people he trusts giving him the tip-off).

Much like the difference between winning the second half of Sevilla vs losing it, maybe we shouldn't let one development make us lose our minds over the prospects of the entire club. Negativity from fans, in my opinion, undid Rodgers more than anything else and we don't want that to start under Klopp.
 

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Attacking Mid Depth:
Phil, Bob, Lallana, Alberto, Ibe, Markovic, Ojo,

Left Back Depth:
Moreno Flannagan Smith

Yet we are splashing $30m on a unproven attacker who realistically hasnt proven himself to be better than any of the above. Yet we are sticking with Moreno who single handedly cost us Europa as well as about 15 other goals throughout the year.
 

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And on the whole 'not another English transfer' stuff. I know some people are still saying the squad is a big problem, but half our current best team are these transfers - Studge, Lallana, Clyne, Hendo, Milner, Lovren. Gomez on the bench is a Championship transfer. Ings was missed. Allen will be missed now he's got his injury problems seemingly solved. Kolo will be missed. I still think Tekkers, like Lovren, was given too hard a time considering his per minute return. And of course we already have Grujic and Matip coming in. Zielinski by the sound of it too.
But this is the problem. We could and should be doing so much better than the Milners, Allens and Lallanas of this world.

We're Liverpool Football Club for god sake.
 

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Yes, we made Rodgers fail, we made him waste money and buy Benteke and lose to Stoke 6-1 etc, all our fault

Mane is at the very least, better than Lallana, that I can accept. Quicker and more goals and work just as hard.

They can waste their money on the Manes and Womanes of the world for all I care as long as they buy a left back who is experienced and can defend, gimme Hector or someone and I don't care. Hector apparently doesn't fit the description of the left back we're looking for, well coz he isn't a kid or a spud
 
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One of our games at the end of last season felt very Stoke like. Must've been the 3-1 loss to Swansea.
But this is the problem. We could and should be doing so much better than the Milners, Allens and Lallanas of this world.

We're Liverpool Football Club for god sake.
God was English too. And you're only trying to fool yourself if you ignore Ings, Hendo, Studge, Gomez, Clyne in your response. Lallana has definitely improved under Klopp, seemingly upping his fitness compared to under Rodgers, and he's been everywhere in the Euros too. But it's worth noting he like Lovren may have struggled to adapt to a new team with injuries interrupting things. Of course the irony in all this is that buying from within England is meant to limit the amount of time it takes them to adapt, whereas the evidence instead suggests it limits the risk of getting a flop but they're still taking as long to adapt (and perhaps because everyone knows them already, they rarely have the big impact an OS player can have).
 

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On Soton we've bought :


Lambert - miss but bought for next to nothing
Clyne - big hit and only 12m
Lovren - initial failure but now a sucess
Lallana - remains to be seen, finished last season strongly.

I'm not totally against buying Mane but don't understand why we don't lowball them. He's got 2 years left on his deal - if they don't sell him this sinner he'll be worth 10-12m only next summer with 1 year left on his contract. I don't understand why we just offer them 20m abd say take it or leave it.
 

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On Soton we've bought :


Lambert - miss but bought for next to nothing
Clyne - big hit and only 12m
Lovren - initial failure but now a sucess
Lallana - remains to be seen, finished last season strongly.

I'm not totally against buying Mane but don't understand why we don't lowball them. He's got 2 years left on his deal - if they don't sell him this sinner he'll be worth 10-12m only next summer with 1 year left on his contract. I don't understand why we just offer them 20m abd say take it or leave it.
Coz negotiations are for losers
 

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One of our games at the end of last season felt very Stoke like. Must've been the 3-1 loss to Swansea.

God was English too. And you're only trying to fool yourself if you ignore Ings, Hendo, Studge, Gomez, Clyne in your response. Lallana has definitely improved under Klopp, seemingly upping his fitness compared to under Rodgers, and he's been everywhere in the Euros too.
Gomez is just a kid. Looks super promising but has done nothing yet. Ings is backup at best. Henderson is decent but not world class. Ill give you Clyne and Sturridge.

Henderson, Lallana, Milner, Allen, Lucas. It's so vanilla. Who out of that lot would you think could grab a game by the scruff of the neck and win it. There is not a goal amongst them either.

We need to do better.
 

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Gomez is just a kid. Looks super promising but has done nothing yet. Ings is backup at best. Henderson is decent but not world class. Ill give you Clyne and Sturridge.

Henderson, Lallana, Milner, Allen, Lucas. It's so vanilla. Who out of that lot would you think could grab a game by the scruff of the neck and win it. There is not a goal amongst them either.

We need to do better.
If we inject class into central midfield my gut says everywhere else on the pitch does a lot better.
 

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If we inject class into central midfield my gut says everywhere else on the pitch does a lot better.
I agree with this. We've gone from having Mascherano, Gerrard and Alonso in midfield to Henderson, Milner and Allen.

Yikes.

We desperately need some class in there. Can is very good and could be great. He needs better guys to operate with than the guys we have now. Im happy to keep Henderson and Allen. But they shouldnt be first choice. They would be decent squad options.

Can needs to play next to guys like Kovacic or a Xhaka or a bloke like Alli.
 

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I agree with this. We've gone from having Mascherano, Gerrard and Alonso in midfield to Henderson, Milner and Allen.

Yikes.

We desperately need some class in there. Can is very good and could be great. He needs better guys to operate with than the guys we have now. Im happy to keep Henderson and Allen. But they shouldnt be first choice. They would be decent squad options.

Can needs to play next to guys like Kovacic or a Xhaka or a bloke like Alli.
I'm not sure we can play both Henderson and Can in the same team because they don't possess enough quality on the ball.

The problem is that Henderson is captain, so is going to play just about all the time (when fit), when he really should only be a squad player.
 
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