the black watch to bail US troops

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a battalion of the black watch has been sent to bail the US troops in baghdad.

looks like the US are taking more hits than they'd like to mention.
 

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The Black Watch are a pretty tough unit. Do not take c.rap from anyone. The IRA were terrified of them duing the Troubles.

Agree with Dan the US are struggling at the moment and the performance of thier commanders is leaving a lot to be desired.
 

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I think this request is a tacit admission of failure on the part of the US Military that they are not up to the job in the hotspots. The Black Watch are some of the hardest b*stards you'll ever come across, their reputation precedes them. What the Coalition needs in the troubled areas are forces who will go and sort these terrorists out and do it the dirty way if need be. US forces do not handle the difficult & dirty work well and its unsurprising they want the Black Watch to do it for them.
 

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It doesnt matter how tough you think the black watch are the resistance is no slouch in this department.

Does anyone know what the aussies are doing and where they are stationed in baghdad, i would have thought we might be used in our traditional role as shock troops ie bullet stoppers.

Our troops are desert soldiers mainly and you would think we would be called in to do some fighting.
 

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I think the terrorists have shown they are no slouch but they have yet to come up against the likes of the Black Watch in face to face combat, it wont be like suicide bombing poorly defended US convoys and beheading innocent civilians and the other cowardly sh*te they get up to. The terrorists also haven't fared that well when US forces have been given the green light to go and clear them out of towns (e.g. Samarra) using maximum force. As for Australian soldiers, most of our personnel that are there are guarding the Embassy, training local forces or are in support capabilities. There's no way we will be sending front line troops in. Howard was canny in that he offered our help for the most controversial part of the mission, but also the part which proved to be the 'easiest'. By putting his nads on the line when the international sh*tstorm was at its most ferocious he's managed to get away with not having offer any more troops for combat now that the situation on the ground has deteriorated. Either a very good reading of the situation or just lucky!
 

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Why do you call them ' terrorists' arent they defending there country from an invader. :confused:

A better term might be resistance fighter or mujhadeen not terrorist.
 

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Why do you call them ' terrorists' arent they defending there country from an invader. :confused:

A better term might be resistance fighter or mujhadeen not terrorist.
And they believe that their cause is a just one! Who are we to say it's not. How many Australians had they killed or hurt prior to this conflict?
 

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Why do you call them ' terrorists' arent they defending there country from an invader. :confused:

A better term might be resistance fighter or mujhadeen not terrorist.
'Their country'? Are you sure? Last time I checked the likes of Al Zarqawi are not Iraqi.
 

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For units that are as tough as you all have claimed to be (not that i don't belive you), i must admit i haven't really heard of them before.
Then you know very little about military history
 

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'Their country'? Are you sure? Last time I checked the likes of Al Zarqawi are not Iraqi.
Does this bloke actually exist or is he another creation of cia/mossad.

First it was osama then saddam then the baathists who were the bad guys then sadr and now zarqawi and soon it will be someone else. :rolleyes:

Its all bullcrap.

They are only trying to justify a merciless and brutal invasion for the sheep back home.

Theres no terrorists, the iraqis are defending there families, towns and country from invaders, the beheadings are a false flag operation to discredit the resistance and turn public opinion here against iraqis and back towards the coalition.

The beheadings and kidnappings occured after the news of the torture and degradations at abu grahib came out, the beheadings are a psyop if ive ever seen one.

i wonder what crap they will come up with when they want to invade iran or syria which is on the cards.
 

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Cynics are suggesting that the Brits have moved into the American zone to coincide with the US elections. Minimises the spector of US casualities pre-poll.

Isn't it great how easy it is to find conspiracy theories now days.
 

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Cynics are suggesting that the Brits have moved into the American zone to coincide with the US elections. Minimises the spector of US casualities pre-poll.

Isn't it great how easy it is to find conspiracy theories now days.
There only going in to help in slowing down the american casualty rate.

It will be british dead from now on not american.
 

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Add 3rd, Foreign Legion, Delta Force, Uks Paras and Commando units, Special Boat Service, Israeli Murkurabat,Spetnaz..........and good old Aussie infantry (best grunts in the world by a mile)
 

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Add 3rd, Foreign Legion, Delta Force, Uks Paras and Commando units, Special Boat Service, Israeli Murkurabat,Spetnaz..........and good old Aussie infantry (best grunts in the world by a mile)
Yeah heard of all them too, but for some reason i never heard of the Black Watch.
 
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Blair is being accused of Bailing out Bush, I wonder if the favour might be returned next year.

Would hate it to get to a point where Blair, Bush and Howard have more loyalty to each other's political skins than they have to their own countries.

Howards owm family member is working in the Bush campaign. Howard usd the latest american tactics in his election here.

The alliance of evil ?
 

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Even for all Blair's suport of the war, one would still think he would prefer Kerry as the US President. Would mean he did not have to go so far to the right to be supporting the USA.
 

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Does this bloke actually exist or is he another creation of cia/mossad.

First it was osama then saddam then the baathists who were the bad guys then sadr and now zarqawi and soon it will be someone else. :rolleyes:

Its all bullcrap.

They are only trying to justify a merciless and brutal invasion for the sheep back home.

Theres no terrorists, the iraqis are defending there families, towns and country from invaders, the beheadings are a false flag operation to discredit the resistance and turn public opinion here against iraqis and back towards the coalition.

The beheadings and kidnappings occured after the news of the torture and degradations at abu grahib came out, the beheadings are a psyop if ive ever seen one.

i wonder what crap they will come up with when they want to invade iran or syria which is on the cards.
Ah, now I've got it.

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Stan. said:
Does this bloke actually exist or is he another creation of cia/mossad.

First it was osama then saddam then the baathists who were the bad guys then sadr and now zarqawi and soon it will be someone else. :rolleyes:

Its all bullcrap.

They are only trying to justify a merciless and brutal invasion for the sheep back home.

Theres no terrorists, the iraqis are defending there families, towns and country from invaders, the beheadings are a false flag operation to discredit the resistance and turn public opinion here against iraqis and back towards the coalition.

The beheadings and kidnappings occured after the news of the torture and degradations at abu grahib came out, the beheadings are a psyop if ive ever seen one.

i wonder what crap they will come up with when they want to invade iran or syria which is on the cards.
and they didnt land on the moon!! Surprised to u didnt get that in. Psyops does not involve wat u are discussing. Do u actaully kno wat it is??
 

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*Shrug* so be it then. In terms of 'tough' units, i only know of the SEALS and SAS. I guess i learnt something new today.
the black watch are not a special forces unit. the other units u are referring to are. Does not however mean they are not 'tough'.
 

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ews suggests that a combined forces of terrorist groups, nationalist independance groups, freedom fighters and general anti US forces are combining to battle the US.

the numbers are increasing, and they estimate that combat forces are in excess of 20,000 with hundreds of thousands in passive support.

also they US might be killing 10 independance fighters for every US troops, but the local forces are recruiting actively and have the popular support of most iraqi population.
 

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and they didnt land on the moon!! Surprised to u didnt get that in. Psyops does not involve wat u are discussing. Do u actaully kno wat it is??
Yep.

A psy-op conveys selcted information and indications to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning and ultimately the behaviour of groups and individuals, organisations even including governments.

So after abu grahib the americans are looking in very poor shape image wise all over the world and are definitely losing the propaganda part of this war so what do they do about it?

They are the ones looking like savages and killers and now they need something to to happen in iraq that they can send back home to turn the tide of public opinion which is going against them back in their favour by discrediting the resistance and depicting the iraqi's as even bigger savages then they are.

So cia/mossad conclude kidnapping foreigners , film them making passionate pleas for mercy and beheading them which i dont recall being a typical iraqi custom will mentally/subconciously move the people back home to look and feel more favourably towards the war in iraq and less favourably towards the iraqi population.

As napolean once knew it is just as important to win the psychological war as it is to win the real war.
 
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Didn't take long. Three killed, 8 injured in yet another attack on the 850 strong force.

Blair is going to cop some flak over this political manouvre to keep Bush happy.
 
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