The booing of Gary Ablett jnr

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The AFL is a circus run by clowns.

How does blowing this up in the media achieve anything? They can't make crowds not boo.

All they're doing is drawing attention to it, which will ensure it continues.

That's without mentioning the obvious personal stake that Hocking has involving a Geelong player.

Seems that the only reason they're bringing it up is so they don't get accused of not doing anything down the track if it all turns to shit and Ablett quits or something.

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No, you have to include everyone without prejudice before they take actions to give just reason to be excluded, like violence, hate speech etc. Unless you think we should be accepting of nazis and Muslim extremists. Although from your arguments I'm sure you'd accept the first because they're white and Christian.
No you've read me wrong, if you read my posts you'll discover that I'm clearly stating that including everyone is not possible.

If you know what sarcasm is you'd realize that I don't think you can include everyone.
 
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If your argument is that religion is highly hypocritial and subjective based on a pre-conceived narrative - you are preaching to the converted

As an atheist I find the need to have a belief in a sky daddy mind blowing

However I do accept that people hold these faiths close to their chest and should be able to worship what they like. Like I accept that people have different sexualities. Live and let live

We accept that people don’t choose their sexuality, as crazy as it might seem - perhaps people don’t choose their religion - maybe they do indeed get a calling

Ultimately as long as they aren’t promoting hate speech and criminal activities - let them believe and promote what they want.

Ultimately it comes down to whether you think being damned to hell is hate speech. Personally I don’t - it’s mythical

Had he said they should be stoned however...
I don't necessarily think that all religion is hypocritical. My point is that religion is something of a blank canvass, or to put it another easy, is full of contradictions. I'm an athiest as well, but I am aware that here have been many wonderful people who have been inspired by religion (Martin Luther King for example). White southern baptists used to argue for segregation, while black southern baptist preachers were at the forefront of the Civil Rights struggle. The white baptists used selected readings from the bible to justify their racist position while the likes of MLK found strength from the story of the liberation of the Hebrews. Was MLK being a hypocrite when he decided to reference the latter in his final speech (...but I have seen thew promised land!")? I don't think so.
 

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Seems that the only reason they're bringing it up is so they don't get accused of not doing anything down the track if it all turns to shit and Ablett quits or something.
Reckon that has a lot to do with it. Perhaps even warding off the possibility of Ablett using their own (Racial &) Religious Vilification Policy against them.
 
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And no doubt you will remain outraged because you need a convenient reason to dislike Ablett
I'll remain in my stance because I don't like homophobic people. You should really join me instead of taking the side of a homophobe just because he plays for your club.
 
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I'll remain in my stance because I don't like homophobic people. You should really join me instead of taking the side of a homophobe just because he plays for your club.
You are very quick to label and condemn ... based on the most minimal of actual evidence.

Were you this forthright in condemning when it was the Hawthorn mob that first started booing and baying after Adam Goodes?

You come across as the most intolerant hate-filled bigot in this thread
 
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You are very quick to label and condemn ... based on the most minimal of actual evidence.


Minimal? Ablett saw a post that says homosexuals go to hell. He had the option to scroll past or better yet, come out and condemn such an appalling post considering he "loves everyone" but he did neither. He did the complete opposite. I'm not sure how anyone can defend it.
 

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Yep, your prerogative to take that view. I am happy to let it go.
Strikes me that people take great delight in being outraged these days.
The last sentence is a convenient response.

Imagine if there is a Gay player within the Cats locker room....... I wonder how loved and supported he feels from his teammate.
 

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At the next game he should come out with a waxed mustache, top hat and cape. A few "Nyah-hah-hah!"s to the crowd should set the ensemble off nicely.

Perhaps the cheer squad could provide a damsel on some railway tracks to really drive this joke into the ground.
 

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The last sentence is a convenient response.

Imagine if there is a Gay player within the Cats locker room....... I wonder how loved and supported he feels from his teammate.
He looks pretty comfortable with his team mates to me. He has always played a fair and decent brand of footy and I suspect that he is also a decent chap from what I have seen of him. Anyone can make a mistake.
You seem to be seeking vitriol more than he is. Think you are over reaching this. Let it go.
 

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If there is one supporter base that rails against being told not to boo then I guess that would be us going by what the media have been writing in recent years.
Leading up to a game between Cats and WC, making a big issue of this is garanteed to generate some additional boos. Luckily its at Kardinia and WC fans will be vastly out numbered then again, apparently our booing is much louder and more offensive than your garden variety footy supporter boos so perhaps thatwill balance out our smaller numbers.
The press, in particular the snivelling, pompous little brat Barrett, have created this and they are doing their utmost to ensure they blow it up bigger this week so that they have more shit to write. A fortunate quirk of the draw has ensured a favourite villain, the WCE booers, combining with their current run with story to form a perfect storm.
 

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He looks pretty comfortable with his team mates to me. He has always played a fair and decent brand of footy and I suspect that he is also a decent chap from what I have seen of him. Anyone can make a mistake.
You seem to be seeking vitriol more than he is. Think you are over reaching this. Let it go.
A mistake? A mistake is going out on the piss, passing out and losing your wallet.....liking a post hoping people burn in Hell.... that’s not a mistake. That’s hatred.

I wonder what you would say if you had a gay kid? I doubt you’ll have the same response.

Oh well, nice speaking to you.
 

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A mistake? A mistake is going out on the piss, passing out and losing your wallet.....liking a post hoping people burn in Hell.... that’s not a mistake. That’s hatred.

I wonder what you would say if you had a gay kid? I doubt you’ll have the same response.

Oh well, nice speaking to you.
You're not suggesting Izzy posted that he is hoping people burn in hell are you? That's utter garbage
 
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The difference is the other people on the list don't face the discrimination and prejudice that gay people do. The perfect is example is football. There would be plenty of current gay AFL footballers, and plenty in the past. Why has none of them ever come out? Because they would cop absolute shit. Better now than 30 years ago, but they'd still cop it. Let's have a look at the rest of the list, Drunks, Fornicators, Athiests , all things footballers would freely admit to, as there is little to no prejudice towards these groups, hey I'm sure drunks and fornicators are celebrated. Adulterers and thieves, well who's going to admit to this? Cheating on your wife, stealing shit.. is actually wrong. and last idolaters, the worship of idols, not really applicable in this day and age. Though footballers are worshipped like idols to a degree, but you know people aren't going to be insulted or degraded for that. So what's the one stands out... Homosexuals... people who happen to love people of the same sex. They're doing nothing wrong, but there are people saying they will go to hell for what they're doing. That's why this thread isn't about drunkphobia, athiestphobia because these aren't major discriminatory problems, not in our society anyway.
I understand all that but people are jumping up and down jumping to conclusions and just assuming Ablett is homophobic, when he has actually clarified that he isn’t.
 

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This is so overhyped.
I think some people have found a good reason in their own minds to boo him and whilst I think it’s opportunistic, just let them be.
Gary doesn’t ‘hate’ gay people. Hate is not a part of his religion. I think Christian people are generally really bad at explaining themselves and when Israel puts out that tweet, it comes across poorly as in hate speech which it isn’t. Christians don’t hate Gay people, as tough as that may be for people to accept when they see hateful people use a religion to push their agenda.
Christians don’t ‘want’ people to go to hell, they want everyone to accept God.

I hate to try to explain it all and it makes it hard when I don’t believe the whole idea myself and people will pick me apart but in a Christian’s mind everyone has sinned but it’s all about asking for forgiveness. They don’t hate people, they just disagree with actions which they may have committed themselves. That for example includes pre marital sex. They (or more specifically ‘God’) don’t want people to act upon their urges which they see as the way of the devil. Christians preach God’s message not necessarily their own. Humans are sinners so the Christian ones will always look a hypocrite.

On another note an atheist might attack a Christian by believing in a ‘man in the sky’
I think people including Christians get confused. God isn’t a man, he is a spirit, in scripture he ‘made man’ and 1 in the form of Jesus.
We can call all this bulldust and to people all these ‘stories’ clearly are, but it’s not the point.
God is meant to be a spirit. It’s not like we are all going to hell in a physical sense, it’s all in a spiritual sense.
That in itself isn’t trying to make hell seem ok, I myself don’t get what hell is spiritually, I don’t even quite understand spirits much myself. I’m just trying to point out a difference, for better or worse I ain’t sure.

If people want to boo, let them. It’s not even that bad. Adds atmosphere and another dimension to the game. Booing won’t hurt him, they aren’t sending threats to him, it’s just a boo.
Deal with it.
Mark Robinson like he did with the Goodes saga really gets these booing issues going doesn’t he?
 
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I'll remain in my stance because I don't like homophobic people. You should really join me instead of taking the side of a homophobe just because he plays for your club.
But I don't believe Ablett is a homophobe

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In combination the numbers suggest there are far more single gay men than women, which in turn suggests lifestyle choice.

The question was, is it a choice? And my answer was sometimes, IMO.
exactly what i said you were saying, but still the "sometimes" is blurry

You presented the statistics as supporting your conclusion, then denied you had used them as support, then went back to presenting them as evidence again. But there is still not a clear argument between the stats and your conclusion (IF the stat are true).

You seem just to hint that the number of same sex couples are 1-1 between male couples and female couples, but same sex activity is overall 3 times as large among men.... showing that men like to have sex and do it with other men outside of committing to a same-sex lifestyle... thus chosing to be gay just for the sex. That is quite a reach, as your conclusion relies upon a lot of assumptions about human beings and differences between men and women.

"sometimes" could be 2/3 same sex males or it could be 0.1%. There is no clarity on that, and no argument clearly posited by you. Those stats you refer to could support any number of contrary conclusions.
 
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Are we really that soft of a society now that people get so hurt over a fanbase booing an opposition player?

Robbo was almost on the verge of tears on 360 talking about it last night...for Christ sake.
It brought back traumatic memories of his boys being booed mercilessly for drug cheating.
 

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I'm a Geelong supporter but you'll never find me supporting an Ablett as a human being. That said, it was hilarious hearing Watson and Taylor try to claim the boos were the result of Ablett's social media activity. He cops those boos from Hawks fans (and Pies fans, and I'm sure other fanbases I'm forgetting) every time. Maybe some people were booing his "like" (and fair enough, if you were) but generally they're just booing him because he's a champion and/or they don't like his on-field conduct.
Do you support steven handley? As there is some big pretty irony right there if you know anything about his history.
 
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