The Bulldogs and Umpires: Time for a Royal Commission?

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Alesana

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If you believe every free kick paid is an advantage to the team receiving it you certainly are not correct.

Some teams deliberately concede free kicks to slow the play and as such are advantaged by conceding a free.
Next he'll try to tell you getting a free on the boundary at half back is no less of an advantage than getting a free at full forward
 

Sentinel

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Next he'll try to tell you getting a free on the boundary at half back is no less of an advantage than getting a free at full forward
Perhaps a little complex for someone who claims winning the free kick count is an advantage yet can't comprehend there being no significant correlation between that and scoring more than your opponent.
 

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Perhaps a little complex for someone who claims winning the free kick count is an advantage yet can't comprehend there being no significant correlation between that and scoring more than your opponent.

So you believe the only advantage is the final score?

So any team that doesn't win, hasn't had any type of advantage during the game?


Do you now see how stupid your primary school chart is in the context of this thread?

Simply embarrassing.
 

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So you believe the only advantage is the final score?

So any team that doesn't win, hasn't had any type of advantage during the game?


Do you now see how stupid your primary school chart is in the context of this thread?

Simply embarrassing.
You evidently don't understand the concept of correlation.

The point is not that winning a free kick count means you always score more than your opponent. It means that it does or does not have an effect on score differential, and the data shows that there is very little to no correlation.

If winning the free kick count doesn't have any significant affect on score vs opponent's score (again, the data proves it doesn't), how can you call it an advantage?

It's pretty simple, for most. Speaking of primary school level, I would point towards your level of comprehension about this topic.
 

Alesana

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Sorry?

Why would I say that?

How has anything I've said on this thread lead you to believe that I'd say that?
Getting a Free Kick is exactly the same as winning a contest.

Name a coach, or anyone with even half a clue, that doesn't think they'll fare better on the scoreboard if they're winning more contests than their opponent?
Whether it is a good decision, bad decision, fair decision or whatever doesn't matter. You get the ball. And if you don't give Frees away, the opposition is not getting the ball. If you get a default differential every week of 4-5 Free Kicks, you're getting a significant advantage before the ball is even bounced.

Anyone who thinks that winning a significant amount of contests more than your opposition is inconsequential and no big deal, is a fool.
Based on what you've said, a team getting 10 free kicks at half back is more advantaged than a team getting 6 free kicks at full forward.

Just to re-iterate (because I think you need it), you said:
"Getting a Free Kick is exactly the same as winning a contest."
and
"Anyone who thinks that winning a significant amount of contests more than your opposition is inconsequential and no big deal, is a fool."

So yes, that very much leads me believe you think getting a free kick at half back is no less of an advantage than getting a free at full forward. If you now decide that's not what you're saying then you need to re-evaluate your position on this.
 

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Norm Smith Medallist
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Based on what you've said, a team getting 10 free kicks at half back is more advantaged than a team getting 6 free kicks at full forward.

Just to re-iterate (because I think you need it), you said:
"Getting a Free Kick is exactly the same as winning a contest."
and
"Anyone who thinks that winning a significant amount of contests more than your opposition is inconsequential and no big deal, is a fool."

So yes, that very much leads me believe you think getting a free kick at half back is no less of an advantage than getting a free at full forward. If you now decide that's not what you're saying then you need to re-evaluate your position on this.
It's says that winning a Free Kick is the same as winning a contest.

It does not state that all contests are the same. It doesn't even come close to saying that.
 

Guju

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Some teams get looked after more so than others. This happens in cycles, periods or even era, depending on afl administrators, their agenda's and/or club allegiances. It is a fact. I am not naming teams. The Afl is rorted to a degree and us fans are all sucked in and defend our clubs tooth and nail.
 

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