Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Blue and Blue]

the players dont even know the words now never mind before

 

[gandaal]

We should just all agree that if our indigenous players and community members think it's fine then we should just continue using our terrible, awful club song and ignore the noise.

 

[DangerousD]

Can we cancel all the, whoos and high pitch squeals the players do after every line in the song?

 

[jackn]

Looking at the length of some posts in the last few pages, way too much time being given to this campaigner.

Sentence ambiguity courtesy of bigfooty.

 

[thylacine60]

Can we cancel all the, whoos and high pitch squeals the players do after every line in the song?

hate that shit - barely recognizable from the song we sang winning premierships............

 

[mikeythemoocow]

hate that sh*t - barely recognizable from the song we sang winning premierships............

If what we sing now is barely recognisable from the song we used to sing then what is the problem

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

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[skadoosh]

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Retired Blue Simpson in shock comeback bid

Kade Simpson retired from football after 18 seasons at Carlton. But as he heads towards his 37th birthday, he wants to play AFL football again.

www.theage.com.au

Retired Carlton veteran Kade Simpson has put himself on the market for this year’s mid-season draft, declaring he wants to continue his AFL career.

Simpson, who retired at the end of last season after a monumental career of 342 games, says he wishes he was still playing and believes he could still be an important recruit for a team challenging for this year’s premiership.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

hate that sh*t - barely recognizable from the song we sang winning premierships............

Were your victories Post or Pre Depression era?

 

[myblueroan]

no it isn't - that's just too simple an effort - no harm in discussing the issue without people being so defensive.......no-one's stealing your precious sports club

Such an interesting and emotionally charged discussion. I was appalled when 1st found out the origins of our club song( some time ago now).

People need time to process.
It originated as a superb melody with atrocious lyrics. The melody was retained and made use of because it was so catchy and likeable.
You could say the melody was rescued and retained because it was good. What was not good was discarded.
The melody therefore, can be seen as something symbolic of evolving thought. It symbolises a positive evolution from an unenlightened era.

Bearing in mind that even if something does not offend us, it might offend or be painful to others...we turn to our own indigenous brothers and ask how they feel. (About the song lyric's racist beginnings)
Their answer is clear.
No problemo.
Therefore, our way forward is clear.
'Dadadadahda' people.
Over time, the melody has been liberated from the clutches of ignorance.
This is good.(imho)
Uncovering and examining is also good.

 

[myblueroan]

Another point to consider.
Very often songs have melody composed by one writer and lyrics by another. I wonder if this might have been the case originally. Makes argument redundant if it was.

 

[thylacine60]

Such an interesting and emotionally charged discussion. I was appalled when 1st found out the origins of our club song( some time ago now).
I worked through my feelings on it back then.
People need time to process.
It originated as a superb melody with atrocious lyrics. The melody was retained and made use of because it was so catchy and likeable.
You could say the melody was rescued and retained because it was good. What was not good was discarded.
The melody therefore, can be seen as something symbolic of evolving thought. It symbolises a positive evolution from an unenlightened era.

Bearing in mind that even if something does not offend us, it might offend or be painful to others...we turn to our own indigenous brothers and ask how they feel.
Their answer is clear.
No problemo.
Therefore, our way forward is clear.
Dadadadahda people.
We have liberated a melody from the clutches of ignorance. This is good.(imho)
Uncovering and examining is also good.

You know the song originated in the UK and has nothing to do with indigenous Australians?

 

[thylacine60]

If what we sing now is barely recognisable from the song we used to sing then what is the problem

I'm talking about the yips and extras the players have added over the years.

 

[mediumsizered]

I'd be interested to know how many Australians today, indigenous & non-indigenous, were aware of the background of the tune to our club song. I would be fairly confident the number would be extremely low. So low as to be miniscule. I would even be prepared to suggest that when the tune was adapted to our club song 90+ years ago, that very few Australians then knew the original lyrics to the song whose tune we borrowed.

I've seen/heard some long bows drawn over the years, but I think the attempt to link our club song to racism is probably the longest so far.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

On a different note....


Carlton is now ahead of Collingwood in (at least the one I saw) betting markets for odds on to win the premiership.

I only bring this up because I don't think I've seen us ahead of them in that category for... Well... That's the question. When the hell were we last seen as closer to a premiership than them?

 

[suetonius]

I've seen/heard some long bows drawn over the years, but I think the attempt to link our club song to racism is probably the longest so far.

The whole drama around the Carlton song is really just a case of a sad individual trying to stir up trouble for cheap political point scoring. You guys should take a stand and call out this crap for the nonsense it is.

 

[thylacine60]

The whole drama around the Carlton song is really just a case of a sad individual trying to stir up trouble for cheap political point scoring. You guys should take a stand and call out this crap for the nonsense it is.

garbage - try to understand a person who has what he/she believes to be good intentions - regardless of the issue or the process by which they deliver it - haven't you ever had strong feelings around an issue where you put yourself in a vulnerable position publicly? or do you just stay quiet? easiest thing in the world to attack this bloke - some have behaved in a more reasonable way - others like yourself shortcut to the ultra boring and useless shutdown technique.................

 

[jelly]

Retired Blue Simpson in shock comeback bid

Kade Simpson retired from football after 18 seasons at Carlton. But as he heads towards his 37th birthday, he wants to play AFL football again.

www.theage.com.au

Look, he was a great servant, but he was a liability for the last 3 or so years. The new rules would make it even harder for him.

 

[Gethelred]

The whole drama around the Carlton song is really just a case of a sad individual trying to stir up trouble for cheap political point scoring. You guys should take a stand and call out this crap for the nonsense it is.

The question becomes, at what point do you draw the line between allowing external voices to have too prominent a role within your organisation, without closing your mind to pertinent criticisms?

It's certainly easier to dismiss this bloke as you have. Don't know if it's the right thing to do, though.

 

[myblueroan]

 

[gab213]

The question becomes, at what point do you draw the line between allowing external voices to have too prominent a role within your organisation, without closing your mind to pertinent criticisms?

It's certainly easier to dismiss this bloke as you have. Don't know if it's the right thing to do, though.

The way I see it, let him have his say if he feels strongly about it. For me, it's a storm in a teacup, I'd rather focus on the football side of things, I'm sure that the club will deal with it.

 

[mediumsizered]

garbage - try to understand a person who has what he/she believes to be good intentions - regardless of the issue or the process by which they deliver it - haven't you ever had strong feelings around an issue where you put yourself in a vulnerable position publicly? or do you just stay quiet? easiest thing in the world to attack this bloke - some have behaved in a more reasonable way - others like yourself shortcut to the ultra boring and useless shutdown technique.................

In the case of our club song, Hagen appears to be fishing. He is searching for people who find the tune objectionable. I'd be quite confident that not one indigenous person has approached him & said "hey, that Carlton club song is extremely racist".

If he is sincere about wanting to improve the lot of indigenous Australians, he should have bigger fish to fry than an AFL club song, which the vast majority of Australians of all backgrounds would have no clue of its origins.

 

[Gethelred]

Now that's a great thing to hear!

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

In the case of our club song, Hagen appears to be fishing. He is searching for people who find the tune objectionable. I'd be quite confident that not one indigenous person has approached him & said "hey, that Carlton club song is extremely racist".

If he is sincere about wanting to improve the lot of indigenous Australians, he should have bigger fish to fry than an AFL club song, which the vast majority of Australians of all backgrounds would have no clue of its origins.

First it was cheese and someone’s name.. now its a song

 

[mediumsizered]

Young Whitnall has some height. I hope he gets a game with the Cannons soon because I would like to see what he has to offer. Might be a late bloomer.