Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Ash24]

It is could helping out another person from another club asking about him in context of whatever fantasy footy game they playing.

Mate we're just going around in circles, and quite frankly I don't feel like starting an argument here.

Calling him a 'fringe player' doesn't help anyone in fantasy footy, especially when your claim is false too. Fantasy scoring has nothing to do with you bagging him as a player.

 

[footyfan1978]

Mate we're just going around in circles,

You are the one going around in circles.
Who cares mate. I answered his fantasy footy type enquiry. Move on.

 

[BigBreakfast]

He not played for yonks and never been a good enough scorer in fantasy football to be banking your hopes on.
That was the context of my reply. He certainly in the running for our team when fit but he is not lock so he not what a fantasy football coach really needs which I'm certain is why the poster was asking about him.

So, we don't pick him because he is not a good Fantasy player. Not sure that argument would ever come up in a MC discussion.

 

[footyfan1978]

So, we don't pick him because he is not a good Fantasy player. Not sure that argument would ever come up in a MC discussion.

ha ha. As if that is relevant to real footy selection.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Rohan Connelly has us finishing 14th this year per Footyology. Bombrrs smacker! Unbelievable. Has Essendon 12th. Should be drug tested?

 

[CJMB]

Rohan Connelly has us finishing 14th this year per Footyology. Bombrrs smacker! Unbelievable. Has Essendon 12th. Should be drug tested?

Do you actually care what that mug thinks?

 

[Blue Pulse]

Rohan Connelly has us finishing 14th this year per Footyology. Bombrrs smacker! Unbelievable. Has Essendon 12th. Should be drug tested?

Doesn't really matter where people put us on their makey fakey ladders, until we move forward as a team and earn some respect we really have no come back. I'm over the potential of this team, it's time for these boys to either go forward with force and prove themselves or wither around and show glimpses of what may be.

 

[1981]

Doesn't really matter where people put us on their makey fakey ladders, until we move forward as a team and earn some respect we really have no come back. I'm over the potential of this team, it's time for these boys to either go forward with force and prove themselves or wither around and show glimpses of what may be.

Totally agree.

No more excuses. The age profile and depth and talent is there.

Though I don't put it all on the players. The coaches and other football depot staff play a major role in modern football.

We once again seem to have an awful lot of injuries at the start of the year, I do think questions need to be asked on a number of fronts. Such as, McKay had the ankle injury a couple weeks, back, so should he have played against St.Kilda? Why does Charlie Curnow keep getting injured under suspicious circumstances (could the club have been more forthright in demanding he take care of himself better off the ground)? Have we recruited too many injury prone players (Marchbank, McGovern, etc)?

As for the coaches, I am not going to pretend I know the be all and end all of tactics etc, but, I do agree with Wallsy that we do still look to be less organised on the ground than the better teams. Granted in the St.Kilda game we had all our tall forwards out injured, but regardless I think much scrutiny should be placed at the coaches this year. Ar they up the standard our coaches?

 

[myblueroan]

Rohan Connelly has us finishing 14th this year per Footyology. Bombrrs smacker! Unbelievable. Has Essendon 12th. Should be drug tested?

 

[Blue Pulse]

Totally agree.

No more excuses. The age profile and depth and talent is there.

Though I don't put it all on the players. The coaches and other football depot staff play a major role in modern football.

We once again seem to have an awful lot of injuries at the start of the year, I do think questions need to be asked on a number of fronts. Such as, McKay had the ankle injury a couple weeks, back, so should he have played against St.Kilda? Why does Charlie Curnow keep getting injured under suspicious circumstances (could the club have been more forthright in demanding he take care of himself better off the ground)? Have we recruited too many injury prone players (Marchbank, McGovern, etc)?

As for the coaches, I am not going to pretend I know the be all and end all of tactics etc, but, I do agree with Wallsy that we do still look to be less organised on the ground than the better teams. Granted in the St.Kilda game we had all our tall forwards out injured, but regardless I think much scrutiny should be placed at the coaches this year. Ar they up the standard our coaches?

Injuries is a tough one to fathom, some guys just mature into their bodies quicker than others. Playing players with niggles in a practice match is just stupid. Rushing players back without match practice is also an ordinary practice.

I think we are getting closer, however we still need to prove it. What sticks out to me is our forward entries, there is just no confidence when we go inside 50, we tidy that up like we did in the first 3 quarters v Geelong last year and it will make a huge difference. We always need to look for improvement in all areas as you have said.

Who on this site is confident of a win when you go to a game to watch? I just don't know what sort of game we are going to play, there is no consistency, hence the reason the media pundits won't rate us.

 

[Rustica]

Doesn't really matter where people put us on their makey fakey ladders, until we move forward as a team and earn some respect we really have no come back. I'm over the potential of this team, it's time for these boys to either go forward with force and prove themselves or wither around and show glimpses of what may be.

It's finals or bust for this team for me this season. Just want a positive record. 12-13 wins would be amazing. If that puts us in the 8, who knows?

 

[ferrisb]

Meh, it's not just RoCo. Only 1 out of 17 other clubs' captains think we will make the 8 this year.

We have been rebuilding and slowly improving for a long time. At some point it will click (hopefully) and we will make a leap. Hardly anybody in football ever sees the leap coming. Of course once you do, then everyone claims they saw it coming.

We've been down for so long, I think it's fair to doubt us until we prove otherwise.

I think this year is our year of big improvement. Not many people outside the club see it. But like I GAF what others think.

 

[1981]

It's a case of Believe It When I See It (and not sure I will see it).

 

[Arr0w]

It's what expectations bring, doubt/fear of failure from supporters. Others looking in from the outside still aren't sure, like a practice game is any form of indication of results in the season proper

Feel more comfortable that we have added a "break glass" spine player to cover injuries.

Still believe we will break into finals, this year

 

[Gethelred]

You can play some bloody good footy and miss out on finals, and you can put out some certifiable rubbish and come 5th-8th. Hell, last year we pulverized Geelong for 3 quarters, and they made the grand final.

The reason the coaches and AFL establishment don't think we'll make finals is down to consistency. An AFL season is a marathon, not a sprint.

 

[jooce8891]

eddie and durdin just planting the seed in the near future for tarryn

 

[ferrisb]

It's a case of Believe It When I See It (and not sure I will see it).

You will see it and you ******* well like it, 1981!








Well. I hope so, anyway...

 

[JustaBattler]

We will know where we are with whatwe've got by the end of round 4.

 

[myblueroan]

My niece just had her first baby.
Named Levi.
Now the race is on to make sure he wears a carlton onesie and not a bummers one. (Unfortunately his dad is a cult supporter. Sigh) good bloke, but awful taste in footy teams.
Ps. Wherecan I buy a 4 legged CFC onsie in xxxs? Ta.

 

[thylacine60]

Patrick Dangerfield compares new Cats recruit to Carlton great

"It wouldn’t surprise me if he plays for another five years."

www.sen.com.au

 

[ferrisb]

How do you quantify that we're fitter? As everyone knows we were overrun several times last year. I know its been said a lot that we're fitter, but where's the public evidence for it?

That is an excellent (and valid) question.

We were overrun on some occasions last year, but we also came home with a wet sail on others. My comment was based purely on empirical evidence. It seems to me that we have less red-time goals against us than we used to. It seems to me that we are running harder at the end of matches that we used to.

But I had no proof of any of that........until now...

I ran the stats on the last four seasons (2 seasons pre-Russell, 2 seasons post). And I looked at how we perform qtr by qtr (see bottom of post for proper explanation)



Conclusion/TLDR: Pre-Russel, we were up and down. Post Russell, we start off slowly, build up steam and come home like a freight train. This isn't 100% due to fitness, but I think it would be the biggest factor

Notes:

• This is all based off an assumption that fitness has a major impact on how you perform towards the end of a match
• What this is graph represents is how we perform in each quarter compared to how we perform overall
  • This is done by comparing our % (our score/oppo score) in each quarter compared to our % for the season
  • Eg in 2017 our overall % for the year was 78%. But in Q1s that season, we had a % of 79%. So our first quarters were a little bit better than our efforts overall (ie 101% of our typical %)
• There are other factors at play here
  • Mindset is a factor in how you start and finish a game (mind you, AR prob be in charge of this factor too)
  • Coaching/match-ups impacts how you score throughout the game
  • If you are down by 10 goals at 3/4, perhaps you outscore your oppo in Q4 with junk time goals.
    • Mind you, we were poorer in 2017/18, so that should have benefitted from more junk time goals anyway
• Even though we have totally sucked, we still have the 'Premiership Quarter DNA' of Carlton teams past!
• Sample sizes yada yada
• It's Friday, my brain is fried, I can't vouch for the veracity of my calcs

 

[Metalcrusher]

That is an excellent (and valid) question.

We were overrun on some occasions last year, but we also came home with a wet sail on others. My comment was based purely on empirical evidence. It seems to me that we have less red-time goals against us than we used to. It seems to me that we are running harder at the end of matches that we used to.

But I had no proof of any of that........until now...

I ran the stats on the last four seasons (2 seasons pre-Russell, 2 seasons post). And I looked at how we perform qtr by qtr (see bottom of post for proper explanation)

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Conclusion/TLDR: Pre-Russel, we were up and down. Post Russell, we start off slowly, build up steam and come home like a freight train. This isn't 100% due to fitness, but I think it would be the biggest factor

Notes:

• This is all based off an assumption that fitness has a major impact on how you perform towards the end of a match
• What this is graph represents is how we perform in each quarter compared to how we perform overall
  • This is done by comparing our % (our score/oppo score) in each quarter compared to our % for the season
  • Eg in 2017 our overall % for the year was 78%. But in Q1s that season, we had a % of 79%. So our first quarters were a little bit better than our efforts overall (ie 101% of our typical %)
• There are other factors at play here
  • Mindset is a factor in how you start and finish a game (mind you, AR prob be in charge of this factor too)
  • Coaching/match-ups impacts how you score throughout the game
  • If you are down by 10 goals at 3/4, perhaps you outscore your oppo in Q4 with junk time goals.
    • Mind you, we were poorer in 2017/18, so that should have benefitted from more junk time goals anyway
• Even though we have totally sucked, we still have the 'Premiership Quarter DNA' of Carlton teams past!
• Sample sizes yada yada
• It's Friday, my brain is fried, I can't vouch for the veracity of my calcs

ffs you could have just compared quarters over the time period in question.

 

[ferrisb]

Choosing a fit footballer over and athlete is just picking an athlete that can football over just an athlete. Not that I'm opposed to that philosophy, I think it's an excellent one

Another fair call.

But I would counter with this (very generic) example

Player A is 9/10 on skills and 7/10 on fitness.
Player B is 7/10 on skills and 9/10 on fitness

I would prefer to recruit Player A and get him fitter than pick player B and work on his skills.

 

[ferrisb]

ffs you could have just compared quarters over the time period in question.

That's what I did, no?

The problem was I couldn't just compare how we score qtr by qtr because What if EVERY team scores more in H1 then tails off? If we score more in H1, it's not because we are unfit and can't run out games, but because that's how the game works. So I had to cancel that out.

I figured the best judge of how we perform over each quarter was not just to look at how we score, but how we score compared to our opponents. Hence %

 

[iAsbestos]

Marchbank - Came cheap due to injury, he's been injured his whole career and has probably struggled to get fit after recovering from a contact injury. He needs to train hard and that could be a risk for him but if his body can't handle the training he's not going to make it in the AFL.

Cost us a first rounder wasn't cheap

Casboult - he had a standard knee injury, he's a big heavy 30 year old who rucks a bit, yep this is going to happen.

Hawkins never injured same role :/