Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[Sidthehat]

Watching Gibbs on T.V after being dropped for a second time, you can see he's ****** up and we should take him back, For ****all and I reckon he'd come! He looks sad

Would you pay third rounder for him back?

 

[Blues_1864]

Agree, regarding what SOS had to do, where we have failed with regards to recruiting, is finding seasoned players who can come in and play a consistent roll while developing the kids. O'Shea, Shaw, etc, maybe we should have chased a Miles or Barlow?
Does our recruiting dept have the resources to spot talent out of the WAFL, SANFL, VFL etc? We probably pick up 3-4 mature players a year but we seem to be topping up for our VFL team rather than trying to find someone who can fill a spot in our top side until one of the kids develop and become good enough to replace them.

I think we have spent too much time looking in the wrong places. I reckon you need to have excellent reasons to pick up an AFL discard; those guys have been forensically examined, not just by their own (ex-)list manager but others as well, and found wanting. Unless there are big issues of environment or personality, the vast majority of players cut from AFL lists are just not good enough, and that should be the end of it, even for a 'needy' list like ours.

The State leagues probably offer more fertile ground, especially among untried players that have never been subjected to that level of scrutiny. Plenty of immature players, late developers, who weren't ready to impress at 18 or 19 in their National Draft year, but are well and truly capable at 22, 23. And if these guys can with B&Fs at Club or even competition level... you only need to look at Gibbons, and compare his output thus far to quite a few of our AFL gap-fillers. Pound for pound, he has outperformed Shaw, O'Shea, Mullett, even Kerridge over three years, I would suggest. Wright over three years is ahead of him, but Gibbons has more upside than Wright ever had by the time he got to Carlton.

I'd like to see us go harder at solid State-league players. I know we needed to get McGovern across from the Crows, but it was still a bit galling to be handed those State-league picks by the AFL last trade period, and then not use them, when the players we need might be there...

 

[Blues_1864]

Would you pay third rounder for him back?

We'll give you our FIRST-rounder... as long as you put in yours...

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Would you pay third rounder for him back?

Sid give me your 1st next year and we'll open negotiations.

 

[Dadda Dave]

We say worse but Caro is angling at us totally.

I hope Juddy calls her out on her trolling next week on classifieds...

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Sos doesn't care. Why would he

 

[F_therest]

Think Marks last point was pretty on the money. We've got a bunch of nice kids. No-one stood up for Murphy and the only bloke to back up Cripps was Thomas, and that was once.

In the middle we do.

Dow, LOB, Fisher, SPS, Setterfield, Cunners & Walsh don't appear like the types to be really aggressive and 'fly the flag'. Walsh might when he's older but not yet. They certainly all seem like 'nice' types.

Stocker & Willo have shown mongrel though and so have McKay & JSOS.

 

[F_therest]

I like when Maclure talks Carlton, as i know he is a passionate Blues man and a former premiership player, i don't like everything he says but i thought he was on the money tonight, especially in regards to pressure acts.

To be ranked dead last in pressure acts is a pretty damming position to be in.

The games vs North & GWS would have skewed the data a bit.

But for the most part i don't think it's a lack of effort.

The poor pressure acts ranking and also contested possession imo is more to do with playing so many kids...they are not as big physically to win contested possessions, and also can't run as hard, meaning they're too tired to put on the amount of defensive pressure required.

I'm very confident these aspects will improve a lot simply by our kids developing physically.

 

[Weiterbot23]

3 time premiership player, best bloke you would ever meet, television expert.

what have you done mate?

What era did you play in?

Give us a story about a Larkin you played with.

 

[Weiterbot23]

In the middle we do.

Dow, LOB, Fisher, SPS, Setterfield, Cunners & Walsh don't appear like the types to be really aggressive and 'fly the flag'. Walsh might when he's older but not yet. They certainly all seem like 'nice' types.

Stocker & Willo have shown mongrel though and so have McKay & JSOS.

Setterfield doesn't belong on that list, he'll be a physical presence in a big way once he does his 50 game apprenticeship

 

[mediumsizered]

Watching Gibbs on T.V after being dropped for a second time, you can see he's ****** up and we should take him back, For ****all and I reckon he'd come! He looks sad

Would you pay third rounder for him back?

Given the Crows don't seem to see him as best 22 & he will be 31 next year, a 4th round pick should get it done.

 

[Jabba73]

Given the Crows don't seem to see him as best 22 & he will be 31 next year, a 4th round pick should get it done with a third coming back our way.

 

[mediumsizered]

Just looking through the line ups for the Girls NAB League Grand Final, which is being played at our own Princes Park on Saturday, & the Calder Cannons line up not only includes Georgia Prespakis (sister of Maddie) but also Krstel Petrevski (cousin of SPS).

https://nableague.com.au/nab-league-girls-teams-preview-grand-final-2019/

 

[DangerousD]

The games vs North & GWS would have skewed the data a bit.

But for the most part i don't think it's a lack of effort.

The poor pressure acts ranking and also contested possession imo is more to do with playing so many kids...they are not as big physically to win contested possessions, and also can't run as hard, meaning they're too tired to put on the amount of defensive pressure required.

I'm very confident these aspects will improve a lot simply by our kids developing physically.

Let’s hoe so, although pressure acts are measured in many ways, lots of them not requiring strength or the ability to stick tackles. It needs to turn around though.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Shabby way to treat him

Maybe Neese, but they owe him nothing, he has no history there and he has to earn the teams respect, for years at Carlton he was a conditional footballer who relied on talent alone. There has always been a big gap between his best football and his worst.
Him along with a few others should have been dropped from our side but we didn't have the depth to replace them.

Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.

 

[Arr0w]

Maybe Neese, but they owe him nothing, he has no history there and he has to earn the teams respect, for years at Carlton he was a conditional footballer who relied on talent alone. There has always been a big gap between his best football and his worst.
Him along with a few others should have been dropped from our side but we didn't have the depth to replace them.

Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.

I agree, this has also been prevalent at our club through the MM days and it has crept in at times under Bolton.

Sometimes, most times, the best 22 is the most committed 22

 

[Blue and Blue]

I dont think many folks realise what losing Gibbs did to us. He was our best player as far as I was concerned. Partly because he was more or less the only one that stayed uninjured and thats worth its weight in gold. A professional in a trainwreck list.
He rarely missed a game and always gave his best despite the nonsense talk of being conditional, and was wasted as a defensive mid for much of his time.

 

[Bluebag13]

That's her job, hype up a story. She'll do the same to anyone on the bottom after a thrashing (except Richmond).

I've met her a few times and she's really good value.

Good value - have heard this before.

How about add in good moral values to your journalism

 

[thylacine60]

We say worse but Caro is angling at us totally.

except when she's angling at melbourne, norf or adelaide.........and besides, what's not to angle at? chief football writer suggests it is unnecessary and mean to discuss carlton's parlous situation.............upset and confused supporters deserve support and hugs she insists.............

 

[Bluebag13]

except when she's angling at melbourne, norf or adelaide.........and besides, what's not to angle at? chief football writer suggests it is unnecessary and mean to discuss carlton's parlous situation.............upset and confused supporters deserve support and hugs she insists.............

Nothing wrong with having a go at us, probably deserved. Should do some mediocre research beforehand though.

 

[JustaBattler]

except when she's angling at melbourne, norf or adelaide.........and besides, what's not to angle at? chief football writer suggests it is unnecessary and mean to discuss carlton's parlous situation.............upset and confused supporters deserve support and hugs she insists.............

She is awful - just like most of her male colleagues. Hasn't shown any genuine love for the game in years. Probably gets her information from reading autopsy freds on here and exchanging insider information with Trigg.

 

[footyfan1978]

Stocker & Willo have shown mongrel though and so have McKay & JSOS.

Those two even showed it in their first outing for club in the JLT game v Essendon in the pre-season after they were drafted.

Casboult lets us down with his kicking and lack of physical presence for a man of his size. Pity because he could be so more much if he added at least one of those elements to his game with his elite contested marking ability.

 

[thylacine60]

You don't last this long in a business - 30 plus years - if you don't know what you are doing .
How many were bagging out her sources when she was winning awards like the Australian Journalist of the Year at the Melbourne Press Club's Quill awards for her coverage of the * supplements controversy?

In 1989 Wilson became the first woman to win the AFL's gold media award.[4]
She was the winner of the Sunday Age journalist of the year award in 1993.[3]
In 1995 Wilson was the winner of a national RAWARD (now known as the Australian Commercial Radio Awards - ACRA) as best radio current affairs commentator.[3]
Wilson was voted the AFL Players' Association's football writer of the year in 1999.[4]
Wilson is a multiple winner of AFL Media Association awards, including most outstanding football writer and most outstanding feature writer (2000, 2003, 2005)
In 2010, Wilson was presented with an Australian Sports Commission Media Awards for Lifetime Achievement for her contribution to sports journalism.[3]
In 2013, Wilson won her first Walkley Awards, sharing the 2013 All Media Coverage of a Major News Event or Issue award and winning outright, the 2013 All Media Commentary, Analysis, Opinion and Critique award. Both awards related to The Age newspaper coverage of the 2013 Essendon Football Club supplements controversy.[5][6]
In March 2014, Wilson received the Graham Perkin Australian Journalist of the Year Award at the Melbourne Press Club's annual Quill awards.[7] This prestigious award was presented to Wilson for her coverage of the Essendon Football Club supplements controversy.[8]

I don't blindly support her because of her gender, the attacks on her looks or the inability of some here to cop negative feedback about our club. Butj just have a think about what you might be actually angry at before you, oh yeah......shoot the messenger. Funny a dubious poster comes in with shit on the club and we're told to "give it a chance" "pm me with more info" "there's been rumours about this for a long time" etc..........caro does it.........ignorant cow, how dare she!

 

[footyfan1978]

She is an ignorant cow though. She is really good at her journalistic career. But she is what she is in terms of style and honesty.

 

[thylacine60]

I don't know what that even means.