Analysis The Case for a Priority Pick

[Bucking Beads]

A Priority pick directly after our First round pick this year is almost a must IMO. A free hit in the academy plus an end of first rounder would be a good compromise. With the games we've got left there is only one I feel like we really could/should win and that is the Carlton game at the Gabba. Obviously we are capable of winning other games if things go our way but I am not expecting that to happen .

 

[deklares]

Done all the AFL has requested of us to get the Footy dept and support staff in place. Have done all we could to keep Schache even by Josh's admission.

User Dangerousfield on the Adelaide board posted this list before last years draft period re: level of talent on each list. This is what I went off for the earlier post. Haven't been bothered adding '16 draft picks to it for all clubs. Glaring that we need talent.

18. Brisbane 3/1 (3 1-10 picks/1 11-20 picks) - added McLuggage and Berry last year.
17. Adelaide 1/9 B.Crouch
16. Freo 3/6
15. WB 4/4
14. Swans 6/1
13. St.Kilda 6/4
12. Hawks 5/7
11. North 5/8
10. WCE 6/7
9. Coll 8/5
8. Ess 9/4
7. Port 9/6
6. Geel 9/6
5. Carlton 10/6
4. Rich 8/10
3. Melb 11/4
2. GCS 10/7
1. GWS 18/7

 

[Quigley]

The fact that we got pick 19 last year I think helps the case although I am not sold that the AFL should be giving out pick 2s anymore. Giving pick 19 helps and buys the AFL a year to assess the team and ensure sure that their time at the bottom is sustained. It could easily be graduated assistance.

Where I think a PP case goes wrong is if Rocky leaves. If that happens we are virtually assured of getting a compensation pick after our first pick in the same way that Melb were gifted a pick when Frawley left. It lets the AFL off the hook and saves them from having to make a hard decision. Pick 2 compensation for Rocky is a much easier sell to the Victorian clubs and media and realistically it would be much more justified than the Melb compensation. If that happens I would personally hope that we continue to ask for an end of round pick. I have said for a long while that that end of round pick is a good helping hand without being over the top and it would be in this situation as well.

 

[boncer34]

Is a priority pick needed or would COLA be more use to you guys?

 

[M Malice]

Is a priority pick needed or would COLA be more use to you guys?

Cost of living is cheaper up here than Melbourne if anything.

A retention allowance would be great and it could be made available to all cubs.

If you have a pre determined percentage amount of interstate players on your list you get a percentage increase in your cap. purely as an example percentages and thresholds could vary-

70% or more interstate players on your list, 10% increase in your cap. You could then graduate down to zero cap increase at say less than 40% interstate players on your list.

So if at anytime in the future a Victorian/WA/SA club had above 40% interstate players they would get the allowance as well.

 

[spotthedog1]

Is a priority pick needed or would COLA be more use to you guys?

Realistically we need both picks and allowances. Despite being out of the 8 for so long, we still are right at the bottom of the table in terms of drafted talent.

Jason's right though, we need a retention allowance, not a COLA. I've theorised about this sort of idea before. I don't think you link it to interstate players though, I think you link it to seasons-out-of-the-8.

An example could be:
Players receive an AFL-paid retention allowance (outside the cap) based on how many consecutive years since the team made finals:
0-1 season - no allowances
2 consecutive seasons - QLD/NSW players get 5% allowance.
3 consecutive seasons - VIC/SA/WA players get 5% allowance, QLD/NSW players get 10% allowance.
4+ consecutive seasons - all teams get 10% allowance.

I do think Vic/SA/WA teams need a little longer, because they can attract players easier (given the decades/centuries long development pathways in existence, and players wanting to return to their home states), and because the ASA's effectively give them more money to spend to begin with. I don't know how much in ASA's Lions players get, but given how hard it is for us to get sponsorship, I'd imagine it'd be substantially less than Vic teams.

 

[boncer34]

Yeah I used COLA coz I couldn't be assed writing retention allowance haha.

I get your thoughts, trying to make it more appealing to Victorian clubs but I think a simple Brisbane gets x% should be enough.

 

[tate13]

I personally don't think we need the priority pick and believe the AFL can do other things to help our case. When was the last time we had a Thursday or Friday night game? I understand these are earned, but Thursday night games now seem to be a regular fixture and go to interstate teams. If the club was at least given one big game a season, something to hang its hat on and give the kids a taste of a finals type atmosphere, it would IMO help significantly in terms of retention. We can't compete with Anzac Day and Queen's Birthday type games, but to have at least one fixture would give them something.
As for the priority pick. I suspect should Rockliff go (I hope he doesn't) we'll receive a priority pick in the guise of free agency compensation to appease other clubs.
Should he not go, do we not already have somewhat of a compensation pick? We're going to finish bottom of the ladder and also have first dibs on Bellanden, who will in all likelihood be a top 10 pick.

 

[M Malice]

I personally don't think we need the priority pick and believe the AFL can do other things to help our case. When was the last time we had a Thursday or Friday night game? I understand these are earned, but Thursday night games now seem to be a regular fixture and go to interstate teams. If the club was at least given one big game a season, something to hang its hat on and give the kids a taste of a finals type atmosphere, it would IMO help significantly in terms of retention. We can't compete with Anzac Day and Queen's Birthday type games, but to have at least one fixture would give them something.
As for the priority pick. I suspect should Rockliff go (I hope he doesn't) we'll receive a priority pick in the guise of free agency compensation to appease other clubs.
Should he not go, do we not already have somewhat of a compensation pick? We're going to finish bottom of the ladder and also have first dibs on Bellanden, who will in all likelihood be a top 10 pick.

We wont be given a prime time stand alone slot until we start winning regularly, if we were given one in the sate we are in now there wouldn't be anymore than 13,000-17,000 at the gabba anyway.

With a family on the way now I think Rocky wants to stay, at least I hope so. If we finish the year with 1-2 wins I can not see how they could deny a PP.

 

[tate13]

We wont be given a prime time stand alone slot until we start winning regularly, if we were given one in the sate we are in now there wouldn't be anymore than 13,000-17,000 at the gabba anyway.

With a family on the way now I think Rocky wants to stay, at least I hope so. If we finish the year with 1-2 wins I can not see how they could deny a PP.

I understand the reasoning behind not getting a stand alone slot, I'm saying in terms of retention strategy and help the AFL can provide, it has the potential to be significant. Against the right opposition at the right time of the season, we'd get over 20,000. Our round two clash against Essendon after a strong win for example.

 

[Dalions]

I personally don't think we need the priority pick and believe the AFL can do other things to help our case. When was the last time we had a Thursday or Friday night game? I understand these are earned, but Thursday night games now seem to be a regular fixture and go to interstate teams. If the club was at least given one big game a season, something to hang its hat on and give the kids a taste of a finals type atmosphere, it would IMO help significantly in terms of retention. We can't compete with Anzac Day and Queen's Birthday type games, but to have at least one fixture would give them something.
As for the priority pick. I suspect should Rockliff go (I hope he doesn't) we'll receive a priority pick in the guise of free agency compensation to appease other clubs.
Should he not go, do we not already have somewhat of a compensation pick? We're going to finish bottom of the ladder and also have first dibs on Bellanden, who will in all likelihood be a top 10 pick.

Didnt do us any good last time.
We got a Friday night game a few years ago at the Gabba against the pies and got smashed. I think they actually got booed off the ground at one point.

 

[tate13]

Didnt do us any good last time.
We got a Friday night game a few years ago at the Gabba against the pies and got smashed. I think they actually got booed off the ground at one point.

I remember the game. i don't think it's relevant to my argument though. Having a marquee game gives the young players a taste of relevance and the club something to promote.

 

[spotthedog1]

Yeah I used COLA coz I couldn't be assed writing retention allowance haha.

I get your thoughts, trying to make it more appealing to Victorian clubs but I think a simple Brisbane gets x% should be enough.

Fair enough. My thoughts aren't about trying to make it more attractive to Vic clubs though - it's trying to future-proof it against AFL House's policy of "we'll do whatever we want and worry about justifying it later". They stripped COLA from us when we won. They stripped COLA and issued draft sanctions when Sydney snared Buddy. I think we need a system that helps out (particularly the non-AFL states) when we're down the bottom, and then stops when we're on top - otherwise, we'll make the finals, snare one big fish, and they'll take everything away again.

 

[Fatcat08]

Brisbane never had COLA

 

[spotthedog1]

Call it what you want. We had it, they took it away because we were too successful.

 

[lionshine]

Call it what you want. We had it, they took it away because we were too successful.

A retention allowance available to all clubs subject to you having a certain percentage of interstate players on your list

I always find it amusing when opposition supporters try and label it as some sort of hugeeee advantage that gifted us a 3 peat. If it was that big of an advantage, why didn't some Victorian clubs for example solely draft interstate players for a few years until they met the criteria to receive the cap increase?

 

[Fatcat08]

Call it what you want. We had it, they took it away because we were too successful.

A retention allowance available to all clubs subject to you having a certain percentage of interstate players on your list

This.

 

[LongLion]

We wont be given a prime time stand alone slot until we start winning regularly, if we were given one in the sate we are in now there wouldn't be anymore than 13,000-17,000 at the gabba anyway.

With a family on the way now I think Rocky wants to stay, at least I hope so. If we finish the year with 1-2 wins I can not see how they could deny a PP.

How did Carlton get a Friday night game this year. Sorry, forgot a friday carlton game is good for the competition

 

[M Malice]

How did Carlton get a Friday night game this year. Sorry, forgot a friday carlton game is good for the competition

They do draw slightly larger crowds than us also LongLion.

 

[Quigley]

It always annoyed me that we pioneered the Easter Thursday match but as soon as it was popular it was stripped from us an given to other clubs. I thought there was even an agreement with the government in place guaranteeing us those games and yet there was nothing said when we lost the games. That kind of thing tends not to happen to Victorian clubs.

 

[pulpdriver]

Just spoken about priority pick on Talking Footy. Secondhand info on Swann saying we're focusing on winning games but would look at a submission later in the season. Someone from AFL house (didn't catch the name) had told the reporter that they would consider anything submitted by us but reporter emphasised it would be an end of first round pick and not pick 2.

Tim Watson and Carey both said they'd be happy for us to get a priority pick, but they felt that it should be end of first round (surprise, surprise) but Duck moved onto the topic of our issue then retaining that player.

 

[Gibbo_88]

Just spoken about priority pick on Talking Footy. Secondhand info on Swann saying we're focusing on winning games but would look at a submission later in the season. Someone from AFL house (didn't catch the name) had told the reporter that they would consider anything submitted by us but reporter emphasised it would be an end of first round pick and not pick 2.

Tim Watson and Carey both said they'd be happy for us to get a priority pick, but they felt that it should be end of first round (surprise, surprise) but Duck moved onto the topic of our issue then retaining that player.

I wonder if we'll ever be relevant again. End of 1st round would be just another insult to our sad situation. If any of the big 4 clubs had a massive form dip for 2 years to our level, the pressure would be on for months to give an proper priority pick and I bet a mid round would be offered. Won't happen though because they can pinch our players when they need to rebuild.

 

[chopperduck]

I would be happy with an End of first round PP again. I think handing out pick 2's to any clubs can be a bit dangerous. Whilst we still need that top end talent, pick 19 can still achieve things, perhaps even at the trade table. 19 pick is high enough to maybe snag a decent draftee, maybe not top A grade talent, but still good kids that any rebuilding club would need. Otherwise i think it has good general currency at the trade table. Also helps being an academy club as it is essentially a bunch more points as well.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Maybe if we told the AFL we would trade pick 1 on the proviso we had pick 2. They would be more likely to give us the PP.

Which if we had pick 1 & 2 would be a great option

 

[Dylan12]

Given our hopeless plight for so long, coupled with the continued drain of our top players, I just don't get how anyone can say we shouldn't get pick 2. Seriously, what's pick 19 going to do? Those who advocate for anything bar pick 2 are simply pandering to VFL House and ignoring how diabolical our plight is. Five more years of this and they may as well voluntarily wind the club up because even now it is getting to the pointless stage.