Opinion The case for Harves

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when you talk about past heros coming back the talk of Voss and Hird comes up but we also forget the likes of Worsfold who as a past legend became highly successful coaching his team .. Ratten in hinesite was doing a remarkable job with a pretty dud organisation who wanted to skip the process and bring in a big name to get them up and about ... two of our top three coaches success wise were fromer players for our club Jeans and GT so appointing Harves to me doesnt worry me as such ... i note harves is going to be on the Front Bar this week , the only knock on harves is he isnt the media darling who looks comfortable being interviewed i guess thats something he has been working on and i guess seeing how he go's on that show will hold some weight in the consideration if he is ready for that next step.. credential wise he has every box ticked and i think there certainly will be a marketability of him as coach (he may see a huge surge in membership as our coach) , also i feel there are a few blokes in our team with his influence who will improve in spades with him in charge ...
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i dont see why he wouldnt be high on the list of potentials ... he even has a good relationship with Ratten so that could continue ....
 
st_trav_ofWA said:
when you talk about past heros coming back the talk of Voss and Hird comes up but we also forget the likes of Worsfold who as a past legend became highly successful coaching his team .. Ratten in hinesite was doing a remarkable job with a pretty dud organisation who wanted to skip the process and bring in a big name to get them up and about ... two of our top three coaches success wise were fromer players for our club Jeans and GT so appointing Harves to me doesnt worry me as such ... i note harves is going to be on the Front Bar this week , the only knock on harves is he isnt the media darling who looks comfortable being interviewed i guess thats something he has been working on and i guess seeing how he go's on that show will hold some weight in the consideration if he is ready for that next step.. credential wise he has every box ticked and i think there certainly will be a marketability of him as coach (he may see a huge surge in membership as our coach) , also i feel there are a few blokes in our team with his influence who will improve in spades with him in charge ...
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i dont see why he wouldnt be high on the list of potentials ... he even has a good relationship with Ratten so that could continue ....
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If we kept Ratten as a wise old head, then I see no problem TBH.
 

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VDS66 said:
Just like Watters?

When did you take him back?

Just like you spat out Malthouse straight after a flag?
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Watters went back to WA. He was a Malthouse man anyway.

I was referring to spitting out assistants made senior coaches - Malthouse wasn't an assistant...and we didn't 'spit him out', he was offered the director of coaching job but changed his mind.

Richardson wes director of coaching at Port. Was development manager at Collingwood in the early 2000's and helped develop players such as Pendlebury.
Would take him back in a similar role in a heartbeat.
 
The Filth said:
Watters went back to WA. He was a Malthouse man anyway.

I was referring to spitting out assistants made senior coaches - Malthouse wasn't an assistant...and we didn't 'spit him out', he was offered the director of coaching job but changed his mind.

Richardson wes director of coaching at Port. Was development manager at Collingwood in the early 2000's and helped develop players such as Pendlebury.
Would take him back in a similar role in a heartbeat.
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He's all yours... Where do i drop him off?
 
st_trav_ofWA said:
i note harves is going to be on the Front Bar this week , the only knock on harves is he isnt the media darling who looks comfortable being interviewed i guess thats something he has been working on and i guess seeing how he go's on that show will hold some weight in the consideration if he is ready for that next step.
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The timing of his appearance is telling imo. A guy who rarely does media, going on the biggest footy show on tv. And on a week where the spotlight is well and truly on Richo. Smells to me like someone is putting his hand up publicly, "Hey fellas, if there's an opening, I'm ready and I want the job!"
 
VDS66 said:
I reckon Banger harbours the ambition to return home to his club and lead us to the holy grail.

Might be time to bring him.home and fulfil the prophecy that the great man Barks was cruelly denied.

Now there's a story you can sell to the supporters!
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Did anyone else see Banger on the Front Bar? I didn't think he boosted his chances of getting a senior gig with that performance. I know it's only a football show, but his answers were vague, responses rambling, and the umms are already as annoying as Cho's pleasing and positive.

He seemed quite inarticulate, making Cho sound like Bill Clinton as an orator. Communication is such an important part of the top coaching job. I hope he's better in front of the players. That performance was sleep inducing.
 
VDS66 said:
Why are you here arguing?
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Not arguing. Just amending the record.
Apart from the Pies winning the next thing I would love to see in AFL is for the Saints to be successful and finally break their hoodoo.
Especially for my disabled niece who is a rabid Saints fan and has had severe health problems over the years.
I would dearly love to see her witness a Saints flag.
Just hoping the next coach (assuming Richo is gone) is the right choice and can deliver.
Watters and Richo are both fine individuals and actually good coaches. There are a myriad of reasons as to their lack of success.
Saints need rejuvination from the top down - preferably an experienced senior coach in charge. Richo would be a great manager of your football department under a re-structure if he were prepared to stay on in some capacity, same as he was at Port.
All the beat.:thumbsu:
 
Drake Huggins said:
Did anyone else see Banger on the Front Bar? I didn't think he boosted his chances of getting a senior gig with that performance. I know it's only a football show, but his answers were vague, responses rambling, and the umms are already as annoying as Cho's pleasing and positive.

He seemed quite inarticulate, making Cho sound like Bill Clinton as an orator. Communication is such an important part of the top coaching job. I hope he's better in front of the players. That performance was sleep inducing.
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Just get him to have his face tattooed with freckles and he's good to go...
 
The Filth said:
Not arguing. Just amending the record.
Apart from the Pies winning the next thing I would love to see in AFL is for the Saints to be successful and finally break their hoodoo.
Especially for my disabled niece who is a rabid Saints fan and has had severe health problems over the years.
I would dearly love to see her witness a Saints flag.
Just hoping the next coach (assuming Richo is gone) is the right choice and can deliver.
Watters and Richo are both fine individuals and actually good coaches. There are a myriad of reasons as to their lack of success.
Saints need rejuvination from the top down - preferably an experienced senior coach in charge. Richo would be a great manager of your football department under a re-structure if he were prepared to stay on in some capacity.
All the beat.:thumbsu:
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I'll give you Richo, but Watters?

Are you related to him?

You might want to have this conversation with people employed at the club during his tenure.
 
VDS66 said:
I'll give you Richo, but Watters?

Are you related to him?

You might want to have this conversation with people employed at the club during his tenure.
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Not related - through a mate I know people who worked with Watters at Subiaco though.
I understand he was frustrated at the Saints and was an angry elf. Probably not at his best.
 
Jughead77 said:
The timing of his appearance is telling imo. A guy who rarely does media, going on the biggest footy show on tv. And on a week where the spotlight is well and truly on Richo. Smells to me like someone is putting his hand up publicly, "Hey fellas, if there's an opening, I'm ready and I want the job!"
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Exactly what he said . But he is always so awkward when being probed by the media I just don’t think he is made for the scrutiny of daily media appearances and communicating outwardly . He is so reserved .
 
VDS66 said:
I reckon Banger harbours the ambition to return home to his club and lead us to the holy grail.

Might be time to bring him.home and fulfil the prophecy that the great man Barks was cruelly denied.

Now there's a story you can sell to the supporters!
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I think he would be best served with a coaching advisor or general manager like someone suggested who was the mouth piece and face and he coached .
He does speak terribly
 
Drake Huggins said:
Did anyone else see Banger on the Front Bar? I didn't think he boosted his chances of getting a senior gig with that performance. I know it's only a football show, but his answers were vague, responses rambling, and the umms are already as annoying as Cho's pleasing and positive.

He seemed quite inarticulate, making Cho sound like Bill Clinton as an orator. Communication is such an important part of the top coaching job. I hope he's better in front of the players. That performance was sleep inducing.
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I’d looked forward all week to watch that but he was terrible . Nervous with no spark of personality at all
 
Drake Huggins said:
Did anyone else see Banger on the Front Bar? I didn't think he boosted his chances of getting a senior gig with that performance. I know it's only a football show, but his answers were vague, responses rambling, and the umms are already as annoying as Cho's pleasing and positive.

He seemed quite inarticulate, making Cho sound like Bill Clinton as an orator. Communication is such an important part of the top coaching job. I hope he's better in front of the players. That performance was sleep inducing.
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I couldve told you that years ago. he is not a speaker and cannot communicate in public. For me its cringeworthy.
 
Parkers tatts said:
I’d looked forward all week to watch that but he was terrible . Nervous with no spark of personality at all
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thats what i said on the other page. he would make a terrible head coach just becuase he cou;ldn't speak to the public very well.
 
PoppedCorn said:
What was harves position at that time, i can't remember
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he was senior midfield coach and also had stepped up to be the interim coach for our trade period .. from what i hear he was not given the top job as they felt his experiance wasnt quite there with successful clubs hence he left to go to collingwood
 
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