The Chad

[Firestorm]

Egan was the player Derek Hine wanted that year and we picked him. You obviously have a preference for large bottomed midfielders who are slow, exacltly the same as the Wiz who you rip into any chance you get, the irony! Which means you would have wanted a player like Hurn over Pendlebury. Maybe if you realized that some players develop faster than others (one reason of which is body type) this would help calm your belligerence towards the club and you wouldn't have to keep changing your internet identity.

Oh come on Chip, theres a world of difference between a tank and a Shak... a Wiz and a fizz

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

The point is, we drafted Chris Egan, a 187cm flanker with pace and x-factor skills. The other players we were said to be interested in were Matthew Bate and Danny Meyer, both tall, pacy, skilled runners. Go nuts complaining that we didn't draft Matthew Bate, as he has looked better to date - Despite the fact that it is still ridiculously early.

I mean, Chris Egan has probably done about as much as Richard Tambling, and it's still being suggested that he needs more time.

If we had any interest in a Jordan Lewis type of player, we would have been targeting someone like him, such as Adam Thomson, Angus Monfries or Andrew McQualter - All inside midfielders who went in the first round.

However, we were desperate to add some pace and flair into the side - As I've said before, there is a 0% chance that we would have drafted Jordan Lewis in that draft.

 

[Jimbeam]

Vinnie i heard it was out of egan and lewis. Lewis is the type we need right now, not another flashy flanker, we have way too many of those types and not enough tough insider mids coming through.

 

[Firestorm]

However, we were desperate to add some pace and flair into the side - As I've said before, there is a 0% chance that we would have drafted Jordan Lewis in that draft.

Not really interested in excuses for why we got it wrong... just pissed we managed to get is so wrong... cant afford to make mistakes in the top 10... and the Chad was a contributing factor... just hope the lesson is learnt now

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

cant afford to make mistakes in the top 10... and the Chad was a contributing factor...

How did he contribute, unless we missed out on someone drafted at 7, 8 or 9?

The logic would be that considering we weren't going to draft Lewis, Meesen or Russell, that it couldn't have cost us that much.

People are forgetting that Lewis was seen as a MAJOR stretch at #7 at the time. He was predicted to be a late first round/early second round prospect. Sure, they got it right, but I would doubt that anyone else would have draft him that highly, including Collingwood.

This is all just tantamount to having a bitch because a player we could have drafted is doing better right at this minute than a player that we DID draft.

We could be having a cry about how Justin Sherman is better than Adam Iacobucci too - In fact, why not go over all the drafts there have been and cry about every possibly error?

Egan still has time on his side, and in my opinion, he'll be a quality AFL player.

 

[Firestorm]

How did he contribute, unless we missed out on someone drafted at 7, 8 or 9?

When Chad became the focus objectivity was lost... the human brain is a strange beast and will come up with all sorts of valid sounding arguments to get what it wants... but putting all that aside they simply did not pick the best talent available... and in the top 10 that will kill you! Most mock drafts didn't even have Egan in the first round let alone top 10... Looking for flair and X factor is no excuse for getting it wrong... the golden rule is pick the best despite your needs... they screwed up!

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

they simply did not pick the best talent available... and in the top 10 that will kill you!

Perhaps, but as I said, this is going to be the case no matter where we picked. We COULD have picked Justin Sherman at that pick, and he is better than Jordan Lewis to me, but this kind of complaint is silly and futile. No club picks the best player on the board at every pick.

Most mock drafts didn't even have Egan in the first round let alone top 10...

Completely factually incorrect. Don't remember reading many that didn't have him inside the first round, if any at all.

Burgan had him at #13.

Looking for flair and X factor is no excuse for getting it wrong... the golden rule is pick the best despite your needs... they screwed up!

This is yet another entire school of thought which can be debated ad nauseum.

Taking who was considered to be the best players available in 2005 may have led to us taking Josh Kennedy and Patrick Ryder. If we then went for the best available again in 2006, we take Ben Reid and Nathan Brown again, and we're a team full of giants with no midfield prospects.

At the same, we had Burns, Licuria and O'Bree all in their primes - We were one year removed from a Grand Final, and we looked in desperate need of skill. It's not as though they decided they needed a nuggety back pocket, and picked that - They went with a player who was rated right around the mark.

 

[turned over a new leaf]

Spot on Vinnie

I agree Lewis is a trier but the bloke is a very average player - what gave me the shits about that draft was drafting iaccabucci.

What possessed Hiney - somehow I sense he was forced into it by Mick Maltywood or Neil Blamey.

We should have taken Betts (all-australian).

I agree though with Vinnie's point that you have to get the combination right across the various drafts.

I think Hine overall has blended the various types together very skillfully - I am confident that Egan can develop into a quality player for us. He must be incl for the power.

 

[Firestorm]

I agree Lewis is a trier but the bloke is a very average player

Yeah well he is averaging more disposals than Judd at the moment and every single one of them hits a mark... very average

 

[Firestorm]

Perhaps, but as I said, this is going to be the case no matter where we picked. We COULD have picked Justin Sherman at that pick, and he is better than Jordan Lewis to me

Sherman was not touted top 10, nor was Egan... We tried to get cute by going for X factor and picking up a hack instead of the best kid available... they got it wrong

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Sherman was not touted top 10, nor was Egan... We tried to get cute by going for X factor and picking up a hack instead of the best kid available... they got it wrong

Neither was Pendlebury. You win some you lose some.

Egan's hardly a write-off.

 

[ShepBoy]

if your aunty had balls she would be your uncle. no use crying over spilt milk when the horse has bolted .what is done is done. perhaps we could sack everyone. would you like that?

Exactly. Over and over and over agains on these old topics. B O R I N G.

 

[Firestorm]

Exactly. Over and over and over agains on these old topics. B O R I N G.

Well we could discuss your teams drug problem but you guys are super sensitive about that too

 

[Firestorm]

Neither was Pendlebury. You win some you lose some.

Thats true but.. The Chad made that particular loser very hard to swallow... it showed a certain mentality by the recruiting department... a particular mindset that will never produce a flag... as I said, hopefully the lesson has been learnt

 

[ChipDouglas]

When Chad became the focus objectivity was lost... the human brain is a strange beast and will come up with all sorts of valid sounding arguments to get what it wants... but putting all that aside they simply did not pick the best talent available... and in the top 10 that will kill you! Most mock drafts didn't even have Egan in the first round let alone top 10... Looking for flair and X factor is no excuse for getting it wrong... the golden rule is pick the best despite your needs... they screwed up!

The golden rule is pick the best player despite your needs? Exactly the thinking that has the Bulldogs with an abundunce of outside runners and a dogs breakfast for a goal to goal line. Jack Riewoldt is there and they pick Anderjs Everitt who plays center half back when they have Tom Williams who plays the same position. Or the poor old Detroit Lions who took wide receivers 3 years in a row (two of which turned out to be busts) and this year have pick two and the second best player is a wide receiver. Your thinking is flawed, we last year shored up our key position stocks for the next decade something we needed to do with Rocca, Wakelin and Presti getting up there in years. And our team in the early years of this millenium played like chartered accountants, we needed some speed and flair which is why we took Egan. And FYI Craig Cameron is on the record as saying he was going to take Egan with Melbourne's pick 13 and we got him at ten which is where most recruiters based his talent level, mid to late first round. You don't have to like him but that won't be hard, your don't appear to like anything about the club.

 

[Firestorm]

The golden rule is pick the best player despite your needs? Exactly the thinking that has the Bulldogs with an abundunce of outside runners and a dogs breakfast for a goal to goal line.

Rubbish... they have a specific policy of picking for need... they want the fastest running team in the league... if anything they are the perfect example of picking for need blowing up in your face... they don't want talls

As for Egan's speed and flair I have'nt seen it to date... not even in the Magoos where he currently resides

 

[ChipDouglas]

AFL Prospectus: Egan was a multiple goalkicker four times in his 11 games in 2006, IMPROVING his numbers from his debut season. He averaged 14 diposals and three inside 50s last year and was part of the Collingwood side in it's final eight games avearaging 16 disposals and kicking 12 goals.

Prospectus 2007 prediction: In his third season he may well be one of the big improvers.

PS He is returning from a recent broken thumb.

Here's another stat for you Firestorm, In 2006 Lewis hit the target by foot 73% of the time. Yep, slow plyers who can't kick, we certainly need more of them!!!

 

[Firestorm]

Here's another stat for you Firestorm, In 2006 Lewis hit the target by foot 73% of the time. Yep, slow plyers who can't kick, we certainly need more of them!!!

Maybe it's just years of watching Collingwood players disposal but 73% actually sounds good to me

Anyway you might want to check the 2007 stats for Lewis just so you can see a champion player living up to his promise rather than having to make excuses for one that isn't

 

[ChipDouglas]

You might want to check the 2007 stats for Lewis just so you can see a champion midfielder living up to his promise rather than having to make excuses for one that isn't

Three matches two of which were against bottom 4 sides in The D's and the Kangaroos is a minute sample. Do I need to explain to you how statistics work as well?

 

[Firestorm]

Three matches two of which were against bottom 4 sides in The D's and the Kangaroos is a minute sample. Do I need to explain to you how statistics work as well?

You are just full of excuses but numbers don't lie

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/f...rankings?rt=LA

I'd rather see Lewis in black and white averaging more than Judd than having to watch Egan struggle to get a kick and then spraying it when he finally does in the Magoos

 

[Firestorm]

Oh and here's another boring stat... of the top 35 players averaging the highest disposals in the league Lewis is by far the youngest (several years) and sitting in 7th spot above the likes of Judd and Black in a team that has Mitchell, Hodge and Crawford taking possessions away from him

Yeah he's a shocker Chip, thank goodness we didn't get him

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?rt=LA

 

[ChipDouglas]

Yawn! It's now become obvious you're a closet Hawthorn supporter living life on the Collingwood board as a parasite.

 

[Firestorm]

Yawn! It's now become obvious you're a closet Hawthorn supporter living life on the Collingwood board as a parasite.

Just wave the white flag man... no need to get nasty

 

[turned over a new leaf]

Firey - generally you are spot on but you cant be seriously telling us that Lewis is the type of player we need. I was all stressed that we were going to take young Selwood last year and he is better than Jordan.

Lewis is a trier - no penetration in his kicking he gets cheap stuff out wide. The efficiency arting of blokes he stand out by themeslves out wide shoud be higher. By the way what is his career goals record. He is not one of the Hawks he does the hard yards up the middle like Sammy Mitchell. If he was your example you would have a good case.

Properly handled no doubt at all Egan can be a quality player...

Egan for the port game

 

[Firestorm]

Firey - generally you are spot on but you cant be seriously telling us that Lewis is the type of player we need. I was all stressed that we were going to take young Selwood last year and he is better than Jordan.

Lewis is a trier - no penetration in his kicking he gets cheap stuff out wide.

You are talking about a previous incarnation, the kid has developed out of sight, faster, stronger, more accurate, hard ball contested possessions, not that I really believe he was ever as bad as you make out... I've watched him this year... he is exactly what we need... unless of course you have a time machine for Bucks and Burnsy

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