Roast The Chronicles of Alan Richardson

Who will be head coach in 2019?

  • Alan Richardson

    Votes: 24 20.2%
  • Mark Williams

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Brett Ratten

    Votes: 65 54.6%
  • Robert Harvey

    Votes: 12 10.1%
  • Mark Thompson

    Votes: 14 11.8%

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Doug Hogan 23

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Lots of pussies haven't lived through the 80's here, the club will thrive and survive if we stick fat. Not everyone can be at the top in an 18 team comp, sadly for us some bozo at head office decided to introduce free agency and that was the moment we were consigned to an extended misery. However, it will turn, lets get excited about the draft and hopefully some elite talent coming in.

If anyone thinks its just the coach then IMO they don't understand footy, he doesn't kick it or drop a mark or hit the post from 10 metres out, that's someone who doesn't take their job seriously enough and have 50 shots at goal after training.

These are all first world problems over a bunch of blokes kicking a bag of air, everyone needs to get a grip, rich aint getting sacked!
 

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i spend all f**king year building membership for our club as do my counterparts across the country we put in time effort money and our skills cause its our club we love , no matter who is coach no matter who we draft or trade we do this for our club ... by all means if you have had enough of supporting our club then do so but for f**ks sake take you promotion of others leaving our club elsewhere .. i get it your pissed off with the year well guess what so am i but the big picture is a dropping membership may achieve what you want in Richo getting sacked but it will also result in sponsors walking away it will also result in the club having to tighten the belts again , it will result in us going deeper and deeper into a hole ... but hey you will have your guy sacked .....
you got concerns and gripes to air fine come down to our AGM in October Peter will be there tell him your gripe heck ill call Matt for you and you can talk to him but dont undo what 100s of dedicated saints people have built with our membership ...
by all meands bag the coach bag the board but dont undermind our club
again you are targeting me, this is becoming an ongoing theme. you need to calm down. take a breath.

i am not the reason why people are leaving. i doubt anyone even knows who i am. you are posting like you think i'm responsible for it or are campaigning for people to cancel their memberships.

i'd love to know how i am promoting it. how am i doing that?

how is sacking richo going to mean the sponsors leave? i would have thought low exposure through poor results will do more damage to that.
 

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I’m only 25, but I certainly can’t recall our supporter base being as angry and disenchanted as they are now. I certainly feel this.

I want to ask the older supporters about the times during the Watson/blight years as I was too young to really remember. Is this period worse than then? Do you guys feel more angry and lost at what the club is doing?

I reckon we were always shit when I was growing up so 97 was like party time, when it all fell apart it just seemed like what we did. GT and Lyon had us up so long that they reset expectation. I find now much harder to deal with. We had a lot more individual stars when we were shit in the past too. This feels as heart breaking a period as I remember.
 

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it won't get to that point, new boards are hard to come by.

just don't renew your membership, email or call the club and inform them why. enough people do that and i doubt the current plan of keeping richo, sexton and kingsley comes to fruition.
It won't change a thing. What club has ever made change to their football department based off of what a supporter group says or does.

Club isn't stupid. They can see there's clear issues with what's happening on field this year. They don't need to be told that by supporters IMO.

I've received a few PM's on how people can get in touch with the club lately to vent their frustrations. I think it's a pointless exercise.

You wouldn't believe how hard the clubs working to turn it around.

All this doom & gloom talk is a bit over the top. Someone mentioned they can evaluate how intense and hungry we are for the contest depending on if we do star jumps on the mark or not.

Is there anything the club is actually doing right or is it all going to waste because we've lost games of football.

Club has never been run as well as it is right now. Nobody expected the season we are having but christ it's definitely not as bad as people make it out to be.
 

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I recommend reading a few recent posts by ToT on SS. He’s one of the most respected posters on all saints forums.
As a matter of fact, I've have just received some information over the interwebs, from someone who is closer to proceedings than me;

"Just clarify a small point Summers & Finnis asked Lethlean to conduct a review
of football department but the terms of reference (club insider's advice)
excepted one person ..........Alan Richardson ...... pretty clear hence why all the
assistants, when asked to give reports on why they should keep their jobs, knew they were
screwed before it started."

But, wait, there's more (I need to doctor this a bit)- one of the lesser coaches was sounded out, about his willingness to accept an interim role, should they not be able to construct a case to justify Richardson continuing on (or, I'm assuming, things going from the current just woeful, to catastrophic, by season's end). The sounded out one said "No". Plus, something about not being able to contract 'new' coaches until the end of October (dunno about that, not my field).

Somebody also seems to be concerned about mounting negative publicity not being good for the general mood, and the immediate prospects of attracting various needed talent. It also seems the coach might soon cop a real flogging on at least one of those free to air 'analysis (HA!) and commentary programs. Producers do tend to advise what's coming up, and ask for representation to appear, or responses to questions and suggestions.

This is one of the moments when I refuse to take any responsibility! I'm just passing it on! Although, the author does have some reasonably solid history, ITK wise.
 

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so what do you want him to say ??? "we are shit... no hope supporting us... go follow Richmond" ? he has admitted that we set our expectations too high to our actual ability.. thats him admitting we got it wrong (that you have been calling for) the fact is we have played some very good football in some very small patches the issue is our lapse in concentration we get blown away ...
I rallied back in the day when we had the Save Our Saints campaign, stood on Nepean Hwy in the pissing rain and driving wind collecting 5 and 10 cent donations from people at the lights. Trevor Barker gave up a fortune in owed wages so we could survive. These people who are cancelling memberships dont really care about our club, they just think they do. **** them!!!
 

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so what do you want him to say ??? "we are shit... no hope supporting us... go follow Richmond" ? he has admitted that we set our expectations too high to our actual ability.. thats him admitting we got it wrong (that you have been calling for) the fact is we have played some very good football in some very small patches the issue is our lapse in concentration we get blown away ...
did you read what i posted he literally said the expectations are correct:
"I think where we’re at right now is a reflection of not meeting our capabilities more than setting expectations that are beyond those capabilities."
 

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did we do anything to stop JJ's influence. like literally anything at all?
what could we do ?
we put gears on him he blew him off , we put lonie the threw him around , Freezer went to him he lost him in conjestion ...
im not saying Richo was coaching well be litterally who could have stopped him ? Billings wasnt going to Gresh was trying to get on the ball so we could get him delivering the ball ... we had no match up for him that was going to work
 

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what could we do ?
we put gears on him he blew him off , we put lonie the threw him around , Freezer went to him he lost him in conjestion ...
im not saying Richo was coaching well be litterally who could have stopped him ? Billings wasnt going to Gresh was trying to get on the ball so we could get him delivering the ball ... we had no match up for him that was going to work
did we try dmac?
 

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but i also dont belive in burning the place down cause we got some things wrong ..
Some things? Admin, coaching, drafting, free agency, development, team culture and leadership have all been gigantic failures.

We've been set up for a dark age.

You'd be better off burning the place to the ground and rebuilding, as appose to letting these shit trucks **** up yet again.

Finnis, Cho & Geary are just not the blokes to lead us to a flag. It's incredibly embarrassing.
 

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Also @ itks or anyone.

What the hell has Brandon White done that he’s been banished to VFL.

Correct if if I’m wrong but Bazza came in and was genuinely most AFL ready kid we’ve had along with Gresham since Luke Ball.

Came in with a great kick, composed with the pill and could take a grab.

I remember last year or the year before he came back after doing the Paddy diet but he’s been Mia all year which is strange he was miles ahead of Dmac who was delist potential (Not to me campaigners I backed him since day 1) and by extension Paton.
 

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Some things? Admin, coaching, drafting, free agency, development, team culture and leadership have all been gigantic failures.

We've been set up for a dark age.

You'd be better off burning the place to the ground and rebuilding, as appose to letting these shit trucks **** up yet again.

Finnis, Cho & Geary are just not the blokes to lead us to a flag. It's incredibly embarrassing.
At a guess 90% of rusted on supporters agree with you. The remaining 10% will come around after the fact (when Richo is punted).
 

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again you are targeting me, this is becoming an ongoing theme. you need to calm down. take a breath.

i am not the reason why people are leaving. i doubt anyone even knows who i am. you are posting like you think i'm responsible for it or are campaigning for people to cancel their memberships.

i'd love to know how i am promoting it. how am i doing that?

how is sacking richo going to mean the sponsors leave? i would have thought low exposure through poor results will do more damage to that.
just don't renew your membership.
 

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"Just clarify a small point Summers & Finnis asked Lethlean to conduct a review
of football department but the terms of reference (club insider's advice)
excepted one person ..........Alan Richardson ...... pretty clear hence why all the
assistants, when asked to give reports on why they should keep their jobs, knew they were
screwed before it started."
:eek:.

Damning stuff if true, what a sham of a review.
 

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I’ve tried to bite my tongue on this topic for 2 years now but I honestly think Richo is getting worse, not better. Some of his pig headedness (particularly at selection) has been astounding. Players knowing that some of their teammates get a free pass on certain aspects of Richo’s “gameplan” while others are ridiculed in front of everyone.
The absolutely farcical gameplan that Richo came up with over summer that was identical to the previous years, even though everyone knows that it won’t work. Then over the whole pre season we can see that it’s not working but we don’t fine tune, we just keep rolling along.
The game in Geelong where Richo was petrified of a hiding so he played 1-2 extras around the footy all game, giving us absolutely no hope at all of winning from the first bounce. To see him chuffed that we were winning clearance but bombing it long to Paddy vs 3 Cats defenders was embarrassing. We continued with this crap all game to lose by 50 points while kicking 7 goals. This was the final nail in the coffin for me, seeing our youngsters running around clearly frustrated, clearly knowing they were being given no hope to win by their coach. Players were pleading to line coaches at the breaks to at least even the numbers up in front of the footy only to be ignored. Line coaches being ignored when pleading to change set ups as it wasn’t working.
Only a few in the media really highlighted the worst tactical effort from an AFL coach that I’ve ever seen, and Robbo was one of them.
How can our youngsters ever hope to learn when that is the way they are being asked to play?
I have nothing personal against Richo, he’s a decent bloke as we all know, but I can’t stay silent and let him ruin players careers. Our club is in crisis and if we do indeed keep Richo for at least another year then I shudder to think where our footy club will be at. I won’t say anymore, I’m just so upset with where my club is at and where it’s headed. Bloody heartbreaking.
Unreal
We are going to lose players if they have no confidence
This is my biggest gripe, player development.
I dont think its happening and its going to cost us
 

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"When he loses the players he will go"
So do you think he Has the players atm?
Well judging by Blake Acres looks on Saturday night Richo definitely hasn’t got him.. Blake was just trotting around all night, with who gives a shit attitude & I don’t blame him. Any other team and he would be a top class midfielder, not a bloody stop gap for all positions on the ground.
 

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again you are targeting me, this is becoming an ongoing theme. you need to calm down. take a breath.

i am not the reason why people are leaving. i doubt anyone even knows who i am. you are posting like you think i'm responsible for it or are campaigning for people to cancel their memberships.

i'd love to know how i am promoting it. how am i doing that?

how is sacking richo going to mean the sponsors leave? i would have thought low exposure through poor results will do more damage to that.
im not targeting you at all ... i do actually like you and will buy you a beer any time but i am targeting your comment saying "just dont renew your membership"
you may not be the reason people are leaving but your coment promotes the theory that to show the club you are not happy leave ... thats fine if you feel that way but dont advertise that to people sitting on the fence .. for people i have and others have spent time bringing to the club and trying to keep them at the club ...

you need to read what i said ... sacking richo wont cost us sponsor losing members costs us sponsors ... if by your reasoning the only way to remove richo is to cancel your membership then the damage will be felt all the way across the club .
 

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It won't change a thing. What club has ever made change to their football department based off of what a supporter group says or does.

Club isn't stupid. They can see there's clear issues with what's happening on field this year. They don't need to be told that by supporters IMO.

I've received a few PM's on how people can get in touch with the club lately to vent their frustrations. I think it's a pointless exercise.

You wouldn't believe how hard the clubs working to turn it around.

All this doom & gloom talk is a bit over the top. Someone mentioned they can evaluate how intense and hungry we are for the contest depending on if we do star jumps on the mark or not.

Is there anything the club is actually doing right or is it all going to waste because we've lost games of football.

Club has never been run as well as it is right now. Nobody expected the season we are having but christ it's definitely not as bad as people make it out to be.
the voice of reason
 

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This forum has bipolar sometimes I reckon lol. Lets just get to the end of the year mostly injury free, give it a few months and by November/December after the draft and trade period people will get the optimism back again and rejoin...according to the AFL we increased our membership by 4,000 this year. People will still sign up, our club won't be going anywhere but we need as many supporters as we can get. If you really want to make a stand do it a different way. There's enough fairweather Saints supporters out there who won't renew. Lets not compound the problem with all of us (die hards) not renewing either.
 

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Also @ itks or anyone.

What the hell has Brandon White done that he’s been banished to VFL.

Correct if if I’m wrong but Bazza came in and was genuinely most AFL ready kid we’ve had along with Gresham since Luke Ball.

Came in with a great kick, composed with the pill and could take a grab.

I remember last year or the year before he came back after doing the Paddy diet but he’s been Mia all year which is strange he was miles ahead of Dmac who was delist potential (Not to me campaigners I backed him since day 1) and by extension Paton.
His biggest problem is we’ve got 85 half backs on our list, tough to get a gig when there’s really only 3 spots available at a time. Particularly when one is our captain and Webster who is in career best.
 

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:eek:.

Damning stuff if true, what a sham of a review.
highly doubt its true ....
the word i heard was the review on Richo was done as and given the likely candidates should we pull the trigger on him it was not worth saking him now ... its easy to sit on the outside and say "get ratten" but what if Ratten says no ... coaches after the Lyon knifing Harvey dont like dealing that way
 

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Well judging by Blake Acres looks on Saturday night Richo definitely hasn’t got him.. Blake was just trotting around all night, with who gives a shit attitude & I don’t blame him. Any other team and he would be a top class midfielder, not a bloody stop gap for all positions on the ground.
he was sore thats why ... realistically had we not lost battle and Hicky he would have been on the pine for the game ... had to get pain injections to get through so i hear
 
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