Roast The Chronicles of Alan Richardson

Who will be head coach in 2019?

  • Alan Richardson

    Votes: 24 20.2%
  • Mark Williams

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Brett Ratten

    Votes: 65 54.6%
  • Robert Harvey

    Votes: 12 10.1%
  • Mark Thompson

    Votes: 14 11.8%

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Verdun66

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Think we need a new thread. 'The Road to 2025'. The current situation is just so poor it is surely time to start again. One rebuild was a bit optimistic. I have said it before. We need a very experienced Head of Football to navigate us through the current problems and on to the correct path. I have rarely been as disappointed in the Saints as I was on the weekend. And I have followed us for over 50 years. Seen some dark days.
 
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Every supporter of our club appreciates what you and others do to help our club Trav but I’ve spoken to a lot of rusted on supporters and I’ve read a hell of a lot of passionate posts on social media and I have no doubt that this season will have a huge negative impact on membership. We don’t have to like it or agree with it but after a 5 year rebuild to be playing as bad as 2014 in a lot of ways has upset our supporters a lot.
I think right now supporters and members are feeling fed up and they’re not able to see themselves going through another rebuild. It takes a big commitment emotionally and financially to be a member of a footy club, and right now I see a huge number ready to throw the towel in.
I honestly don’t believe the board have any idea what effect this season will have on our bottom line.
 

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Well judging by Blake Acres looks on Saturday night Richo definitely hasn’t got him.. Blake was just trotting around all night, with who gives a shit attitude & I don’t blame him. Any other team and he would be a top class midfielder, not a bloody stop gap for all positions on the ground.
Hickey didn't look overly happy being sent back on the ground with a dodgy hammy either.
 

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I’m only 25, but I certainly can’t recall our supporter base being as angry and disenchanted as they are now. I certainly feel this.

I want to ask the older supporters about the times during the Watson/blight years as I was too young to really remember. Is this period worse than then? Do you guys feel more angry and lost at what the club is doing?
We largely knew in the back end we were a proper basket case. You don't pay 20c in a dollar then follow up with a pres on crack cocaine because you have brilliant business sense, you do it because you have to and so it's less of a "I expected so much" and more of "thank god we didn't die in the arse" type commitment.

These days it's less of the above and more of the "here is where we should be, since we spent 30 odd years in the mire and hopefully learned something, and if we didn't, I'm going to be really bloody disappointed..."

Supporter wise sure, more disenchantment, but as a club we're in a much better place even if half of them are deer in headlights when it comes to acting like it to instill confidence.

I’ll put my hand up & say that in 2014 when the Road to 2018 campaign began, I never believed we’d be top 4, but I believed we’d be a contender for the top 8 - around position 6-9.

Never in my mind did I envisage that 4-5 seasons later that we’d be bottom 4 with only half a win more than our spoon year that was that 2014 season.

So disappointed
I saw it as hope, but no confidence that we'd do anything about it because it's what we do, it's what we've always done, there's no basis whatsoever to have believed that this time would be any different. So you take the good with the bad and focus on the good because focusing on the bad is just depressing. Ergo, we won games, the time to ask questions is with AGM rights to then place boots firmly up someone elses arse if so required.

Otherwise, lots of overreaction. Sack these mobs and replace them with 3 people and a dog, things aren't happening immediately they must be sniffing arses instead.

Decision was made; keep Richo for 1 year, give him support. Great established that, move on.
How does he get supported? Who goes? Who comes in? What changes? How does it change? Can it actually change? Is change better? Does change require more? Less? So many goddamn variables with that one decision and people want immediate restitution because panties are bunched.

Great, he's not liked, he's not what we need or want or no postal address for a christmas card, but it's also 1 more season at this stage and who knows what tomorrow brings...

Not saying like it, question it. Think on better ways, think of different ways, be proactive instead of reactive and rejoice that we have people who can fill the positions at the club instead of 1 person holding several titles as if its royalty.
 

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As much as we dislike David King on this board, he accurately savaged our coaching on SEN today. Said Saints fans should be angry at our coaches inability to curtail JJ - especially when Bevo himself said that tagging a running half back is the easiest thing to do in football. Was bewildering.
I’m more bewildered by the board and the CEO allowing this sub standard coaching triumvirate to keep their jobs.
 

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The club is ultimately a business. Like all business they'll sit up and take notice when the profit column shrinks. The club ultimately has to fix it's sub standard product.
Agree in principal, but what if the best thing for the business is to ultimately sack themselves? Won't happen. Self preservation for the boys at the top will be there top consideration, profit second.
 

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you can say that without the .. "Just dont renew"
sure poorly worded on my part. my apologies. my intention was not to undermine the volunteer work people do.

i think understanding and i do mean truly trying to understand why people are unhappy will be much more productive than labelling supporters soft, weak (i know you didnt do this) or detrimental to the clubs success.
 
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Lots of pussies haven't lived through the 80's here, the club will thrive and survive if we stick fat. Not everyone can be at the top in an 18 team comp, sadly for us some bozo at head office decided to introduce free agency and that was the moment we were consigned to an extended misery. However, it will turn, lets get excited about the draft and hopefully some elite talent coming in.

If anyone thinks its just the coach then IMO they don't understand footy, he doesn't kick it or drop a mark or hit the post from 10 metres out, that's someone who doesn't take their job seriously enough and have 50 shots at goal after training.

These are all first world problems over a bunch of blokes kicking a bag of air, everyone needs to get a grip, rich aint getting sacked!
I lived through the 80's and i aint no pussy sunshine!

I'm sick to death of my club shitting the bed in spectacular fashion as they have
at least once every decade!
They never learn! It's either the tail wagging the dog or in this case the dog lapping up it's own shit!
 

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my impression is that it doesn't even come to that. i think if he lost the players he'd still be senior coach tbh. i think they've made their mind up and that's that. unless there are members leaving in droves.

i think they're backing in their bad decision for the next 12 months at-least, coinciding with the presidents term. next year, new pres, process to find the next coach.
Whatever. Happy, not happy... Stick fat.
 

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Every supporter of our club appreciates what you and others do to help our club Trav but I’ve spoken to a lot of rusted on supporters and I’ve read a hell of a lot of passionate posts on social media and I have no doubt that this season will have a huge negative impact on membership. We don’t have to like it or agree with it but after a 5 year rebuild to be playing as bad as 2014 in a lot of ways has upset our supporters a lot.
I think right now supporters and members are feeling fed up and they’re not able to see themselves going through another rebuild. It takes a big commitment emotionally and financially to be a member of a footy club, and right now I see a huge number ready to throw the towel in.
I honestly don’t believe the board have any idea what effect this season will have on our bottom line.
my self personally, i just feel like i'm watching a car accident in slow motion. i feel genuinely powerless to do anything about it. the only thing i can do is contact the club and not renew/contribute to the bad decision making. i am just one person. i am not going to make or break if the club is viable. sponsors will have a bigger say on that.

if i didn't care, i just wouldn't renew and would walk away from this whole mess without telling a soul.
 

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Agree in principal, but what if the best thing for the business is to ultimately sack themselves? Won't happen. Self preservation for the boys at the top will be there top consideration, profit second.
That's where we the shareholder(Members) come in. Most of us all have voting rights at the AGM. If enough people run we have a say on who runs the show. Im guessing we also have the right to call for an EGM if we get enough numbers.
 

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Lots of pussies haven't lived through the 80's here, the club will thrive and survive if we stick fat. Not everyone can be at the top in an 18 team comp, sadly for us some bozo at head office decided to introduce free agency and that was the moment we were consigned to an extended misery. However, it will turn, lets get excited about the draft and hopefully some elite talent coming in.

If anyone thinks its just the coach then IMO they don't understand footy, he doesn't kick it or drop a mark or hit the post from 10 metres out, that's someone who doesn't take their job seriously enough and have 50 shots at goal after training.

These are all first world problems over a bunch of blokes kicking a bag of air, everyone needs to get a grip, rich aint getting sacked!
Where on earth has all this positivity from you come from? What has changed from this tweet earlier in the season to get you positive? If anything it has gotten worse

 

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This forum has bipolar sometimes I reckon lol. Lets just get to the end of the year mostly injury free, give it a few months and by November/December after the draft and trade period people will get the optimism back again and rejoin...according to the AFL we increased our membership by 4,000 this year. People will still sign up, our club won't be going anywhere but we need as many supporters as we can get. If you really want to make a stand do it a different way. There's enough fairweather Saints supporters out there who won't renew. Lets not compound the problem with all of us (die hards) not renewing either.
What you say is right mate but at the same time I understand completely why a lot members are so ####### frustrated with the club.
IMO the only reason Richo will be there next year is if he goes Finnis and Summers know they should goes as well because of their stuff up. Been a Saints man for 45 years and most of that time have been a member year after year like all my family, reserved seat - Social club member x 4 $2200 not loyal my ass, Club can't keep expecting members to keep coughing up good coin year after year unconditionally without holding up their end
 

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I don't know what's worse:

1. Richo has the players. And they continue to, multiple times per year, let teams get run-ons and then do nothing/are unable to stop it. Still can't believe we let THAT Bulldogs team get a 72 point turnaround on us.

2. He doesn't have the players. But we are stuck with him from all indications.

We're ****** either way.
Three hundred point losses to end the year, because the players don't play for him, will do it.

Its really up to the players now.
 

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The whole but he's still got the players argument, has baffled me all season!

He clearly doesn't! As evidenced by our insipid performances for over 12 months now!
He has some players. Just the wrong players.
 

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The club is ultimately a business. Like all business they'll sit up and take notice when the profit column shrinks. The club ultimately has to fix it's sub standard product.
Mate I honestly get where people are coming from.

Whilst run like a business, we don't support for a profit. It's an emotional investment.

If you have a few hundred K's of super invested in club shares and expect a $ return, then yes fair enough.

If people want to cancel, that's their entitlement. I get it.

But I will stand by my criticism of the post.

Advocating cancellation of membership does nothing but damage the club long term. Simple.

If you don't want a club to follow, then that's the best way to go about it.

On field stuff will turn around. It might take longer, but it will.

It was a stupid post IMO.

If people have had enough then they are free to stop supporting.

If said poster wants to cancel his membership, I'm happy to buy an extra one in lieu. Don't need them as supporters.

Footy is like family... You stick together through good and bad. You identify a problem then work together to find a solution.

You don't starve your kid or put them up for adoption every time they let you down.

Peace.
 

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We largely knew in the back end we were a proper basket case. You don't pay 20c in a dollar then follow up with a pres on crack cocaine because you have brilliant business sense, you do it because you have to and so it's less of a "I expected so much" and more of "thank god we didn't die in the arse" type commitment.

These days it's less of the above and more of the "here is where we should be, since we spent 30 odd years in the mire and hopefully learned something, and if we didn't, I'm going to be really bloody disappointed..."

Supporter wise sure, more disenchantment, but as a club we're in a much better place even if half of them are deer in headlights when it comes to acting like it to instill confidence.



I saw it as hope, but no confidence that we'd do anything about it because it's what we do, it's what we've always done, there's no basis whatsoever to have believed that this time would be any different. So you take the good with the bad and focus on the good because focusing on the bad is just depressing. Ergo, we won games, the time to ask questions is with AGM rights to then place boots firmly up someone elses arse if so required.

Otherwise, lots of overreaction. Sack these mobs and replace them with 3 people and a dog, things aren't happening immediately they must be sniffing arses instead.

Decision was made; keep Richo for 1 year, give him support. Great established that, move on.
How does he get supported? Who goes? Who comes in? What changes? How does it change? Can it actually change? Is change better? Does change require more? Less? So many goddamn variables with that one decision and people want immediate restitution because panties are bunched.

Great, he's not liked, he's not what we need or want or no postal address for a christmas card, but it's also 1 more season at this stage and who knows what tomorrow brings...

Not saying like it, question it. Think on better ways, think of different ways, be proactive instead of reactive and rejoice that we have people who can fill the positions at the club instead of 1 person holding several titles as if its royalty.
Brilliant post mate.
 

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I lived through the 80's and i aint no pussy sunshine!

I'm sick to death of my club shitting the bed in spectacular fashion as they have
at least once every decade!
They never learn! It's either the tail wagging the dog or in this case the dog lapping up it's own shit!
I'm told Greeks don't like pussies... ;)
 
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