Roast The Chronicles of Alan Richardson

Who will be head coach in 2019?

  • Alan Richardson

    Votes: 24 20.2%
  • Mark Williams

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Brett Ratten

    Votes: 65 54.6%
  • Robert Harvey

    Votes: 12 10.1%
  • Mark Thompson

    Votes: 14 11.8%

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I know it is Barrett, but the following got my attention:

"Having re-contracted Richardson last year through to the end of 2020, the Saints are adamant that changes will be made around him, and not on him. It is known there is a performance-related clause that threatens to rule obsolete the 2020 part of the new deal, but according to Lethlean, 2019 is guaranteed"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-08/barrett-coach-safe-with-copycat-saints

Can anyone confirm 2020 is performance related? Because that is ...

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I know it is Barrett, but the following got my attention:

"Having re-contracted Richardson last year through to the end of 2020, the Saints are adamant that changes will be made around him, and not on him. It is known there is a performance-related clause that threatens to rule obsolete the 2020 part of the new deal, but according to Lethlean, 2019 is guaranteed"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-08/barrett-coach-safe-with-copycat-saints

Can anyone confirm? Because that is ...

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if thats true finnis should walk now. seriously. how you could recontract him with no protections is beyond me.
 

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I know it is Barrett, but the following got my attention:

"Having re-contracted Richardson last year through to the end of 2020, the Saints are adamant that changes will be made around him, and not on him. It is known there is a performance-related clause that threatens to rule obsolete the 2020 part of the new deal, but according to Lethlean, 2019 is guaranteed"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-08/barrett-coach-safe-with-copycat-saints

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Purple on the money. Words I didn't think I would ever say.
 

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Purple on the money. Words I didn't think I would ever say.
100 % agree.

Read the article.....couldn't disagree with any of it.

It is perfect summary of where we are right now.

Our wagon it appears is well and truly hitched to Richo.

Many...no most... will find this horrifying and terrifying...….I have to say I'm now in this group.
 

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100 % agree.

Read the article.....couldn't disagree with any of it.

It is perfect summary of where we are right now.

Our wagon it appears is well and truly hitched to Richo.

Many...no most... will find this horrifying and terrifying...….I have to say I'm now in this group.
Only because we have no choice with the mess Finnis and Summers have put us in, imo next year will be as bad as this one if not worse we have a coach who really shouldn't be coaching at AFL level and in charge young kids futures
 

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unlikely looking at what he was saying it was pretty clear Freeza was in the wrong spot and had we passed to him every time he called he would have got 40 possesions but not one would have been effective and would have resulted in a turn over ... the other option taken wasnt executed properly and resulted in the turn over but was the right choice if executed right , the freeza options in most cases would have been a turnover even if executed correctly ..
but its game one ... Freeza will learn from it
I was thinking the same thing at least on 2 occasions during the game. He was on the outside with nowhere to go, calling for it but was ignored by the player who was looking to the corridor. That's OK, still gotta call for it, let them know you're free. It's up to the other player to make the right decision, and the more he plays the better positions he'll find himself in.
Unless he plays twos where it doesn't matter and he'll get the ball anyway.
 

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“(St Kilda football manager) Simon Lethlean keeps saying that he’s not (looking at potentially moving on Richardson),” Damo told Triple M’s Rush Hour during The Midweek Rub.

“But I look at the fixture – they’ve got a Friday night game against Essendon this week, they’ve got a round 22 game on a Saturday night against Hawthorn and then the last game of the season against North Melbourne in a twilight fixture.

“If I’m Alan Richardson I’m making sure those three games are not blowouts because things can happen when you get to round 21, as we now are, and you have four wins to your name in your fifth season for a total of 37 wins out of 107 games in your coaching career - I don’t think you’ve got any wriggle room for any poor form, so I reckon it’s a pretty crucial three-week patch.”
 

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I know nothing. But all of Richo's behaviour suggests a dead man walking. He seems a shell of a man now. His appearances on 360 are excruciating. I wonder whether these rumours of Roos/Ratten/Mitchell are true.....even partly.

I might add that I think Richo is a very honourable man, and must be hurting tremendously. I honestly feel very sorry for him. Must be desperate. He has not trotted out excuses (some might say he did last weekend) but I think it is just not to blow the player's confidence up more than it already has.

Lack of some inspirational playing leaders are one of the biggest factors in our fall. Every guy drafted or traded for has to be a competitive beast. Because having supposed nice kickers and smooth movers isn't working.

And I'm not leaving the Saints whatever happens. Will be a member next year and forever more. Find people saying otherwise disappointing. Could use a different word, but it is a free world.
 

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Rightly or wrongly, it appears we have him for another year.

If things turn around, the club will be vindicated. If not, it's a wasted year.

That said, if a better option presents, I reckon he'll go at the end of the season, despite the spin.
think you are right mate!

i fear another wasted year just from the impacts on the list strategy
 

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think you are right mate!

i fear another wasted year just from the impacts on the list strategy
Reality is that we'd be stupid to sack him before the end of the year.

If we have a replacement, and they are likely involved in finals, we can't announce it until October. Or they cannot commit until after finals / season end.

Unless you have that 100% certain,sacking him now just brings unwanted turmoil for the next few months IMO.

Imagine we sacked him and then the replacement had a change of heart...

If we are going to do it, do it like Fremantle did with RL.

Bang bang. Done. Move on. Minimum fallout.
 

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Reality is that we'd be stupid to sack him before the end of the year.

If we have a replacement, and they are likely involved in finals, we can't announce it until October. Or they cannot commit until after finals / season end.

Unless you have that 100% certain,sacking him now just brings unwanted turmoil for the next few months IMO.

Imagine we sacked him and then the replacement had a change of heart...

If we are going to do it, do it like Fremantle did with RL.

Bang bang. Done. Move on. Minimum fallout.
Spot on....
 

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Rightly or wrongly, it appears we have him for another year.

If things turn around, the club will be vindicated. If not, it's a wasted year.

That said, if a better option presents, I reckon he'll go at the end of the season, despite the spin.
But was he re-signed as the Head Coach or just as a Coach? Can he be demoted to an Assistant Coach?
 

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I know nothing. But all of Richo's behaviour suggests a dead man walking. He seems a shell of a man now. His appearances on 360 are excruciating. I wonder whether these rumours of Roos/Ratten/Mitchell are true.....even partly.

I might add that I think Richo is a very honourable man, and must be hurting tremendously. I honestly feel very sorry for him. Must be desperate. He has not trotted out excuses (some might say he did last weekend) but I think it is just not to blow the player's confidence up more than it already has.

Lack of some inspirational playing leaders are one of the biggest factors in our fall. Every guy drafted or traded for has to be a competitive beast. Because having supposed nice kickers and smooth movers isn't working.

And I'm not leaving the Saints whatever happens. Will be a member next year and forever more. Find people saying otherwise disappointing. Could use a different word, but it is a free world.
look the fact is im sure there is pleanty he really wants to say on 360 but he knows that speaking freely on TV leads to over analysis of what is said and often leads to the club the coach and the player going into panic mode to disolve fall out ... i think the reason he looks flat is cause he is basically running a script ... we got to hear him talk on friday and he was a billion times more engaging and you got the feeling of the guy he really is , watching 360 i reckon you are getting a shell of the real man
 

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look the fact is im sure there is pleanty he really wants to say on 360 but he knows that speaking freely on TV leads to over analysis of what is said and often leads to the club the coach and the player going into panic mode to disolve fall out ... i think the reason he looks flat is cause he is basically running a script ... we got to hear him talk on friday and he was a billion times more engaging and you got the feeling of the guy he really is , watching 360 i reckon you are getting a shell of the real man
I think that is exactly right. There are other things going on. He is very constricted in what he wants to say. I think he is a genuine person, and it must be very difficult.
 

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The way SL talks about Richo needing support around him in the way of better assistant coaches & players suggests to me that if anything Richo is lacking confidence in himself & SL & the club are backing him in. I’m no psychologist just my gut feel & interpretation.
 

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The way SL talks about Richo needing support around him in the way of better assistant coaches & players suggests to me that if anything Richo is lacking confidence in himself & SL & the club are backing him in. I’m no psychologist just my gut feel & interpretation.
im still not convinced he is the right guy to coach us but that said unless we give him the full support network around him to succeed i dont think we every will ... i think also Richo has been given the assurance of his job so these last 5 weeks we can try new things that a coach coaching for his carreer wouldnt make ...
 

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look the fact is im sure there is pleanty he really wants to say on 360 but he knows that speaking freely on TV leads to over analysis of what is said and often leads to the club the coach and the player going into panic mode to disolve fall out ... i think the reason he looks flat is cause he is basically running a script ... we got to hear him talk on friday and he was a billion times more engaging and you got the feeling of the guy he really is , watching 360 i reckon you are getting a shell of the real man
Spot on, they are all very different.

This is some of the same kind of thing on a very miniscule level mind you but I spoke with Matt about 4 months ago, he asked me who I thought had the biggest upside I said Jack Billings easily, he laughed and said that a lot of people have told him the same thing, and asked me if people really believe what they say or is it just because of the pick number...I was stunned...usually something he wouldn't trot out in a presser. But I guess that's probably an obvious observation for all of them. Players, coaches, club officials. All media trained. Completely different people away from the camera.

I laugh when people take Richo's 360 segments or post match messages as an exact presentation of who he is at the club or when he addresses our players.
 

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The way SL talks about Richo needing support around him in the way of better assistant coaches & players suggests to me that if anything Richo is lacking confidence in himself & SL & the club are backing him in. I’m no psychologist just my gut feel & interpretation.
I think everyone has self-doubt when things go wrong. Even Clarko. Human nature.

I reckon he has backed the wrong players for too long TBH. SL came in and said you are over rating a few of them.
 

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Really couldn't care what he says or does on 360 its what he does on game day that is important and imo he is not the coach we need. hopefully he turns this around next year but i just don't see it happening
It's nearly impossible to see it happening. Honestly, you'd struggle to name a coach in history, in any sport, that has turned it around after starting so poorly in his first 100 games... especially in a competition like ours with a draft. Just on sheer stats and probabilities, he is extremely unlikely to turn it around.

I have no idea what our club sees in him that makes them think that Alan Richardson and our club (of all clubs) will be a statistical outlier that will buck the trend and see us and him suddenly start winning.

At the start of this re-build, all of us agreed that Richo may well be a development coach for a few years but that there was a good chance we would need another to come in and take us to the next level. Well we are at that point now, he is not up to it, nothing could be clearer. And yet we are looking like keeping him on... it is simply madness. You simply don't run successful sports organisations this way.

This is crazy stuff, forget the payout, it just has to be done. And if this board won't do it, replace them and get one that will.

It is beyond farcical now, no decision and another 1 or 2 years with him will put the clubs very survival at risk.
 

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I think everyone has self-doubt when things go wrong. Even Clarko. Human nature.

I reckon he has backed the wrong players for too long TBH. SL came in and said you are over rating a few of them.
You might be right. Gilbert, Armo & possibly a few others were automatic selections before SL came to the club. Now those two in particular cannot hold a spot in the 22.
 

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It's nearly impossible to see it happening. Honestly, you'd struggle to name a coach in history, in any sport, that has turned it around after starting so poorly in his first 100 games... especially in a competition like ours with a draft. Just on sheer stats and probabilities, he is extremely unlikely to turn it around.

I have no idea what our club sees in him that makes them think that Alan Richardson and our club (of all clubs) will be a statistical outlier that will buck the trend and see us and him suddenly start winning.

At the start of this re-build, all of us agreed that Richo may well be a development coach for a few years but that there was a good chance we would need another to come in and take us to the next level. Well we are at that point now, he is not up to it, nothing could be clearer. And yet we are looking like keeping him on... it is simply madness. You simply don't run successful sports organisations this way.

This is crazy stuff, forget the payout, it just has to be done. And if this board won't do it, replace them and get one that will.

It is beyond farcical now, no decision and another 1 or 2 years with him will put the clubs very survival at risk.
I honestly think we’ve tried to replace Richo but for a number of reasons we couldn’t sell the club to a suitable coach.

Remember the last occasion we sort a new coach? There wasn’t exactly a line out the door waiting to be interviewed. Richo himself refused to be interviewed (he’d previously interviewed against Watters) & we had to beg for his services. It was down to Richo, Kingsley & Chocco.

We are arguably in a worse state than 2014 therefore I’d imagine guys like Caracella would prefer to retain a senior coaching position at a more well run club than take up a head coaching role at St Kilda.

Excluding a massive AFL push to get Paul Roos or equivalent we are stuck with Richo or having a punt on Kingsley or possibly Rob Harvey.
 
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