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Guardian blog... They still don't get it.

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Talk about not reading the room. The teals are in Parliament because they're not Libs.
Come on. The teals are in because they are not right wing conservatives, with anti climate science, anti transgender views. Nothing really 'Liberal' about the Liberal party. Lets hope Dutton is opposition leader and perhaps later down the track the after a few terms of the new government the Teals can form an alliance, don't think it would be bad for the country, and interesting though/idea.
 

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Compulsory voting is the biggest protection against the hard right, together with an Aust Electoral Commission. Trump and his cronies would have no hope if the US had these two pillars. That said I'm still nervous about Dutton and Joyce. Their big threat may well be attempts to corrupt the Aust electoral process if they somehow won office (as Trump also did).
We don't have compulsory voting
 

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Libs have lost three genuine moderates in Allen, Zimmerman and Sharma, and two fake moderates in Kooyong and Goldstein (who both deserved to be tossed out). With Birmingham in the senate and Archer increasing her majority in Tasmania as the remaining high profile moderates, unless the Libs take genuine learnings from this, they will veer right, and become even more marginalised.

Morrison deliberately chose the conservative path in the campaign, backing Deves, and knew full well he was putting Kooyong and other seats at risk. If the next leader continues to ignore prevailing feeling in Australia, they will lose even more seats at the next election, probably not to ALP, but to more independents and Greens.

And idiots like Fiona Martin doubling down on her unspoken "all Asians look the same" inference cost her a seat as well.

They look like very slow learners, and with less counterpoint in the wider parliamentary reps, as the former Lib strategist on the ABC coverage said several times last night "it will get worse before it gets worse".
 

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Please elect Dutton as leader. PLease.
Yeah he'll get it but i can't see him or Rupert making it to the next election. Libs will ditch him because he's too toxic and Rupert the sour brained old cretin will surely have gone down to meet his maker.

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The ******* dumb hicks who vote for the Nationals are welcome to their coal lobby party and seeing thermal coal become impossible to sell in the coming decades. You were warned, and you chose poorly.

Enjoy your time in opposition you flogs.

Wise of you to use 'coming decades' & limit yourself to thermal coal.

'Australia is the world's biggest exporter of metallurgical coal, and the second biggest for thermal coal, and if the forecast is correct, it would be only the second commodity to crack the $100 billion annual export figure, behind iron ore.'
"But Australia is really benefiting at the moment from those shortages in energy and the disruptions to the world market with the war in Ukraine."
 

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Yeah he'll get it but i can't see him or Rupert making it to the next election. Libs will ditch him because he's too toxic and Rupert the sour brained old cretin will surely have gone down to meet his maker.

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Lachlan Murdoch will take over when the old fella karks it.

Don't forget, a turd never falls far from the a-hole.
 

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Please elect Dutton as leader. PLease.
On Insiders this morning, David Crowe (Age/SMH) suggested he'd heard Dan Tehan mentioned as a leadership candidate! Sam Maiden's guffaw erupted before Crowe even finished his sentence. He is the epitome of a local pollie out of his depth on a national stage.

But imagine if he popped up as some sort of compromise leadership candidate? Libs would concede the next election on that decision alone.

Maiden also described a likely Dutton leadership as a "crash test dummy". If last night's national sentiment was applied to a Dutton-led LNP, they would end up with less seats than the Greens and/or independents.
 

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Yeah he'll get it but i can't see him or Rupert making it to the next election. Libs will ditch him because he's too toxic
But the moderates are gone - all that are left of the party are the hard right, they aren't going to get rid of their poster boy no matter how toxic he is. The nsw right factions will see to that.

The libs are only 70 years old. This isn't the US, political parties can quickly whither and die as the preferential voting and compulsory voting systems we have mean that alternatives can prosper. Under Dutton the libs will go on a death spiral and another party could come in to occupy the centre-right ground that the Libs have abandoned, just like the Libs did in 1949 after the United Australia Party (NOT the clive palmer version) similarly failed. The old UAP ran the country up to 1939, by 1945 they had dissolved - this will be the Libs fate if Dutton is the next Lib leader. Bookmark it
 

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But the moderates are gone - all that are left of the party are the hard right, they aren't going to get rid of their poster boy no matter how toxic he is. The nsw right factions will see to that.

The libs are only 70 years old. This isn't the US, political parties can quickly whither and die as the preferential voting and compulsory voting systems we have mean that alternatives can prosper. Under Dutton the libs will go on a death spiral and another party could come in to occupy the centre-right ground that the Libs have abandoned, just like the Libs did in 1949 after the United Australia Party (NOT the clive palmer version) similarly failed. The old UAP ran the country up to 1939, by 1945 they had dissolved - this will be the Libs fate if Dutton is the next Lib leader. Bookmark it
It may be a case of the Libs having to decide if they're going down that Trump Republican circus of trans/gay/death of western civ that the seppos have, or remaining a centre right low taxes, low regulation party.
 

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The liberal and national coalition will need to split up in order for the right side of politics to win power again.

As we move towards a greener future, any policies trying to hold back the shift will ensure they stay in Opposition.

No amount of Murdoch bullshit will work.

The LNP is dead …. The teals are here to stay ..and the Liberals will need to move left and contest safe national seats if they want to form government again.
…. And that won’t happen for atleast the next 2 elections.

Albo how long? Shitloads….
Y u do dis?
 

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It may be a case of the Libs having to decide if they're going down that Trump Republican circus of trans/gay/death of western civ that the seppos have, or remaining a centre right low taxes, low regulation party.
That's why I said 'if' Dutton is elected. The choice you have outlined will be made at the next party room meeting - go with Dutton and his hard right, extremist views and dog-whistle tactics or they dont. If they go with Dutton, then moderates will abandon them completely, to where, I dont know, but the Libs will atrophy to just the extremists. I would not be surprised if from the Teals springs a new party, probably starting a loose collection before moving into a more formal organisation that occupies the centre right. If that were to happen I would not be surprised in the Nats adjust themselves to become more aligned with this team - as that is the only way they would ever regain political power.
 

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Dunno mate, I think Dutton will move the Libs towards the Nats

It would be so typical of the Coalition to do that.

This election was decided by voters who care about the emerging Climate crisis and Gender inequality.

In response the Coalition throw Peter Dutton up as the face of the party? The face of the Conservative wing of the Party, who is loathed by women, and denies Climate change.

Derp.

If they go with Dutton, that tells me they're going full Trump and have abandoned the cities like the Republicans have done the USA.

With the way our system works in Australia, with our Lower House seats all concentrated in Urban areas in the big cities, all that would do is permanently yield the Lower House to the ALP.

The problem for the Coalition - not withstanding this election result was in response to them lurching to the right and not being progressive enough on social issues - is that it was Moderates/ Liberal Left who copped it in the neck this election (ironically). Barnaby Joyce had a good point, in that the Teals managed to oust Moderates, including openly gay MPs, a Jewish MP with family ties to the Holocaust, an Aboriginal MP, etc.

To win back the inner city professionals and the 'Doctors wives', the Coalition need to move back to the center, with strong economically sound policies, coupled with socially progressive policies on Climate change, reconciliation, LGBTI issues and gender equality.

They dont need a Dutton right now, unless they decide to go full Trump and lurch even further to the Right. They need a Turnbull or Fraser type to take over.

Losing Frydenberg really hurts. He was the obvious choice, and is more than qualified as well.
 

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The liberal and national coalition will need to split up in order for the right side of politics to win power again.

As we move towards a greener future, any policies trying to hold back the shift will ensure they stay in Opposition.

No amount of Murdoch bullshit will work.

The LNP is dead …. The teals are here to stay ..and the Liberals will need to move left and contest safe national seats if they want to form government again.
…. And that won’t happen for atleast the next 2 elections.

Albo how long? Shitloads….
They had been in power 3 terms.

They will regroup and win again after the ALP have been in power for a few terms.

It’s how it’s always worked
 

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The liberal and national coalition will need to split up in order for the right side of politics to win power again.

As we move towards a greener future, any policies trying to hold back the shift will ensure they stay in Opposition.

No amount of Murdoch bullshit will work.

The LNP is dead …. The teals are here to stay ..and the Liberals will need to move left and contest safe national seats if they want to form government again.
…. And that won’t happen for atleast the next 2 elections.

Albo how long? Shitloads….
Doubtful.

If the ALP were to move as far to the left as the SRP, they'd be turfed out in the next election. Like it or not, swinging voters decide elections.
 

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The most likely path for the LNP is for Dutton to become leader, continuing the party's slide into right-wing populism, its talking points generated by Sky News. That outcome will further the irreconcilable rift between its conservatives and what remains of its moderates and won't win back the blue-ribbon seats it has lost to the Teals and Greens. Winning back those 'wets'—social liberals who like free-market capitalism—would involve a 180 on climate change and introducing party gender quotas as the bare minimum. Such changes and concessions are unlikely under Dutton and would alienate the Nationals and Sky anyway.

Basically, the Coalition has lost its liberal base and does not look inclined to get it back. This has massive repercussions because the LNP cannot find a path to government without that base. These lost votes don't go to labor: affluent inner-city wets would rather eat their own s**t (or vote Green) than vote ALP. But their desertion is a gift to labor who, as a result, can now form minority governments or modest majority governments with a low primary vote.

The moderates were first alienated under Howard, and the discord grew under Abbott and Morrison. So the divorce has been a long time coming, and it's probably too late to fix it now. The Coalition may well be in the wilderness for a long time.
 

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Doubtful.

If the ALP were to move as far to the left as the SRP, they'd be turfed out in the next election. Like it or not, swinging voters decide elections.
How many swinging voters are in kooyong??????? Are you blind?
Greens just won LNP seats FFS …
If the liberals share your view they are cooked for ever.

For the Liberals to win back power they need to convince the people of Australia that THEY are the best team to transition to renewables …. They can’t do that as the LNP…
 

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Sensible people recognise it is wealth that affords people the education and respect of the environment. This is evidenced by how Australia respects the land over third world nations.

Our wealth comes from the land and thus anyone who loves the environment has to love the industry that delivers the wealth.

It is for this reason we have seen a coalition government more than any other government and will do so for the generations ahead.

It just takes time for the youth to appreciate that good wages don't come from unions but from industry. It takes time for youth to appreciate the good environment doesn't come from soy latte sipping nay sayers but industry. No doubt industry needs a constant shove to do better but this is the reality we live in.
 

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How many swinging voters are in kooyong??????? Are you blind?
Greens just won LNP seats FFS …
If the liberals share your view they are cooked for ever.

For the Liberals to win back power they need to convince the people of Australia that THEY are the best team to transition to renewables …. They can’t do that as the LNP…
Mate, I voted ALP.

As Seeds posted earlier, it won't be an easy time for the ALP to govern. They'll be held accountable by the public.

Kooyong will go teal. It's not a big shift. If the LNP kick out the religious right and science denying element, they could be a threat in the next election.
 

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Don’t write these duckers of the LNP off. They will try all sorts of tactics to discredit Labor, teals and greens.

Now personally I don’t think it will work, but my guess is they will try and go even further right and hope to flip outer suburban areas teaming up with One Nation and UAP.
 

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