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At least they've got a couple of young go getters vying for the NSW state Presidency.
Former prime minister Tony Abbott has been linked to the role of NSW Liberal Party president, with nominations for the position closing later this month.
The Australian reports that Mr Abbott has “floated the idea” among his supporters but apparently has not submitted a formal nomination yet.
It could mean he will have to go up against current president and Hornsby Mayor Philip Ruddock after the pair spent time in federal politics together.
 

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Increasingly they're looking like the guys who went into politics because they couldn't cut it in the corporate world.
Most politicians are life king government employees sucking off the tax payer.
Most politicians couldn’t last a job in the private sector
 

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I know a few decent ones. Even know a couple of decent politicians.

My local LNP MP (Luke Howarth) is a nice guy who does honour his promises where he can (offered to be my reference and followed through).

Unfortunately, he's a Dutton fanboi and so he's basically Dutton-lite. I've always said that his idea for 'solving' the Manus issue would be to paint big smiley faces over the joint. He's definitely friendlier than Dutton and he has a pretty positive outlook on life in general, but he's fundamentally afraid of any real change.
 

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Todays announcement by Adam Bandt was the final nail in the coffin of the Liberal Party as we know it. They were on the verge of irrelevancy and after today's announcement, they ARE irrelevant. The split now is irreparable because the Party cannot remain as it is with those like Bridget Archer and Simon Birmingham who have some nous being in cahouts with the knuckledragers Dutton, Sukkar, Antic etc. They either try and get along and be seen as an insult to people's intelligence or they split causing the same effect, that is, finito to the Liberal Party. It's 1955 all over again with the shoe on the other foot.

It's the end for the Liberal Party; never to infest the treasury benches of Parliament again.
 

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Todays announcement by Adam Bandt was the final nail in the coffin of the Liberal Party as we know it. They were on the verge of irrelevancy and after today's announcement, they ARE irrelevant. The split now is irreparable because the Party cannot remain as it is with those like Bridget Archer and Simon Birmingham who have some nous being in cahouts with the knuckledragers Dutton, Sukkar, Antic etc. They either try and get along and be seen as an insult to people's intelligence or they split causing the same effect, that is, finito to the Liberal Party. It's 1955 all over again with the shoe on the other foot.

It's the end for the Liberal Party; never to infest the treasury benches of Parliament again.

Bahahahaha
 

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Make the case for their relevance. What does the modern Coalition offer that modern voters need?
Modern voters lol , Scomo was voted out because people had enough of him and the cost of living going up, lets not kid ourselves climate change and social issues were the reasons maybe for Greens voters, but they’re insignificant anyway who at the end of the day bent over to Albo.
 

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Make the case for their relevance. What does the modern Coalition offer that modern voters need?

Considering both the ALP and LNP had swings against them in the primary, it was the election of people abandoning the big parties and saying enough of the snivelling bullshit. Of course the ALP have tried to make out like this was a resounding victory for the ALP, however it wasn't exactly that. People hated Scomo and voted him and his corruption out, but they didn't swing to the ALP....they swung to the minors. This makes the ALP's tenure quite volatile, it wont take muh for that to reverse itself enough to cast doubt amongst the public that the ALP isn't doing a good job.

Making blanket statements about this being the end of the LNP is not only fanciful, but delusional. They will be back, probably in 1-2 terms or so, plenty of people feel they stand to gain under liberal principles still, and in reality they always will.
 

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Yes let's also pretend the LNP weren't booted out of WA, didn't have their numbers reduced significantly in Vic and hold power in only two of our states. This was surely just a one off...

The modern LNP is coasting on their former reputation as economic managers but once you start grading them on current performance you get the above results.

However it does remain to be seen if the LNP will be permanently displaced. It will depend on if other independents are able to take seats off them in state elections when they aren't in power federally.
 

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Kidding, right?
Considering both the ALP and LNP had swings against them in the primary, it was the election of people abandoning the big parties and saying enough of the snivelling bullshit. Of course the ALP have tried to make out like this was a resounding victory for the ALP, however it wasn't exactly that. People hated Scomo and voted him and his corruption out, but they didn't swing to the ALP....they swung to the minors. This makes the ALP's tenure quite volatile, it wont take muh for that to reverse itself enough to cast doubt amongst the public that the ALP isn't doing a good job.

Making blanket statements about this being the end of the LNP is not only fanciful, but delusional. They will be back, probably in 1-2 terms or so, plenty of people feel they stand to gain under liberal principles still, and in reality they always will.
You seem to think I'm barracking for the ALP. I said nothing about them. I want to know what you think the modern Coalition offer today's voters?
 

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Yes let's also pretend the LNP weren't booted out of WA, didn't have their numbers reduced significantly in Vic and hold power in only two of our states. This was surely just a one off...

The modern LNP is coasting on their former reputation as economic managers but once you start grading them on current performance you get the above results.

However it does remain to be seen if the LNP will be permanently displaced. It will depend on if other independents are able to take seats off them in state elections when they aren't in power federally.

If middle to high income earners in the Teals feel that the Independents harm/hinder their economic outlook, they will dive back to the LNP quicker than a bridesmaid on a bouquet toss.
 

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You seem to think I'm barracking for the ALP. I said nothing about them. I want to know what you think the modern Coalition offer today's voters?
I said in another thread....Dutton is (long term) probably the biggest threat to the ALP. He wont last once the polling comes in, and the pressure will build for a move back towards the centre. This would be diabolical for the ALP. They need to keep the LNP as far right as possible.
 

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Kidding, right?
I said in another thread....Dutton is (long term) probably the biggest threat to the ALP. He wont last once the polling comes in, and the pressure will build for a move back towards the centre. This would be diabolical for the ALP. They need to keep the LNP as far right as possible.
OK so you just don't want to answer my question.

Seats which have never been held by anyone but a Liberal fell in May. These were seats which had always been automatically factored into the calculus as Lib seats. It is well-nigh impossible to overestimate the breadth of the wipeout.

So, again I ask, what does the modern Coalition offer today's voter?
 

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So, again I ask, what does the modern Coalition offer today's voter?

What they offer you depends on where you live, what your socioeconomic status is, your values, your goals etc etc etc. What they offer a inner Melbourne student activist, will be completely different to what they offer a rural white collar property developer.

How can anyone answer that question??
 

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Modern voters lol , Scomo was voted out because people had enough of him and the cost of living going up, lets not kid ourselves climate change and social issues were the reasons maybe for Greens voters, but they’re insignificant anyway who at the end of the day bent over to Albo.
Bahahahaha
 

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Modern voters lol , Scomo was voted out because people had enough of him and the cost of living going up, lets not kid ourselves climate change and social issues were the reasons maybe for Greens voters, but they’re insignificant anyway who at the end of the day bent over to Albo.
Then why did Liberal heartland seats, go to independents that were economically Liberal but wanted action on climate change and social issues?
 

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Considering both the ALP and LNP had swings against them in the primary, it was the election of people abandoning the big parties and saying enough of the snivelling bullshit. Of course the ALP have tried to make out like this was a resounding victory for the ALP, however it wasn't exactly that. People hated Scomo and voted him and his corruption out, but they didn't swing to the ALP....they swung to the minors. This makes the ALP's tenure quite volatile, it wont take muh for that to reverse itself enough to cast doubt amongst the public that the ALP isn't doing a good job.

Making blanket statements about this being the end of the LNP is not only fanciful, but delusional. They will be back, probably in 1-2 terms or so, plenty of people feel they stand to gain under liberal principles still, and in reality they always will.
Do you really think that with the expulsion of the small "l" Liberals which was started by Howard, continued under Abbott and went into hyper drive under Morrison, do you really think that the Liberal Party has a hope in hell of winning back the blue riband seats that it lost to the small "l" Liberals who now call themselves "Teals"?

Do you reckon that the current Liberal party will survive with some of them wanting to embrace action on climate change but the majority are completely anti?

For f***'s sake, even the Business Council of Australia, the Banking and Finance sector and most of the Industry Associations have abandoned the Liberal Party. They are now doomed. They have been split asunder and personally, I am so happy that some like you think that there is hope for them because it means that they will continue to delude themselves into thinking that they are relevant.
 

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Then why did Liberal heartland seats, go to independents that were economically Liberal but wanted action on climate change and social issues?
Oooh; that might be a bit tricky to answer for the delusional ones that think that the Liberal Party will come back as strong as ever.
 

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