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This is the thread where the coalition- the good economic managers have their economic management credentials examined.


Im going to start with nbn.

the original labor vision was for fttp (fibre to the premesis)to every high density household.

by the time fttp was finished rolling out, the process had become so efficient it was less thsn half the cost per house it started out at.

but unfortunately for australia this multibillion dollar rollout threatened rupert murdochs foxtel monopoly - netflix et al were a fraction of the price of fox, better quality, more shows and movies to watch, no ads and completely in demand. In short a far superior product.

something HAD TO BE DONE.

So the campaign against it started. No cost benefit analysis thundered the liberals - lAybOrS debt thundered the murdoch shitrags.

so we got a hodgepodge shitbox mixed tech nbn that was a ferrari for the folk in the lucky areas connected to fttp and a clapped out datsun 120y - often worse than the adsl it replaced in the unlucky areas for the suckers with fttn (fibre to the node).

EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE INDUSTRY told the liberal government that it was a waste of time and would be more expensive to do it this way. Every bit of evidence from overseas where other countries had tried fttn showed it was a poor choice that was replaced soon after.

yet they went ahead - with no cost benefit analysis mind you.

of course it was a shitshow. Cabling that had been underwater for decades, was corroded out and at the end of its life for the old technology it was currently supporting was, of course utterly unsuited for the much higher demands required of it by nbn.

HOWEVER WHAT IT DID ACHIEVE:

Rupert got to play catch up.

he has now got everything that was available via satellite now available via internet.- its still vastly overpriced -but its there …..

<<<NBN's CEO has explained in Senate estimates why they're ditching G.Fast (which pro-MTM NBN jerks hyped up as thE fUtURE) and upgrading FTTC connections to full fibre - "when we looked at it, we took the view that we're using G-Fast, there would still be things like copper remediation, there may be still some home wiring in the home, and it was also going to be IT system builds for us and the retailers, and a harder thing for retailers to manage because they'd have to explain what service they were getting. So we concluded that the best return on investment for those customers who wanted more than a 100Mbps was to provide a fibre lead-in". >>>



Yup nbn is going full fibre. - they are redoing all the work they did….

Tens of billions of dollars wasted so rupert could keep up. To justify that what they were doing would work despite industry telling them it wouldnt - they actually pulled new copper into areas where they copper was too far gone… COPPER IS ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN FIBRE…..



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This is the thread where the coalition- the good economic managers have their economic management credentials examined.


Im going to start with nbn.

the original labor vision was for fttp (fibre to the premesis)to every high density household.

by the time fttp was finished rolling out, the process had become so efficient it was less thsn half the cost per house it started out at.

but unfortunately for australia this multibillion dollar rollout threatened rupert murdochs foxtel monopoly - netflix et al were a fraction of the price of fox, better quality, more shows and movies to watch, no ads and completely in demand. In short a far superior product.

something HAD TO BE DONE.

So the campaign against it started. No cost benefit analysis thundered the liberals - lAybOrS debt thundered the murdoch shitrags.

so we got a hodgepodge shitbox mixed tech nbn that was a ferrari for the folk in the lucky areas connected to fttp and a clapped out datsun 120y - often worse than the adsl it replaced in the unlucky areas for the suckers with fttn (fibre to the node).

EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE INDUSTRY told the liberal government that it was a waste of time and would be more expensive to do it this way. Every bit of evidence from overseas where other countries had tried fttn showed it was a poor choice that was replaced soon after.

yet they went ahead - with no cost benefit analysis mind you.

of course it was a shitshow. Cabling that had been underwater for decades, was corroded out and at the end of its life for the old technology it was currently supporting was, of course utterly unsuited for the much higher demands required of it by nbn.

HOWEVER WHAT IT DID ACHIEVE:

Rupert got to play catch up.

he has now got everything that was available via satellite now available via internet.- its still vastly overpriced -but its there …..

<<<NBN's CEO has explained in Senate estimates why they're ditching G.Fast (which pro-MTM NBN jerks hyped up as thE fUtURE) and upgrading FTTC connections to full fibre - "when we looked at it, we took the view that we're using G-Fast, there would still be things like copper remediation, there may be still some home wiring in the home, and it was also going to be IT system builds for us and the retailers, and a harder thing for retailers to manage because they'd have to explain what service they were getting. So we concluded that the best return on investment for those customers who wanted more than a 100Mbps was to provide a fibre lead-in". >>>



Yup nbn is going full fibre. - they are redoing all the work they did….

Tens of billions of dollars wasted so rupert could keep up. To justify that what they were doing would work despite industry telling them it wouldnt - they actually pulled new copper into areas where they copper was too far gone… COPPER IS ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN FIBRE…..



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All votes are equal, the losers find a way to absolve themselves, incapable of looking at their own failure, some go so far as criticising the think power of those who did not support them , running an elitist line that the losers are superior people.
 
All votes are equal, the losers find a way to absolve themselves, incapable of looking at their own failure, some go so far as criticising the think power of those who did not support them , running an elitist line that the losers are superior people.
Whats that got to do with the mismanagement of the nbn?
 
Because it is not just about the NBN.
Translation - I'm going to flood the zone with s**t so people can't have a discussion about the disastrous economic management of the last 13 years without a whatabout labor post or look over there a squirrel post inserted every second post which will hopefully derail and sidetrack the thread so much people will lose interest.
 
Translation - I'm going to flood the zone with sh*t so people can't have a discussion about the disastrous economic management of the last 13 years without a whatabout labor post or look over there a squirrel post inserted every second post which will hopefully derail and sidetrack the thread so much people will lose interest.

You are entitled to your own view, as am I
 

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Whats that got to do with the mismanagement of the nbn?

The NBN was killed when Labor made a deal with Windsor and Oakshott to ignore the plan to make it profitable by starting with the cities and instead waste billions by rolling it out in the regions first.

Instead of making money and using that money to pay for the regions it lost money from day 1.

This then allowed the Coalition to make it a political football and it has been meddled with ever since.
 
The NBN was killed when Labor made a deal with Windsor and Oakshott to ignore the plan to make it profitable by starting with the cities and instead waste billions by rolling it out in the regions first.

Instead of making money and using that money to pay for the regions it lost money from day 1.

This then allowed the Coalition to make it a political football and it has been meddled with ever since.
Even when the Coalition f***ed it up by adopting nearly obsolete technology I knew it was Labor's fault.
 
Even when the Coalition f***ed it up by adopting nearly obsolete technology I knew it was Labor's fault.

If the NBN had been within even 50% of the plan it would have been hard for the Liberals to gut it.

They failed massively from the very beginning. And missed every single target no matter how often they changed the plan and reduced their rollout schedule.

It was a shambles begging to be meddled with.

BTW I now get 250mb/s so I assume it was built right eventually.
 
If the NBN had been within even 50% of the plan it would have been hard for the Liberals to gut it.

They failed massively from the very beginning. And missed every single target no matter how often they changed the plan and reduced their rollout schedule.

It was a shambles begging to be meddled with.

BTW I now get 250mb/s so I assume it was built right eventually.

depends what tech you have. I have the left over foxtel HFC line

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this is 2/3 of what i used to get on the same shitty cable 5km away 10 years ago
 
The NBN was killed when Labor made a deal with Windsor and Oakshott to ignore the plan to make it profitable by starting with the cities and instead waste billions by rolling it out in the regions first.

Instead of making money and using that money to pay for the regions it lost money from day 1.

This then allowed the Coalition to make it a political football and it has been meddled with ever since.
As one if the regions it started in - it was used to get the ska in australia

Which it succeeded in and is now being built.
 
depends what tech you have. I have the left over foxtel HFC line

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this is 2/3 of what i used to get on the same shitty cable 5km away 10 years ago
Such a typical lib supporter reply.

Im all right jack. Everyone must be.

*shakes head….
 
Im on NBN HFC. Im 4km from the exchange and went frkm 3mb/s on ADSL to 250mb/s.
And the people that had copper - that was so cactus the liberals had nbn co roll out brand new copper to prove that copper would work. And now they are running fibre…..


Whats your opinion on that?
 
Im on NBN HFC. Im 4km from the exchange and went frkm 3mb/s on ADSL to 250mb/s.

and this is the point. the hodgepodge solution was not a solution if you were stuck on old copper, or the old original coax
 
and this is the point. the hodgepodge solution was not a solution if you were stuck on old copper, or the old original coax

Given Labor's costs kept going up while the project went nowhere Im not sure FTTH was ever realistic given they were wanting to provide it to more than 90% of the country.

Spending so much on the regions and outer cities was never going to be profitable.
 
Given Labor's costs kept going up while the project went nowhere Im not sure FTTH was ever realistic given they were wanting to provide it to more than 90% of the country.

Spending so much on the regions and outer cities was never going to be profitable.

‘it was about replacing decades old infrastructure with hopefully infrastructure which will be effective in coming decades. For mine the political imperative to do it too quickly so one side or the other gets the credit was the culprit.
Politicising technologies - how incredibly dumb. In the end neither side is covered in glory.

take longer to do it but do it right.
 
Given Labor's costs kept going up while the project went nowhere Im not sure FTTH was ever realistic given they were wanting to provide it to more than 90% of the country.

Spending so much on the regions and outer cities was never going to be profitable.
Fttp costs went down under labor and continued to go down as better ways came about for doing things and equipment costs went down.

any big project like that introduces efficiencies as they learn
 

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