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So how would you describe some one born in Europe, grew up in Melbourne lives up the north end of Queensland and thinks that’s the perfect climate

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Melbourne used to be HEAPS colder in the old days, at least in the city. Below is a list of every sub-10 degree day in Melbourne on record!!

I found this on another forum.....after I put it there. :D

As a wank'ar bike rider, I have an interest in the weather, for obvious reasons. Last year I found the holy grail of weather stats, which is the data for every day on record for every Aus station going back about 160 years (depending on the location): http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data/

Plug in the station number, select what data you want on the "data about" scroll-down option (rain, temperature, etc), and the stats pop up

One very wet day last October, I went through the stats and typed every sub-10 degree Melbourne day.

Melbourne had heaps more sub-10 degree days before around 1970 than we do now, and we also had more in June and other 'outlier' months. I can't even remember Melbourne having a really cold day in June. Here are some things I noticed:

1) Melbourne has only had one sub-10 degree June day since 1967 (in 1990), but between 1900 and 1949 we had 53!!
2) In the last 50 years Melbourne has had only 25 days under 10 degrees, yet in the 50 years between 1900 and 1949 we had 114, and between 1855 and 1900 there were 145.
3) Between 1855 and 1956, we had 34 days under 8 degrees, but in the 62 years since then, we've had only four.
4) Check out 1901, 1908, 1911, 1918, 1943, 1944 and 1945! Boy boy wow wee!! :p
Nine days under 10 degrees in 1901 ( including our coldest day on record of 4.4), 1908 and 1945.
5) Not only did Melbourne have many more days under 10, we also had more under 8 and 9, and even a few under 7.

There are other "interesting" points, but I can't find where I wrote them. Ha. No, I couldn't figure out how to do a table. The gaps are there because I initially missed a few, and including them in order without gaps would've meant heaps more farking around.

Some may question the accuracy of thermometers in the old days but, from what I can find, due to mercury thermometers being such a rudimentary device, accuracy wasn't a problem. Some say that any problem getting accurate data in the old days was more about the reliability of the people keep records (checking it often enough, etc) than about the instruments.

One two-bit theory I have about Melbourne getting warmer is that all the concrete in the city affected the temperature. Watcha reckon?

9.4 on 11 June 1855.......9.0 on 5 July 1861...........9.9 on 11 July 1868...........9.7 on 14 July 1882...........9.3 on 7 July 1890
8.9 on 12 June 1855.......9.3 on 23 July 1861.........9.9 on 18 July 1868...........6.7 on 26 July 1882...........9.3 on 8 July 1890
8.6 on 16 June 1856.......9.7 on 29 July 1861.........8.4 on 20 July 1868...........9.3 on 28 July 1882............9.3 on 16 July 1890
9.5 on 8 July 1856..........9.7 on 26 June 1862........9.4 on 1 Aug 1869.............8.7 on 29 July 1882...........9.3 on 24 July 1890
9.9 on 9 July 1856..........9.9 on 27 June 1862........9.8 on 10 June 1870..........9.6 on 7 Aug 1882............9.4 on 26 July 1890
6.7 on 10 July 1856........9.7 on 1 July 1862...........9.5 on 12 July 1870...........9.5 on 11 Aug 1882...........9.5 on 30 July 1892
9.0 on 11 July 1856........8.4 on 3 July 1862...........9.7 on 27 July 1870............9.5 on 8 July 1883............9.5 on 9 June 1893
9.3 on 14 July 1856........7.2 on 24 July 1862.........9.4 on 8 Aug 1871..............8.9 on 24 July 1884...........8.6 on 29 July 1893
8.8 on 17 July 1856........9.9 on 29 July 1862..........8.1 on 18 Aug 1871............8.5 on 5 June 1885............9.4 on 9 July 1894
8.4 on 8 Aug 1856..........9.2 on 5 Aug 1862............6.7 on 9 Aug 1872.............8.9 on 6 June 1885............8.9 on 10 July 1894
9.3 on 23 May 1857........8.3 on 11 Aug 1862..........8.9 on 26 July 1873............9.9 on 12 June 1885..........9.7 on 12 July 1894
8.0 on 3 June 1857.........9.4 on 14 Aug 1862..........9.5 on 11 June 1874...........8.3 on 22 June 1885............9.4 on 27 May 1895
9.3 on 4 June 1857.........9.9 on 26 June 1863.........7.9 on 12 June 1874...........8.9 on 8 July 1885..............9.9 on 22 July 1895
7.1 on 18 June 1857.......8.7 on 7 July 1863...........9.5 on 8 July 1874...............7.7 on 15 July 1885............9.7 on 27 July 1895
7.6 on 1 July 1858..........9.9 on 17 July 1863..........9.5 on 15 July 1874.............7.7 on 22 July 1885............8.3 on 12 May 1896
7.3 on 4 July 1858..........8.9 on 3 Aug 1863............7.7 on 2 Aug 1874...............9.3 on 8 July 1886..............9.1 on 18 June 1896
9.3 on 12 July 1858.........8.9 on 3 Sep 1863...........9.4 on 4 Aug 1874................9.7 on 9 July 1886...............9.4 on 8 July 1896
9.8 on 13 July 1858.........9.8 on 5 June 1865..........9.9 on 25 Aug 1874..............7.3 on 19 Aug 1886.............9.9 on 29 July 1896
9.1 on 21 May 1859........9.9 on 28 June 1865.........7.5 on 2 July 1875................8.3 on 6 June 1887...............9.3 on 17 July 1897
8.9 on 15 June 1859........8.9 on 10 July 1865..........9.2 on 18 June 1876.............7.3 on 28 June 1887..............9.1 on 24 July 1897
9.9 on 19 June 1859........9.4 on 11 July 1865..........9.1 on 4 July 1876................9.3 on 29 June 1887.............9.4 on 3 Aug 1897
9.3 on 26 June 1859........8.3 on 12 July 1865..........9.4 on 22 June 1878.............9.9 on 6 June 1888...............8.9 on 4 Aug 1897
9.7 on 12 July 1859.........9.1 on 13 July 1865..........5.4 on 23 June 1878.............9.1 on 21 June 1888...............8.9 on 21 June 1898
7.2 on 15 July 1859........9.3 on 21 July 1865...........9.4 on 24 June 1878.............9.1 on 13 July 1888................9.0 on 30 July 1898
9.3 on 14 Sep 1859........8.3 on 22 July 1865...........9.8 on 21 June 1879..............9.9 on 20 July 1888.............9.0 on 29 May 1899
9.5 on 13 July 1860.........9.9 on 11 June 1866..........9.4 on 9 July 1879................9.8 on 21 July 1888...............8.7 on 1 July 1899
8.3 on 21 July 1860.........9.8 on 29 July 1866...........9.5 on 24 July 1879..............8.6 on 26 July 1888..............9.9 on 18 July 1899
9.4 on 2 Aug 1860..........9.6 on 27 July 1867............9.9 on 24 June 1880..............8.2 on 27 July 1888................7.8 on 7 Aug 1899
9.8 on 3 Aug 1860..........9.4 on 9 June 1868.............8.1 on 1 July 1880................9.7 on 30 June 1889...............8.8 on 30 Sep 1899


8.9 on 15 April 1900
7.7 on 28 June 1900..........9.6 on 17 June 1909...........8.8 on 22 July 1927............9.4 on 19 July 1944...........8.9 on 11 July 1960
9.2 on 1 July 1900.............8.6 on 22 July 1910............9.4 on 21 June 1928...........9.5 on 21 July 1944...........9.6 on 8 Aug 1960
9.4 on 17 July 1900....... ...9.1 on 29 May 1911...........9.6 on 22 June 1928............8.3 on 10 June 1945..........9.2 on 17 July 1963
9.3 on 30 Aug 1900..........9.2 on 5 June 1911.............8.4 on 23 June 1929............8.6 on 11 June 1945.........9.6 on 11 August 1964
8.9 on 18 June 1901..........9.9 on 8 June 1911.;...........8.4 on 27 July 1929.............9.1 on 11 July 1945..........8.9 on 9 July 1965
7.0 on 28 June 1901..........9.5 on 21 June 1911............9.9 on 28 July 1929.............8.9 on 12 July 1945..........9.0 on 10 July 1965
9.7 on 29 June 1901..................................................9.7 on 30 July 1929.............9.4 on 14 July 1945...........9.2 on 15 July 1966
4.4 on 4 July 1901.............9.2 on 24 June 1911...........9.3 on 12 July 1931.............9.5 on 15 July 1945..........8.4 on 16 July 1966
8.7 on 5 July 1901.............7.1 on 8 July 1911..............8.4 on 20 June 1932............9.5 on 16 July 1945..........9.1 on 5 June 1967
9.9 on 10 July 1901............9.9 on 9 July 1914..............9.6 on 23 June 1932............9.7 on 17 July 1945...........8.8 on 20 Aug 1968
8.4 on 12 July 1901............9.0 on 12 July 1914............9.7 on 26 June 1932............9.9 on 20 July 1945...........8.3 on 11 Sep 1969
8.5 on 27 July 1901............9.3 on 20 July 1914............7.7 on 14 August 1932...............................................8.8 on 7 July 1972
7.3 on 28 July 1901............9.7 on 1 July 1916..............9.1 on 26 June 1933............7.5 on 14 June 1948.........7.2 on 7 July 1973
10.1 on 29 July 1901...........9.3 on 20 June 1917...........9.4 on 8 June 1934..............9.3 on 18 July 1948..........7.4 on 8 July 1973
8.7 on 24 June 1902...................................................6.9 on 24 June 1934.............8.7 on 31 May 1949.........7.3 on 19 July 1975
9.1 on 13 July 1902.............7.1 on 24 June 1917..........8.3 on 20 June 1935.............9.2 on 18 June 1949.........8.3 on 31 May 1977
9.8 on 24 June 1903............9.7 on 25 June 1917...........8.5 on 24 June 1935............9.3 on 21 June 1949..........8.3 on 18 July 1982
9.1 on 25 June 1903............9.9 on 29 June 1918...........9.5 on 10 June 1937............9.0 on 28 June 1949..........8.5 on 29 June 1983
9.9 on 4 July 1903...............9.7 on 13 July 1918............9.3 on 19 June 1937............9.5 on 24 July 1949...........8.7 on 19 July 1983
9.4 on 10 July 1903.............9.9 on 20 July 1918............7.5 on 21 June 1937............6.7 on 20 June 1950.........7.0 on 3 July 1984
9.1 on 11 July 1903.............8.3 on 21 July 1918.............9.9 on 19 July 1940 ............7.7 on 22 June 1950.........9.2 on 9 July 1986
8.4 on 23 July 1906.............9.3 on 22 July 1918.............9.7 on 14 July 1941.............9.1 on 14 July 1950...........9.7 on 27 June 1990
9.9 on 30 June 1907............8.5 on 30 June 1919............9.0 on 5 July 1943...............9.8 on 8 May 1951............8.9 on 1 July 1990
9.2 on 12 July 1907.............9.5 on 5 June 1920..............9.0 on 6 July 1943...............7.7 on 20 July 1951...........9.6 on 27 July 1991
9.7 on 5 June 1908..............8.1 on 29 June 1922............9.1 on 7 July 1943...............7.7 on 9 August 1951........9.8 on 12 July 1993
8.7 on 21 June 1908............8.1 on 30 June 1922............9.5 on 8 July 1943...............7.9 on 13 July 1952...........8.5 on 10 July 1995
9.5 on 22 June 1908............9.0 on 29 Oct 1922.............9.7 on 4 August 1943...........9.3 on 5 July 1954.............9.4 on 12 July 1996
9.5 on 24 June 1908............9.4 on 8 June 1924..............9.7 on 12 Sep 1943.............8.3 on 11 July 1954...........8.9 on 9 July 1998
7.5 on 30 June 1908............9.9 on 21 June 1924............9.2 on 1 June 1944..............8.0 on 12 July 1954...........9.8 on 14 Aug 2004
9.9 on 1 July 1908...............8.6 on 8 July 1924...............9.4 on 15 June 1944............7.8 on 24 June 1956..........9.2 on 17 July 2007
9.4 on 4 July 1908...............9.4 on 8 July 1925...............9.9 on 23 June 1944............9.6 on 30 June 1960..........9.7 on 20 July 2013
9.9 on 16 July 1908.............8.4 on 17 July 1925..............9.3 on 17 July 1944.............9.6 on 1 July 1960.............9.8 on 14 July 2015
9.8 on 22 July 1908.............9.5 on 2 July 1926................8.8 on 18 July 1944.............8.7 on 4 July 1960.............9.0 on 3 Aug 2017
.........................................9.4 on 9 June 1927
 
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Interesting stuff.
I have read that over the last 50 odd years til now we have been in a warm period.
And that we are now going to go into a colder period.
The Earth has always historically had these cycles.

As for getting warmer due to Melbourne becoming a more built up city.
This is indeed a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island
 
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Btw i've also had a fiddle around Climate data online.
It's a great site!
The big thing i noticed for Hobart is our summers used to be a lot cooler.
Especially night time temps.

As for sub 10 degree days.
Hobart gets half a dozen to a dozen each year.

Since the year 2000 stats for sub 10 days here.

2000 - 7 (coldest 6.3 degrees)
2001 - 9 (coldest 7.4 degrees)
2002 - 6 (coldest 8.9 degrees)
2003 - 11 (coldest 8.3 degrees)
2004 - 21 (coldest 5.9 degrees)
2005 - 11 (coldest 6.4 degrees)
2006 - 15 (coldest 8.6 degrees)
2007 - 20 (coldest 7.4 degrees)
2008 - 3 (coldest 8.0 degrees)
2009 - 9 (coldest 8.6 degrees)
2010 - 4 (coldest 9.4 degrees)
2011 - 11 (coldest 7.5 degrees)
2012 - 7 (coldest 8.0 degrees)
2013 - 6 (coldest 7.9 degrees)
2014 - 9 (coldest 7.3 degrees)
2015 - 16 (coldest 7.2 degrees)
2016 - 5 (coldest 7.7 degrees)
2017 - 7 (coldest 9.0 degrees)


Judging by the stats one of the coldest winters here would be that of 1937.
33 sub 10 degrees days.
Most of June that year didn't warm above 10.
Also it was the coldest June for minimum temps.
Falling below zero on 4 occasions.
 
Btw i've also had a fiddle around Climate data online.
It's a great site!.
Yep, the last time I went looking for those daily stats, which was a long time ago, the Bureau said I had to pay for it, so I'm not sure how long it's been available for free.

It's also fun busting people exaggerating about so-called "extreme" weather events they experienced in the days of yore. They bang on about a heatwave or the "coldest day ever" they suffered through, then I can check it and tell them they were full of shit. :D

Perhaps Hobart hasn't warmed up as much as Melbourne over the decades.
 

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was cold this morning, turned into a lovely day though

Yeah it got down to 6.2 degrees this morning in Melbourne.
Coldest since September last year.

Down here it got down to 5.2 degrees.
The 4th morning in a row of temps under 7 degrees.
It's nice as i find it easier to sleep at those temps.

Liawenee in Tas got down to -5.2
 
Here's for some random weather facts.
Coldest max/mins for each state for April

NSW

Lowest max: -5.6 at Thredbo Top Station (1978)
Lowest min: -13.0 at Charlotte's Pass (2009)

Victoria

Lowest max: -3.2 at Mt Hotham (2008)
Lowest min: -17.4 at Mt Hotham (1991)

QLD

Lowest max: 11.3 at Stanthorpe (2015)
Lowest min: -3.5 at Stanthorpe (1978)

WA

Lowest max: 10.0 at Mt Barker (1955)
Lowest min: -2.2 at Wandering (1954)

SA

Lowest max: 7.3 at Mt Lofty (2008)
Lowest min: -3.5 at Williamstown (1981)

Tasmania

Lowest max: -2.4 at Mt Wellington (1963)
Lowest min: -7.7 at Liawenee

NT

Lowest max: 10.6 at Alice Springs (1916)
Lowest min: 1.0 at Tempe Downs (1971)
 
ooh cold. I do like the cold at times. nothing better when I come down to melb for a weekend of footy to rug up, hot coffee, jam donut and pie watching the footy

got to 19.7 where I am at 5:43am, and, at the same, in the 2 hours between 4am and 6am, had 50mm tumble down.
 
Here's for some random weather facts.
Coldest max/mins for each state for April

NSW

Lowest max: -5.6 at Thredbo Top Station (1978)
Lowest min: -13.0 at Charlotte's Pass (2009)

Victoria

Lowest max: -3.2 at Mt Hotham (2008)
Lowest min: -17.4 at Mt Hotham (1991)

QLD

Lowest max: 11.3 at Stanthorpe (2015)
Lowest min: -3.5 at Stanthorpe (1978)

WA

Lowest max: 10.0 at Mt Barker (1955)
Lowest min: -2.2 at Wandering (1954)

SA

Lowest max: 7.3 at Mt Lofty (2008)
Lowest min: -3.5 at Williamstown (1981)

Tasmania

Lowest max: -2.4 at Mt Wellington (1963)
Lowest min: -7.7 at Liawenee

NT

Lowest max: 10.6 at Alice Springs (1916)
Lowest min: 1.0 at Tempe Downs (1971)

So, not one of the lowest minimums translated to the lowest maximum. That's kinda weird.

I experienced something pretty cool on the weekend. We drove up Haleakala volcano in Maui. Would have been about 28 degrees at the base. It's one of the largest inclines in a short amount of space in the world. You see the same range of climates as you would driving from Canada to Mexico. At the top it was probably about 14 degrees. I didn't realize it until I looked it up but at 10,023ft it's the highest I would have been on Earth. Weird to think that you can just drive up it but it's 3,000ft higher than the peak of Whistler.
 

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So, not one of the lowest minimums translated to the lowest maximum. That's kinda weird.

I experienced something pretty cool on the weekend. We drove up Haleakala volcano in Maui. Would have been about 28 degrees at the base. It's one of the largest inclines in a short amount of space in the world. You see the same range of climates as you would driving from Canada to Mexico. At the top it was probably about 14 degrees. I didn't realize it until I looked it up but at 10,023ft it's the highest I would have been on Earth. Weird to think that you can just drive up it but it's 3,000ft higher than the peak of Whistler.

I wonder if the lower minimums are at night with no cloud cover so the subsequent is actually sunny and not so cool
 

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