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Re: What's Going On With North's Crowds? The AFL Must Act!

mattys123 said:
HELLO.

Anyone home?

Port played tonight, and just barely cracked the 20k mark (20,106) yet no one has had a go at them now.

Surely this club has to be considered a basket case now, especially when the crowds are only going to get smaller now that their season is effectively over.

Poor crowd, poor club, both on and off the ground.
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I wouldn't want to kick any club over crowds but there is one Port Adelaide supporter who has been cheering for North's demise for some time now. I welcome his response to your post.
 
Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

While we constantly bag Norf for their crowd, we constantly overlook Port adelaide's woeful crowds

Round 1 Vs North: 21,205
Round 3 Vs Brisbane: 23,306
Round 5 Vs St Kilda: 23,355
Round 8 Vs Carlton: 30,228
Round 10 Vs Richmond: 16,694 (I excuse this one as the conditons were woeful)
Round 12 Vs Sydney: 20,106


The latest game is the worry. Perfect night and with Port fighting for a top 8 spot, i would of though more people would care. Obviously not...

Maybe look at North's crowd this week and then look to whom to bag in terms of crowds. :thumbsu:
 

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Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Time for the Port supporters to pull their finger out and support the club. Like North this week
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

footycool said:
While we constantly bag Norf for their crowd, we constantly overlook Port adelaide's woeful crowds

Round 1 Vs North: 21,205
Round 3 Vs Brisbane: 23,306
Round 5 Vs St Kilda: 23,355
Round 8 Vs Carlton: 30,228
Round 10 Vs Richmond: 16,694 (I excuse this one as the conditons were woeful)
Round 12 Vs Sydney: 20,106


The latest game is the worry. Perfect night and with Port fighting for a top 8 spot, i would of though more people would care. Obviously not...

Maybe look at North's crowd this week and then look to whom to bag in terms of crowds. :thumbsu:
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I would have thought Essendon supporters would have more pressing issues to be concerned about than Port's crowds this season....
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Footytool, we're a tiny country where our nearest rival codes would love figures and memberships like that, and you want to get rid of clubs like that? We want more not less.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Mitch Power said:
I would have thought Essendon supporters would have more pressing issues to be concerned about than Port's crowds this season....
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What has that got to do with anything?
Stop carrying on like a moron and discuss the topic at hand or leave the thread.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

How good was it to hear the Sydney supporters chanting loudly last night at AAMI Stadium with Port fans streaming out of the ground. :D
 

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Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Wizard said:
What has that got to do with anything?
Stop carrying on like a moron and discuss the topic at hand or leave the thread.
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Who pressed your button clown?

The comparison by footytool was comparing Port's crowds with North Melbourne's most recent crowd which happened to be against another Melbourne based team. He or she was not comparing apples with apples as the Port crowds he listed were against interstate clubs. Even a strongly supported Melbourne club like Essendon does not get huge crowds against non Victorian clubs. Have a look at the attendances of Essendon against Fremantle in Melbourne in recent years or Fremantle games in Melbourne this year.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

greennick said:
Didn't realise they were in that much trouble. Where are they going to find an extra $3-4m each year??
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It would certainly help if we and the Crows had a stadium deal similar to yours and Fremantles. It was reported in the press recently that the Crows with their large membership are forecasting a loss for this year. The 2 Adelaide clubs are ranked 15th and 16th by the AFL in terms of stadium yields and that is why Demetriou and Port is pushing so hard to relocate to Adelaide Oval where they expect to have a far more attractive stadium deal. It would also help if Port start to win a few more games. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think we have made finals for 4 out of the last 6 years. Tough times ahead certainly in the next 2-3 years.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Port is the AFL's new problem child.

They are a bigger problem than any Melbourne club.

The nature and context of their birth is the problem.

The good news for them is that Adelaide will always have a minimum of two clubs, always, so I'm confident that in the long run, they will work it out.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Mitch Power said:
It would certainly help if we and the Crows had a stadium deal similar to yours and Fremantles. It was reported in the press recently that the Crows with their large membership are forecasting a loss for this year. The 2 Adelaide clubs are ranked 15th and 16th by the AFL in terms of stadium yields and that is why Demetriou and Port is pushing so hard to relocate to Adelaide Oval where they expect to have a far more attractive stadium deal. It would also help if Port start to win a few more games. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think we have made finals for 4 out of the last 6 years. Tough times ahead certainly in the next 2-3 years.
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Certainly a good place to start in terms of closing the funding gap. The SANFL's determination to make a mint off their stadium is going to end up in them not making a cent off it if they are not careful.

Our stadium deal certainly is the way to go. We are lucky it was set-up back when it was not that profitable, so we pay a rent for the stadium, but get it signage free and with limited inflated expenses to set against the profits. On the downside, it is a shit stadium.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

That's what happens when you let emotion and sense of entitlement creep into a decision to award a sub-license.

All that has been created is an AFL endorsed creation of another Fitzroy (or North) without those Cub's history of playing with the big boys. Port are too small in too small a marketplace to ever be a viable long term prospect. For all their success at SANFL they were never a financial powerhouse, they always straddled the financial tightrope. What, we all thought that would magically change at an AFL level?

The decision to follow a pseudo State team like the Eagles by creating (not elevating) a team in Fremantle should have been followed. We don't have the Southport FC in the AFL next year and we won't have some current NSWAFL club or suburb the year after. Short term pain for a better and more sustainable long term result.

A mate of mine can't get season tickets for his family (4 kids) so they wait on the list. They won't go to Port games, because they are Norwood fans, his boys would have all latched onto a completely new SA team tho', this theory that a 'South Coast Pirates' would never work because of the Crows success in the 90's is propaganda peddled by Port people with a vested interest in that agenda. The reality is tho', that as the years and decades passed people would have supported a second composite side.

Choco said in his presser after their Showdown win that 'kids in this town need to start realising which team is on the way up and which team is on the way down' and that there were too many kids wearing Crows guernseys for his liking. Guess what a) 5 game losing streak but more importantly b) no child that ever comes into my family will ever have anything but hatred for Port Power. Sure, you can teach your kids to hate Collingwood, or Carlton or Essendon but they exist in a 10 team marketplace, when you are in a 2 team town you can't have 75% of the population out and out despise everything about you.

Port can't endear new supporters in useful numbers, they can't ingratiate themselves to disenfranchised fans in a meaningful way either. They are currently stinking it up on field and they have a coach who polarises opinion and who is undoubtedly having an effect on their crowds. All going into a period where new State franchises are coming in with unprecedented draft and recruiting concessions that could leave a a lot of teams in the wilderness of Premiership success in the next 10-15 years.

Port have brought a knife to a gun fight, by the time the Geelong cycle of excellences ends, the spectre of GC will be about. Port are conservatively 10 years away from a flag with no forwards or rucks but 5 years a way from obscurity.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

the world is gonna end aint it Aneale. Maybe you should repost in the Bay. One question to you, where has your aparent billions of dollars and millions of supporters got the crows over the past few years. Psuedo state teams all the way, close down all the clubs, yeah - what passion our national game would have:rolleyes:
 

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Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Mitch Power said:
It would certainly help if we and the Crows had a stadium deal similar to yours and Fremantles.
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We were losing money too when we were getting crowds as small as yours.

It's not just the magical stadium deal making us rich, it's the fact we've almost doubled our crowds since we entered the comp. The stadium deal wasn't doing shit for us when we were drawing 19,000 to games - we were paying millions in rent and getting nothing back.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Mitch Power said:
It would certainly help if we and the Crows had a stadium deal similar to yours and Fremantles. It was reported in the press recently that the Crows with their large membership are forecasting a loss for this year. The 2 Adelaide clubs are ranked 15th and 16th by the AFL in terms of stadium yields and that is why Demetriou and Port is pushing so hard to relocate to Adelaide Oval where they expect to have a far more attractive stadium deal. It would also help if Port start to win a few more games. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think we have made finals for 4 out of the last 6 years. Tough times ahead certainly in the next 2-3 years.
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I truly dont understand this . Leight Whicker from the SANFL is involved in the SMA ( Stadium Management authority) for the Adelaide Oval Upgrade so why is moving to Adelaide Oval which is going to cost money give thema better deal than at AAMI. The SANFL will still be involved so why cant they have the same deal they will eventually get at Adelaide Oval given to them now whilst they are at AAMI.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Port and Crows home game crowds are way down currently, yet SANFL crowds have been rising the past couple of seasons. Maybe we're just losing interest in the AFL? I can't even watch more than a quarter of a game not involving my team without being bored shitless these days.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Portsmeff said:
the world is gonna end aint it Aneale. Maybe you should repost in the Bay. One question to you, where has your aparent billions of dollars and millions of supporters got the crows over the past few years. Psuedo state teams all the way, close down all the clubs, yeah - what passion our national game would have:rolleyes:
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The difference is that Crows games are sold out, Season ticket holders who don't show up is another discussion. We still have a season ticket waiting list, and why, because their are tens of thousands more Crows supporters to draw on, and more keep coming through the generations. That isn't slowing down.

Port is a dying area with soon to be no real recollection of their past as Centrals wipe out their records. What happens in 40 years time when no one remembers a Port SANFL flag? :rolleyes:

You can all crap on about your 'passion' til the cows come home, but it isn't winning you games, it isn't making you money and it isn't magically drawing 15,000 more supporters to the game. Lets not fool ourselves, if Freo (with their wonderous stadium deal) were getting 16,000 - 20,000 people to their games they's not be raking in money either. Port (and their fans) need to realise what the AFL is.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Port tried to build a club on tradition and passion.

Unfortunately AFL is about big business.

Port need to sit down and setup a real plan, they are no where near the same club as the Adelaide Crows.

THey need to rebuild and accept they are a smaller club, doesnt mean they can't be bigger on the field.

Port can survive, they should easily.

They always should have kept Port Magpies IMO, as their reserves club.
 
Re: Port Adelaide's Crowd Worry

Port fans are frustrated by the coaching panel refusing to put some type of forward structure inplace. We have plenty of decent young KPFs in the sanfl and yet after 5-6 weeks of no Tredrea Port still go with Ebert as the main and basically only forward. It seems everyone but Port realises it doesn't work.

It's not really an excuse, but the frustration is causes amongst fans isn't helping crowd numbers.
 

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