The Crowd Thread

[SA HAWK]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Look a fair way off the top 4 or 5 sides but can mix it with the rest.

Very good young developing midfield but i have serious doubts about their defence and forward line.

 

[Macca18]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

What this bloke says.

Also, good to see that Bay13 style trolls against North are flourishing on the main board.

All is well on the good ship BF.

I love how delusionals like yourself treat even the slightest criticial thread/post on North Melbourne anywhere as a 'troll' ... go read some of the other stuff on here about other teams, including my own...

Everybody is fair game. Especially after such an insipid performance.

 

[lards]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

You mean players like Anthony (injured), Adams (injured), Ross (injured) Wells (injured) Urquhart (injured)

These are the guys who have played AFL. Not including Speight, Macmillan

Yeah I think we need more of this type. Maybe we can be like Essendon.

That would be a good place to start.

 

[The Zebra]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

The fact is that North is playing a very young team, but so is most of the competition. The North team that played on the weekend were not significantly younger than Essendon, Melbourne, Richmond, Carlton, West Coast and Fremantle. North are a fair way behind most of these teams.

A fair way behind?

North has played 3 of those teams and beat 2 of them.

 

[lards]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Look a fair way off the top 4 or 5 sides but can mix it with the rest.

Very good young developing midfield but i have serious doubts about their defence and forward line.

Hansen, Thompson and Grima go alright as does Greenwood. Their fwd line is a concern, wouldnt be resting my future with Hale, Warren and Thomas. Maybe Tarrant and Black could be the answer?

 

[Jono B]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

North's problem is Essendon's problem a few years ago - there's a big hole in the 23-28 y.o age group, they've got an exciting crop of kids around the 18-22 y.o bracket and then some established guns > 27 y.o and not much in between.

Look at NM's starting midfield - Swallow, Ziebell, Bastinac, Cunnington, Harvey, McIntosh - that's one player (excluding the ruck) who's over 25. They have a dazzingly low amount of games played, which is the more relevant statistic

We have virtually the same situation but in key positions. 1 player over 25 and a bunch of 1st and 2nd year kids. We even had a less experienced team.

Freo had more inexperienced kids than North too. North are simply miles behind the rest of the comp from what we have seen this year.

 

[lards]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Except we've already won four games. And we'll beat you.

hahahaha based on form, your mob are bracing themselves for a belting. but we always get beaten and its still ages away so anything can happen. I think we should win easily if we want to have any chance of playing finals footy.

 

[The Zebra]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

We have virtually the same situation but in key positions. 1 player over 25 and a bunch of 1st and 2nd year kids. We even had a less experienced team.

Actually, you had an older and more experienced team than North put out there today when Freo comfortably beat you in Melbourne.

 

[Jono B]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Actually, you had an older and more experienced team than North put out there today when Freo comfortably beat you in Melbourne.

Talk about clutching at straws. It was 2 months ago. The team fielded then gives little indication of where the club is heading now.

But please, tell us about North's heroic display in round 2. Surely it is relevant.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Freo had more inexperienced kids than North too.

Wrong

Freo:
Fyfe- 6 games
Morabito- 10
Ballantyne- 18
Suban- 27
Palmer- 30
Hill- 32
Mayne- 32
Ibbotson- 47

North:
O"Keefe- 2 Games
Cunnington- 6
Bastinac- 10
Wright- 13
Greenwood- 16
Ziebell- 20
Grima- 22
Goldstein- 26
Thompson- 38
Hansen- 39

 

[The Zebra]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Talk about clutching at straws. It was 2 months ago. The team fielded then gives little indication of where the club is heading now.

But please, tell us about North's heroic display in round 2. Surely it is relevant.

It was 8 rounds ago, not 8 months.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Red Cards being handed out everywhere?

They've probably tried to 'hang on' a bit too long under Laidley which is now costing them.

They need to be active in the trade period I feel, try and offload what they have an excess supply of (ie. ruckmen), and keep getting talented youth into the joint. I think they are on the right track in that area with the likes of Ziebell and Cunnington. Macmillan will be a player down the track after having seen him in the VFL.

This. Very well spotted. Black too. We're going alright for the kids at the moment.

 

[Jono B]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Wrong

Freo:
Fyfe- 6 games
Morabito- 10
Ballantyne- 18
Suban- 27
Palmer- 30
Hill- 32
Mayne- 32
Ibbotson- 47

North:
O"Keefe- 2 Games
Cunnington- 6
Bastinac- 10
Wright- 13
Greenwood- 16
Ziebell- 20
Grima- 22
Goldstein- 26
Thompson- 38
Hansen- 39

Van Berlo? Pearce? DeBoer?

 

[Pykie]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

16 touches a game is hardly good numbers, the sort of stats he has been getting are similar to what Sam Lonergan have been getting, who is getting critisised for not getting the numbers required for playing in the midfield.

I know Beams and Zaharakis play HFF but this does not mean that they should pick up more numbers, in fact the opposite is true.

The fact is that North is playing a very young team, but so is most of the competition. The North team that played on the weekend were not significantly younger than Essendon, Melbourne, Richmond, Carlton, West Coast and Fremantle. North are a fair way behind most of these teams.

Jack Ziebell turned 19, 2 months ago, Lonergan is 4 years older than him, his disposal is in another stratosphere, please don't compare the two ever again.



If we are going purely by disposals a game, Bastinac is better than every single one of them.

Ziebell does the grunt work that neither of Beams or Zaharakis do,
he averages a high tackle, clearance and contested possession ratio. and with a far lower TOG%.

As said by the commentators, Ziebell is the most benched player in the competition, he simply doesn't have the tank yet, both of his 2 pre-seasons have been non existant so far in the AFL due to injury, and its widely recognised it will take him a good 2-3 more years to build it up to a good level.


Once he gets to that level, you will see him getting 30+ numbers consistently.

Atm, he is getting around 65% TOG, and still getting those numbers.

 

[Macca18]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Talk about clutching at straws. It was 2 months ago. The team fielded then gives little indication of where the club is heading now.

But please, tell us about North's heroic display in round 2. Surely it is relevant.

Is that when they lost by over 100 points to St Kilda? Another quality display by North Melbourne...

 

[Jono B]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

It was 8 rounds ago, not 8 months.

I know but it is still a fair bit back. Please explain how it is so relevant?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Van Berlo? Pearce? DeBoer?

The first two play for adelaide based clubs dont they?

Didint look at the rookie lists.

 

[Lockyer24]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

In this day of forward pressure etc, North playing all those giants is ridiculous. It will never work.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Jack Ziebell turned 19, 2 months ago, Lonergan is 4 years older than him, his disposal is in another stratosphere, please don't compare the two ever again.



If we are going purely by disposals a game, Bastinac is better than every single one of them.

Ziebell does the grunt work that neither of Beams or Zaharakis do,
he averages a high tackle, clearance and contested possession ratio. and with a far lower TOG%.

As said by the commentators, Ziebell is the most benched player in the competition, he simply doesn't have the tank yet, both of his 2 pre-seasons have been non existant so far in the AFL due to injury, and its widely recognised it will take him a good 2-3 more years to build it up to a good level.


Once he gets to that level, you will see him getting 30+ numbers consistently.

Atm, he is getting around 65% TOG, and still getting those numbers.

When JZ is 23, he will smash games apart then put them back together in his own image.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

he simply doesn't have the tank yet, both of his 2 pre-seasons have been non existant so far in the AFL due to injury, and its widely recognised it will take him a good 2-3 more years to build it up to a good level.

This is a good point, IMO Ziebell packed on too much muscle too quickly, seems to really effected his mobility and ability to get too as many contests as last year. Give him time, he'll be destroying teams in the centre.

 

[Jono B]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Jack Ziebell turned 19, 2 months ago, Lonergan is 4 years older than him, his disposal is in another stratosphere, please don't compare the two ever again.



If we are going purely by disposals a game, Bastinac is better than every single one of them.

Ziebell does the grunt work that neither of Beams or Zaharakis do,
he averages a high tackle, clearance and contested possession ratio. and with a far lower TOG%.

As said by the commentators, Ziebell is the most benched player in the competition, he simply doesn't have the tank yet, both of his 2 pre-seasons have been non existant so far in the AFL due to injury, and its widely recognised it will take him a good 2-3 more years to build it up to a good level.


Once he gets to that level, you will see him getting 30+ numbers consistently.

Atm, he is getting around 65% TOG, and still getting those numbers.

Of course he is in another class. Does not change the fact that his numbers are no where near AFL standard yet.

I am sure if he bulids a proper midfield tank he will be a star. But not everyone has the capacity to get to this level. So I think there is still a fair question mark over how good he will be.

 

[Pykie]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Of course he is in another class. Does not change the fact that his numbers are no where near AFL standard yet.

I am sure if he bulids a proper midfield tank he will be a star. But not everyone has the capacity to get to this level. So I think there is still a fair question mark over how good he will be.

Ziebell is no where near AFL standard?


Must be watching a different bloke.

 

[Jono B]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Ziebell is no where near AFL standard?


Must be watching a different bloke.

What part of "his numbers" don't you understand?

 

[Pykie]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

What part of "his numbers" don't you understand?

We arn't talking about 200 game veteran within a single season here.



To imply his numbers this year "arn't up to AFL standard", is to imply Jack himself isn't up to AFL standard at the moment.


It's not a hard concept.



But the fact remains, its bullshit.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

A bit rich from most Dons supporters in here, everyone must have short memories. The shit that Jetta, Dempsey, Myers, Gumby constantly copped, and we defended them and are now being justified.

Its obvious that North are low on confidence, and its reflected in their performances to date. Their is a lot of talent in that midfield group (Ziebell, Bastinac, Anthony, Swallow, Thomas, Greenwood, Cunnington) and at some point in time down the track things will change and most of them will come good and make many look like fools.