The Crowd Thread

[trooroo4life]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

In this day of forward pressure etc, North playing all those giants is ridiculous. It will never work.

Yes , i and other North supporters know this. But i can see why they done it but i hope they dont do it again

Goldstein - Number 1 ruckman at the club this year so hard to drop
McIntosh - Best ruckman for the past few years at our club and up there in the comp
Petrie - Well simply we need him maybe a week in the two's would have been better but we simply need him
Hale - One to be dropped out of the four to be honest but i can see why they wouldnt drop him because he is our leading goal kicker which is sad and scary but seriously i have given up on Hale , leads but not enough , hardly ever takes contested marks or crashes packs ... sure the odd one here or there but not good enough.

Its a hard decision on who to drop out of the four but i think it HAS to be Hale and blood another foward i.e Black - Tarrant - Smith , But i agree with you Lockyer24

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

How much personnel changes has this North side had from the side that defeated St.Kilda in round 21 last year? i must say they looked a hell of a lot better and more competitive during Crocker short tenure than what they do now, you could of thought finals was a possibility this year.

Perhaps they are getting adjusted to Scott change of gameplan?

 

[snrub]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

North going to the GC would have been a disaster.
They would have probably lost 30% of their Melbourne supporters and not picked that amount up on the GC.
A new club up there will get many new members whereas North on the coast wouldn't have gotten expats from Southern States joining as they would still follow their existing clubs.

That's actually a very optimistic figure. The club banked on dropping from 24,000 to around 10,000 Melbourne members, and the way membership sales were tracking up until the day JB took over and rejected the Gold Coast, the club would not have reached 5,000.

 

[trooroo4life]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

The gameplan is currently our worry , sides who have great disposal will beat us on most occasions. Gives away cheap goals with opposition running in uncontested to goal , and our game plan allows the chip sidewards/backwards and with better side allows them to hit targets with great kicking. I am going to continue supporting the gameplan if scott beleives it will work but theres only so much i can take

 

[snrub]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

How much personnel changes has this North side had from the side that defeated St.Kilda in round 21 last year? i must say they looked a hell of a lot better and more competitive during Crocker short tenure than what they do now, you could of thought finals was a possibility this year.

Perhaps they are getting adjusted to Scott change of gameplan?

We beat StKilda because we shut them down. It was a low scoring game in perfect conditions. Brad Scott is not interested in shut down football just now. He wants to teach our young players how to kick goals, not defend at all costs and pray for a miracle on the rebound. But that means we are being exposed to big scores from well drilled and highly skilled opponents.

 

[snrub]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Ha ha. and I hope you enjoy watching us in the finals. From what you say not a single Freo player fumbled on Sunday as there never was a whiff of pressure.

One thing we know for fact is that Ballantyne invented pressure on 3 occasions in pretending to have his neck broken following minimal or no contact.

 

[gandaal]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

There is nothing wrong at Arden street, at least on the field and in the administration. They're just going through a low patch on the field. It's happens to every team.

What's wrong with North Melbourne is that they aren't very popular and will never be a financial powerhouse of the competition in it's current state.

 

[Roby]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

It was two years ago. Very relevant. Speed has never, ever won a flag. Ever. Hawthorn won because Hodge, Sewell and Mitchell took massive physical punishment and won contested footy.

So then slowness will win you a premiership?

Again, it's the youngest midfield set-up in the AFL. You're expecting teenagers and a few blokes in their early 20's to be quick, strong, have AFL engines and develop at three times the rate to the average player. It just won't happen.

Yes, they will run all day chasing other quick players, supposedly in a few years time.

As for having a dig at Geelong, they are best midfield I have ever seen and you'd have to mount a very strong argument to convince there have been any better in the history of the game. And they have one quick bloke, whose speed doesn't hold a candle to his other strengths as a footballer.

None of your young midfielders are as quick as Ablett. Players like Johnson and Enirght rotate through there.

So in sumation to my original question, that your midfield is slow, you will persist with this. I doubt that the club views it same. You will get an good pick this year so who know you may get the next Judd. I hear Rioli's cousin will be drafted this year, might be worth having a look.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

So then slowness will win you a premiership?

Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell, Lewis, Crawford.

Absolute lightning.

 

[Roby]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell, Lewis, Crawford.

Absolute lightning.

Quicker than North's current young midfielders? Check.

You also forgot Young, Bateman and we rotated Rioli in there as well. Yeah don't let a good story get in the way of the facts.

It just not the midfield though, the whole team is slow in general. Although you have a few zippy players up forward, so you would need to work on your midfield first.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Another North Melbourne thread, yay!

On field North are fine, **** me sideways, they lost to Fremantle by 61 points at Subi, get used to it boys and girls, thats going to start happening to everyone, ask Geelong.

Their only problems is that not too many quality players range from the ages of 23-27. Which means they need to continue recruiting and developing so their list of 18-22 gets to 22-27 and they are guns, while they have 18-22 year olds that are guns.

We all know North has off field problems, but lets not try to suggest they have on field problems when they are fielding a young team and are 4-6. They might end up 6-16 and it still would not be bad, as long as they are developing players like Melbourne & Richmond are.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Another North Melbourne thread, yay!

On field North are fine, **** me sideways, they lost to Fremantle by 61 points at Subi, get used to it boys and girls, thats going to start happening to everyone, ask Geelong.

Their only problems is that not too many quality players range from the ages of 23-27. Which means they need to continue recruiting and developing so their list of 18-22 gets to 22-27 and they are guns, while they have 18-22 year olds that are guns.

We all know North has off field problems, but lets not try to suggest they have on field problems when they are fielding a young team and are 4-6. They might end up 6-16 and it still would not be bad, as long as they are developing players like Melbourne & Richmond are.

Good post.

If we beat the other developing teams, then its a good season. So far we've played two - Melbourne and West Coast - and beaten them both.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Good post.

If we beat the other developing teams, then its a good season. So far we've played two - Melbourne and West Coast - and beaten them both.

wrong. as much as winning against other developing and INCONSISTENT teams may be good, you have to be competitive against the better teams as well for a good season IMO, because that is where you want to be heading, to be one of the better teams in the comp. WHile North certainly have the potential, i havent seen any real talent in NOrths forward line, certainly not to the extent of their midfield (apart from o'keefe up forward) this is an area they really need to address

 

[ansonholt]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Another North Melbourne thread, yay!

On field North are fine, **** me sideways, they lost to Fremantle by 61 points at Subi, get used to it boys and girls, thats going to start happening to everyone, ask Geelong.

Their only problems is that not too many quality players range from the ages of 23-27. Which means they need to continue recruiting and developing so their list of 18-22 gets to 22-27 and they are guns, while they have 18-22 year olds that are guns.

We all know North has off field problems, but lets not try to suggest they have on field problems when they are fielding a young team and are 4-6. They might end up 6-16 and it still would not be bad, as long as they are developing players like Melbourne & Richmond are.

This is one reason I have a soft spot for Richmond and always will. Their fans are awesome. Thanks mate

 

[Gambelic]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Great decision to bring in 3 big men who were probably underdone in Petrie, McIntosh & Hale for a game at Subiaco.

Some genius coaching by Brad Scott.

As smart as playing a final without a ruckman ?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Fitter than North's current young midfielders? Check.

You also forgot Young, Bateman and we rotated Rioli in there as well. Yeah don't let a good story get in the way of the facts.

It just not the midfield though, the whole team is slow in general. Although you have a few zippy players up forward, so you would need to work on your midfield first.

Efa.

Dont let the fact that Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell and Lewis had been in the league for 6, 7, 6 and 4 years respectively in 2008 get in the way either

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

wrong. as much as winning against other developing and INCONSISTENT teams may be good, you have to be competitive against the better teams as well for a good season IMO, because that is where you want to be heading, to be one of the better teams in the comp. WHile North certainly have the potential, i havent seen any real talent in NOrths forward line, certainly not to the extent of their midfield (apart from o'keefe up forward) this is an area they really need to address

As opposed to the path you guys took, losing every

single

week

for 2 years straight.

I'm pretty much over Melbourne supporters lecturing on how development is supposed to be done. At least the vast majority who omit the crucial 'tank for picks' phase.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

wrong. as much as winning against other developing and INCONSISTENT teams may be good, you have to be competitive against the better teams as well for a good season IMO, because that is where you want to be heading, to be one of the better teams in the comp. WHile North certainly have the potential, i havent seen any real talent in NOrths forward line, certainly not to the extent of their midfield (apart from o'keefe up forward) this is an area they really need to address

We also have Tarrant and Black as potential KPF, both very highly rated and Petrie to come back from inj too.

On beating the developing teams. If we beat Geelong this year it doesn't tell us much about where we'll be in three years when chances are their window will be shut.

Beating other developing sides shows us we'll be very good then.

 

[Radical Roo]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

... WHile North certainly have the potential, i havent seen any real talent in NOrths forward line, certainly not to the extent of their midfield (apart from o'keefe up forward) this is an area they really need to address

As to talent, we certainly dont have anyone like Franklin, Riewolt or Pavlich. But the goal by the end of the year is to get people like Edward, Warren, Thomas, O'Keefe comfortable in their positions. Our defense is already rock solid. Midfield inexprience but with the right people. Forward line is the last of concern.

 

[Radical Roo]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

As opposed to the path you guys took, losing every

single

week

for 2 years straight.

I'm pretty much over Melbourne supporters lecturing on how development is supposed to be done. At least the vast majority who omit the crucial 'tank for picks' phase.

Your team looks better that it really is. Ur defense will really get exposed once Fletcher is retired; Pears and Hookers might be half decent but only because the opposition are fletcher conscious.

You only have Watson as the standout ball getter, we have Swallow, Ziebell and Cunnington who will all become top class ball getter in their own right. Plus Adams in support.

As to forwards, it is largely dependent upon the midfield. As to individual talent, Thomas will become one of the better goal sneaks. Edwards and Warren are solid med forwards. It is still to be seen how far will O'Keefe develop. We are only missing a really power forward (e.g. Petrie).

 

[Spurk]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

As to talent, we certainly dont have anyone like Franklin, Riewolt or Pavlich. But the goal by the end of the year is to get people like Edward, Warren, Thomas, O'Keefe comfortable in their positions. Our defense is already rock solid. Midfield inexprience but with the right people. Forward line is the last of concern.

All of those players are limited at best and wouldn't play in many other sides.

Thomas will become one of the better goal sneaks. Edwards and Warren are solid med forwards. It is still to be seen how far will O'Keefe develop. We are only missing a really power forward (e.g. Petrie).

Pass that bong man.

 

[stainedclass]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

So what we are young, what do you expect? We've beaten other teams with similar experience, and are giving the youngsters a larger role. Only [onfield] issue at this moment is our forwardline.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

As opposed to the path you guys took, losing every

single

week

for 2 years straight.

I'm pretty much over Melbourne supporters lecturing on how development is supposed to be done. At least the vast majority who omit the crucial 'tank for picks' phase.

haha thats a terrible post!!! did i even say that melbourne had done that??? in fact did i talk about melbourne at all in my post??? you saw melbourne under my name and decided to have a go....

good on you

 

[HARKER]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Nothing wrong with the Roos any more than any other young team putting the pieces together.

Scott is a boon for the Shinboners and it will be sooner than later we see some of him coming to the fore.

Small steps will get you there

 

[Cool Kangas]

Re: So... what's wrong at Arden Street?

Since when has a new coach come in and immediately improved the team? Very rarely happens as game plans have to be implemented and refined, players have to be tested in the heat of battle etc etc.

North's lack of facilities and development staff would have played a major part in some players like Wells not progressing as hoped, this is meant to be fixed but I don't know.

Playing 3 big blokes? I suspect he is finding out who can play with the intention to trade one at the end of the year. In fact Scott will probably make a lot of changes at year end as he will have had a year to assess the list and work out what he needs and does not.

Last year Freo were a rabble, this year they are exciting and sit second on the ladder. The wheel that is AFL footy turns quickly, its fun to kick sides when they are down but to say a team is a rabble with no improvement is naive.

Thanks for the post - nice to see not everyone's got it in for us.