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Who is the best ffoty coach goin around? by that, they have to be coaching NOW.
Sheedy for me. Then Parkin, Pagan.
Sheedy for me. Then Parkin, Pagan.
Strictly speaking, David Parkin isn't coaching any more.
Denis Pagan would be my pick as the best going around. He can't be faulted - the modern day Tommy Hafey.
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Denis Pagan would be my pick as the best going around. He can't be faulted - the modern day Tommy Hafey.
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Tough call, but id go with Eade. Given any list in the league, i reckon he could make them competitive. Wallace and Pagan the same.
Sheedy, its like the Jeans thing, that side is so good anyone can coach it to success.
Sheedy, its like the Jeans thing, that side is so good anyone can coach it to success.
Grendel,
You are right about Essendon being so good that they can coach themselves.
However, someone had to coach them to be that good!
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You are right about Essendon being so good that they can coach themselves.
However, someone had to coach them to be that good!
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THOMPCAT would be the best coach.With the list he had he worked a miracle getting geelong into the finals.
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1)sheeds
2)Blighty **
3)Parkin
**drop to 3rd if MM is eligible
2)Blighty **
3)Parkin
**drop to 3rd if MM is eligible
I think Pagan and Matthews are the best coaches along with Sheedy (although every coach would have been able to coach Essendon to a flag this year) Hopefully Neale Daniher will be up amongst these names in a few years time.
bomber thompson is the best coach outside the top 3
to get that team to the finals shows amazing ability in the coaches box
to get that team to the finals shows amazing ability in the coaches box
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My top five of CURRENT coaches
Denis Pagan
Kevin Sheedy
Malcolm Blight
Leigh Matthews
Michael Malthouse
an honourable mention must also go to the 'Class of Hawthorn' - all these guys are terrific coaches, I rate them very highly but my top five already have the runs on the board
Peter Schwab
Terry Wallace
Rodney Eade
we could also include Bomber Thompson in that list, he's just as good a coach but doesn't have the Hawthorn heritage.
Ken Judge remains an enigma, I can't really decide whether he is a good coach or not.
Denis Pagan
Kevin Sheedy
Malcolm Blight
Leigh Matthews
Michael Malthouse
an honourable mention must also go to the 'Class of Hawthorn' - all these guys are terrific coaches, I rate them very highly but my top five already have the runs on the board
Peter Schwab
Terry Wallace
Rodney Eade
we could also include Bomber Thompson in that list, he's just as good a coach but doesn't have the Hawthorn heritage.
Ken Judge remains an enigma, I can't really decide whether he is a good coach or not.
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I can't see the difference between Ayres and Thompson.
Geelong, under both coaches, started like a house on fire before reality caught up and they started to slide.
The only difference was that the Hawks (1999) beat the Cats by 2 points whereas the Cats (2000) beat the swans by a similar amount.
Such are the vagaries of AFL.
BEST
1. Pagan - record speaks volumes
2. Wallace - how do that team keep getting up there?
3. Parkin - might be gone... but we kept saying the same thing about the blues.
WORST
1. Williams - poor man. Power need a Vic bred coach.
2. Schwab - to early to tell, but only barely did enough to justify the talent on the list. Must improve skills and synchronise midfield drive with defensive running.
3. Thompson - Saw no real difference in Geelong this year.
Toss a blanket over the rest, they're all similar.
Geelong, under both coaches, started like a house on fire before reality caught up and they started to slide.
The only difference was that the Hawks (1999) beat the Cats by 2 points whereas the Cats (2000) beat the swans by a similar amount.
Such are the vagaries of AFL.
BEST
1. Pagan - record speaks volumes
2. Wallace - how do that team keep getting up there?
3. Parkin - might be gone... but we kept saying the same thing about the blues.
WORST
1. Williams - poor man. Power need a Vic bred coach.
2. Schwab - to early to tell, but only barely did enough to justify the talent on the list. Must improve skills and synchronise midfield drive with defensive running.
3. Thompson - Saw no real difference in Geelong this year.
Toss a blanket over the rest, they're all similar.
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1- Malthouse (Great Football Mind And Can Tell Them Media And Afl Where To Go)
2- Bligth
3- Sheedy (Dont Rank Him To Highly Coz His Just Gotta Good List At The Moment)
4- Wallace
5- Pagan
Worst Are
1- Judge
2- Willams
3- Ayres
2- Bligth
3- Sheedy (Dont Rank Him To Highly Coz His Just Gotta Good List At The Moment)
4- Wallace
5- Pagan
Worst Are
1- Judge
2- Willams
3- Ayres
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Why do people persist in thinking that Sheedy is "only" good because he has a top list to work with. The guy has been coaching for 20 years nad has a 65% win rate. Yes, that is 65% over 20 years. This is up there with the greatest of all time. He's not just a one-year wonder.
Jock McHale, Dick Reynolds and now Denis Pagan all have/had 65% wins rates (approx). Over a long period of time, you can't do much better than that.
Pagan is beter than Sheedy at developing a game plan and sticking to it rigidly. But Sheedy is better at building a team, and keeping it competitive year in year out. In 20 years only TWO seasons have we lost more than we won (1987 and 1997). Sheedy is a master at QUICKLY building a team, when great players retire, and immediatley having an impact with that team. He is great at developing his own players and not using discards.
The ability of a coach to stay at the top for so long shows his quality. The ability to continually develop a team, despite the obvious changes in personnel over 20 years is also remarkable. Sheedy is a legend, and his great playing list in 2000 should not detract from him. I'm mean, he went 24-1, what else does he have to do !
Having said all that, Pagan is the best coach in the AFL, but Sheedy is a legend. A true legend.
Jock McHale, Dick Reynolds and now Denis Pagan all have/had 65% wins rates (approx). Over a long period of time, you can't do much better than that.
Pagan is beter than Sheedy at developing a game plan and sticking to it rigidly. But Sheedy is better at building a team, and keeping it competitive year in year out. In 20 years only TWO seasons have we lost more than we won (1987 and 1997). Sheedy is a master at QUICKLY building a team, when great players retire, and immediatley having an impact with that team. He is great at developing his own players and not using discards.
The ability of a coach to stay at the top for so long shows his quality. The ability to continually develop a team, despite the obvious changes in personnel over 20 years is also remarkable. Sheedy is a legend, and his great playing list in 2000 should not detract from him. I'm mean, he went 24-1, what else does he have to do !
Having said all that, Pagan is the best coach in the AFL, but Sheedy is a legend. A true legend.
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Bluey,
Sheedy is a legend. Can we have a new smiley dedicated to him?
Sheedy is a legend. Can we have a new smiley dedicated to him?
Denis Pagan definitely - no doubt he played a huge part in saving the North Melbourne Footy Club.
Sheedy and Parkin - absolute legends of the game.
Malcolm Blight - pure genius.
I think Bomber Thomson has done a terrific job with Geelong this year likewise Peter Schwab.
The challenge I believe for Neale Daniher is to stop Melbourne's roller-coaster years.
Sheedy and Parkin - absolute legends of the game.
Malcolm Blight - pure genius.
I think Bomber Thomson has done a terrific job with Geelong this year likewise Peter Schwab.
The challenge I believe for Neale Daniher is to stop Melbourne's roller-coaster years.
All replies on this topic - mine included - are referring to the coaches as indviduals, whereas the reality now is that they are teams of their own.
In this regard, the Carlton coaching team of last season has probably the a new high water mark in terms of innovative coaching structures. The model used by Carlton was more in line with a corporate management structure than traditional coaching. This model saw significant amounts of responsibility shift towards the deputies which were previously just the coaches domain.
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In this regard, the Carlton coaching team of last season has probably the a new high water mark in terms of innovative coaching structures. The model used by Carlton was more in line with a corporate management structure than traditional coaching. This model saw significant amounts of responsibility shift towards the deputies which were previously just the coaches domain.
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Hawkforce, what the hell has Scwabby done to upset you?
Best result for the club in six seasons, win a final for the first time in nine. Fought it out to make the finals after a horror draw.
To call him one of the three worst coaches in the league after one season is flat out wrong.
Im not saying hes the best, but i reckon hes done okay so far and im confident that with the application he showed during his playing days, he will make an excellent coach in the not to distant future.
Best result for the club in six seasons, win a final for the first time in nine. Fought it out to make the finals after a horror draw.
To call him one of the three worst coaches in the league after one season is flat out wrong.
Im not saying hes the best, but i reckon hes done okay so far and im confident that with the application he showed during his playing days, he will make an excellent coach in the not to distant future.
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Don't get me wrong, Grendel, I have nothing but the highest regard for Peter Schwab, as a Hawthorn man, a person, and a coach.
It is very difficult to judge first year coaches as it takes time for game plans etc to be instituted.
Putting Schwab and Thompson where I did is an indication of that, but also the fact that I don't think either side showed that much improvement over their previous years.
Geelong were a carbon copy of the previous year. Hawthorn again had to win a string of wins at the death and still were not safe.
In a season where there was very little qualaity opposition below the top 4 I felt Hawthorn should have been safe.
Also on Schwab, he loses points for (self-admitted) mistakes like taking Harford off against the Tiges. I like Schwabs reasoning with his rotation, and I think it will come off evntually, but there is no doubt our midfield was our achilles this year when previously it had been a strength.
I feel sorry for Conan. Coaching a basket case club like Geelong. Takes them to the 95 GF, (I thought they would finish bottom 8 that year, too JubJub) Stitched by the finals system in 97 with a team that could have won the GF. And Thompson as I said ran a carbon copy of Ayres's 99 Geelong side.
Now he'll be sacked if Adelaide have a poor start.
It is very difficult to judge first year coaches as it takes time for game plans etc to be instituted.
Putting Schwab and Thompson where I did is an indication of that, but also the fact that I don't think either side showed that much improvement over their previous years.
Geelong were a carbon copy of the previous year. Hawthorn again had to win a string of wins at the death and still were not safe.
In a season where there was very little qualaity opposition below the top 4 I felt Hawthorn should have been safe.
Also on Schwab, he loses points for (self-admitted) mistakes like taking Harford off against the Tiges. I like Schwabs reasoning with his rotation, and I think it will come off evntually, but there is no doubt our midfield was our achilles this year when previously it had been a strength.
I feel sorry for Conan. Coaching a basket case club like Geelong. Takes them to the 95 GF, (I thought they would finish bottom 8 that year, too JubJub) Stitched by the finals system in 97 with a team that could have won the GF. And Thompson as I said ran a carbon copy of Ayres's 99 Geelong side.
Now he'll be sacked if Adelaide have a poor start.
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Seems that most agree that the older coaches are the best. But who are going to be the best coaches around in ten years time.
Wayne Brittain looks good but who else do we have that has shown they have got what it takes?
Wayne Brittain looks good but who else do we have that has shown they have got what it takes?
Frodo,
I would suggest that Danny Frawley showed he has what it takes despite some very trying times wrt injury.
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I would suggest that Danny Frawley showed he has what it takes despite some very trying times wrt injury.
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Pagan - the paddock and all that is based around .... Carey. Record without Carey is average. Take Carey out, start thinking again.
Coaches who can rally teams with limited resources , using strategy and motivation.
You'd have to say Wallace - didn't see Pagan beat Essendon last season. Saw Wallace coach his team to a victory there. He had the plan and his players believed in it. Therefore better coach.
Strategy - Definately Eade. He's highly respected amongst other coaches ( see Sheedy's comments during the finals last year ) - see The Flood.
Motivation - N. Daniher. Got the team up from down in a few seasons.
Carlton's and Essendon's coaching panel concepts. If you have the resources, have a number of top line coaches together ( like Gridiron ).
Coaches who can rally teams with limited resources , using strategy and motivation.
You'd have to say Wallace - didn't see Pagan beat Essendon last season. Saw Wallace coach his team to a victory there. He had the plan and his players believed in it. Therefore better coach.
Strategy - Definately Eade. He's highly respected amongst other coaches ( see Sheedy's comments during the finals last year ) - see The Flood.
Motivation - N. Daniher. Got the team up from down in a few seasons.
Carlton's and Essendon's coaching panel concepts. If you have the resources, have a number of top line coaches together ( like Gridiron ).
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