Dont ask me, I've not said get rid of all 'VFL' clubs in the AFL & start again. Its not going to happen anyway.Well if he wants all "vfl" clubs gone why is Sydney exempt?
I've sometimes tried to guess the breakdown of footy supporters in South Australia (if the ones who don't support football are discounted). I'd say that about 5-15% support non-SA clubs. Hawthorn, Carlton and Collingwood seem to be the most popular. If those supporters are discounted too, I think it's around about Crows 60-65%, Power 35-40%. Probably more towards 60:40 these days to be honest.It ain't 50/50, but it ain't the oft quoted 70/30 either.
They can't be 'sent back to the VFL'. The VFL (as it was) is now the AFL. What is now called the VFL used to be the VFA, and just because they use the old name doesn't make them the old comp. (yes the clubs did come from the VFA, that was ~100 years ago so doesn't really count).Dont ask me, I've not said get rid of all 'VFL' clubs in the AFL & start again. Its not going to happen anyway.
When It comes to an argument about the total number of clubs playing out of Melbourne, one could say their are too many. Perhaps at least that some of them have been very poorly performed for decades despite massive AFL support for them & the equalising factor of the salary cap & the Draft system. Those clubs could be held to account, & perhaps sent back to the VFL.
Maybe its not just a lack of player talent, maybe also a lack of good footy club Presidents & quality board members & managers in Melbourne for the shear number of clubs?
As a non Croweater i always understood that the Adelaide/Port split was around 70/30 or even worse for Port.I've sometimes tried to guess the breakdown of footy supporters in South Australia (if the ones who don't support football are discounted). I'd say that about 5-15% support non-SA clubs. Hawthorn, Carlton and Collingwood seem to be the most popular. If those supporters are discounted too, I think it's around about Crows 60-65%, Power 35-40%. Probably more towards 60:40 these days to be honest.
Nah, in reality it is getting somewhat even (especially when Port Adelaide are playing well). The youngsters in particular are attracted more to the Power, when parents let them choose either. Port are more trendy at the moment, and I blame our onfield performance and off-field marketing.As a non Croweater i always understood that the Adelaide/Port split was around 70/30 or even worse for Port.
At a guess in WA (around where i live ) it would be 75/25 to the Eagles, however i live North of the River.
New theories about what?How was your lunch? Did you think up any new theories along the way?
See below.Would the profits have much chance of increasing to a level to pay off the 2.7million significantly? How were the profits derived? Sale of assets at higher than book value? Would they have had sufficient cash flow to compete with the bigger clubs?
Michael Brennan passed away a few years ago in 2004.I knew you would throw this one into the ring. Wasn't Michael Brennan the administrator? What's his view?
The same Greg Swann who worked as an accountant for Ernst and Young in 1996 and was brought in by the administrator to look at Fitzroy's finances. The same Greg Swann that oversaw Collingwood's financial improvement.Is this the same Greg Swann who is now looking down the barrel of a $8million+ debt (not of his fault) at Brisbane and couldn't get Carlton out of mediocrity after getting Judd?
Nauru first lent money to Fitzroy in October 1994. That loan was $1.2 million for seven years and was to paid back by 2001. Unhedged. Australian interest rates.Borrowing money from Nauru. Was this an unhedged loan or a hedged loan? Were the interest rates subject to changes in interest rates on Nauru or Australia? Were some of the profits caused by the change in exchange rates?
Well let’s take a look at each of these in turn. Princes Park is below.Playing games at Princes Park (twice).
Fitzroy left Brunswick Street Oval because the ground facilities became unfit for VFL football and it had no power to fix said facilities.Not upgrading Brunswick Oval (not thinking long term).
This has already been explained already, but I’ll do it again. The reason for the move to the Western Oval, was because Fitzroy wasn’t making any money out of Princes Park, leading to significant overall losses.Moving to Western Oval.
This was rather innovative actually.Playing games in Tasmania.
See the info above on the move from Brunswick Street Oval.Allowing membership to grow old without the following generation.
Footscray would also be gone if not for AFL support – especially the tidy sum of $8.4 million extra gifted to the Bulldogs between 2002-2009. Peter Smorgon has admitted as such as far back as 2001 and again in 2006.How is it Richmond and Footscray, who went to supporters for donations able to get out of trouble but your lot couldn't. Given Richmond is inner city like Collingwood and Carlton.
Dyson Hore-Lacy has told me that personally on at least two occasions. Not only were the AFL leaking Fitzroy’s financial details to the press (hello Mike Sheahan), who would then write a negative story about Fitzroy, the AFL were also showing Fitzroy’s finances to prospective sponsors and telling them that sponsoring Fitzroy wasn’t worth their while. The AFL certainly didn’t want a “White Knight” in the mold of Bernie Ahern, coming along and ruining their ‘five year plan’. Over fifty of Australia’s largest companies were approached by Fitzroy in 1995 and 1996 for sponsorship, but none agreed.You have proof the AFL commission told sponsors not to support Fitzroy? How do you know these organisations didn't come to that conclusion on their own using their own projection models?
As I’ve already said, playing 4-7 home games in Canberra, Fitzroy's projections were they could have made $1 million extra per season. Fitzroy's application to play home games in Canberra had the support of 'AFL for Canberra' organisation, the Canberra Raiders, the Ainslee Football Club and the ACT chief minister who had offered for the ACT government to upgrade Bruce Stadium as the home-ground of Fitzroy and the Raiders. Located adjacent to the AIS, it would have had further benefits for Fitzroy’s players. Bruce Stadium also had a capacity of 25,000 compared to Manuka’s 15,000.Canberra. My recollection is that Fitzroy planned to play in the rugby dominated suburb of Bruce (the stadium is a narrow cake tin), next to the AIS. Home of the Brumbies and Raiders. Having lived in Canberra, the northern suburbs are dominated by the rugby codes and they would have benefited from playing out at Manuka on the south side.
Bollocks.Well they gave money in 1996 so that you could get through the season.
Not out of the goodness of their hearts. They wanted a club out of Melbourne. Footscray were told to agree or face immediate withdrawal of their licence. Fitzroy were approached as a possible merger partner and given the favourable terms they agreed.Supported the Footscray merger.
That’s nice. Away you go then.I grow tired. I have other threads that are more interesting to spend another 10 minutes on.
There isnt proof. Gold Coast recieved 2 million more than the Western Bulldogs, and are decreasing every year. GWS took almost 8 million more than the Western Bulldogs. The Western Bulldogs are the clubhouse leader for AFL distributions amongst every other club.
Proof or GTFO
Yes there is, the AFL have stuffed it up by introducing 2 more teams that wont be able to frinancially support themselves, when you got teams in Victoria that are struggling here comes the AFL with the bright idea to install 2 more, , without Buddy Franklin in Sydney even the Swans were struggling. , Port Adelaide are struggling . Geelong arent to good either. the AFL have a lot to answer for. , even st.kilda are struggling , the BrisbANE Lions are how Much in debt? all due to the fact that the Gold Coast Suns are now there thats hurt the LionsUm no.
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I repeat. NoYes there is, the AFL have stuffed it up by introducing 2 more teams that wont be able to frinancially support themselves, when you got teams in Victoria that are struggling here comes the AFL with the bright idea to install 2 more, , without Buddy Franklin in Sydney even the Swans were struggling. , Port Adelaide are struggling . Geelong arent to good either. the AFL have a lot to answer for. , even st.kilda are struggling