Analysis The D Word

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I'm going to regret dropping the Soap(y), but here goes...

Cripps - absolute superstar
Kennedy - never had a clear run
SPS - very promising, needs time
Dow - very promising, needs time
Setterfield - very promising, needs time
Walsh - elite prospect, needs time
Stocker - solid prospect, needs time
O'Brien - still finding his feet
Murphy - star mid
Lang - jury is out
Fisher - very promising, on the verge
Cuningham - jury is out
Curnow - V strong defensive mid
Polson - shown little at afl level, has time
Gibbons - unproven at afl level
Cottrell - unproven even at junior level

You've listed a lot of names that can play midfield. But there aren't many I trust to win or beat their opponents most weeks; Cripps, Murphy, Curnow. And Murph is battling father time. Fisher might join them this year.

The rest are kids and will have below-average output for at least a couple of years.

So we have depth of talent, but won't have depth of output for a couple more years yet.
And then Bang!!!!! Watch out AFL.
 

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When our young talent hits its straps, our premiership trophy cabinet is going to need more 'depth'....
Depth is the last thing it’ll need; no point in putting cups in front of the existing ones. More width or height is what we’ll want...


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Aphrodite can we have a d-word only no discussion thread? I keep coming in here thinking something breaking has happened with our d-words, but it's just more chatter. A thread to keep the serious d-licious updates in would be grand...

No :D
 

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Aphrodite can we have a d-word only no discussion thread? I keep coming in here thinking something breaking has happened with our d-words, but it's just more chatter. A thread to keep the serious d-licious updates in would be grand...
I vote to turn this thread into a no-discussion thread ;)
 

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I'm going to regret dropping the Soap(y), but here goes...

Cripps - absolute superstar
Kennedy - never had a clear run
SPS - very promising, needs time
Dow - very promising, needs time
Setterfield - very promising, needs time
Walsh - elite prospect, needs time
Stocker - solid prospect, needs time
O'Brien - still finding his feet
Murphy - star mid
Lang - jury is out
Fisher - very promising, on the verge
Cuningham - jury is out
Curnow - V strong defensive mid
Polson - shown little at afl level, has time
Gibbons - unproven at afl level
Cottrell - unproven even at junior level

You've listed a lot of names that can play midfield. But there aren't many I trust to win or beat their opponents most weeks; Cripps, Murphy, Curnow. And Murph is battling father time. Fisher might join them this year.

The rest are kids and will have below-average output for at least a couple of years.

So we have depth of talent, but won't have depth of output for a couple more years yet.
Borrowing your list for my views.
Cripps - may not stand out as much in the future. Once he learns to lean on his mates a bit and be extractor first, the team will benefit more
Kennedy - not going to be that dashing look at me type, but not beyond possible to reach a similar level to his Swans namesake
SPS - been a little disappointing, with teasing highlights. Fitness the key, if his preseason remains on track watch for a breakout year.
Dow - some spectacular glimpses in his debut year. Line breaker, also prepared to do the tough stuff. Already strong core. Gun in waiting
Setterfield - Rating off the charts pre draft, and hasn't lost the gloss with good judges. At worst top quality mid, at best superstar.
Walsh - Very impressed with poise off HB underage year. Took a while to warm to as high possession mid, but just kept rising. Potential superstar
Stocker - The diamond in the rough. Dual sided, bullish, but with a dash of pace and class. Ceiling a bit unclear, but certainly not placing lid on.
O'Brien - While not spruiked as much as some, Kellyesque is not necessarily an overstatement, tough enough to go inside, but elite outside puzzle piece
Murphy - Pressure will be off regards doing the inside grunt. 2-3 more years of quality leadership, link and distribution is the hope.
Lang - Has the skills. Has to find consistent intensity as the contest. We may be a little harsh, but the kids will quickly go past if he doesn't want it enough
Fisher - Where is the ceiling? Going to be a very valuable player, another where the ceiling is not clear. Does he belie his size to become an elite of the game
Cuningham - Yeah, let's wait and see. Projects well, is it focus or simply body issues holding him back?
Curnow - Pillar of the team. Often suffers through doing too much to cover the cracks of less defensively focussed mates.
Polson - Shown enough to persevere, will he hold a spot after some list additions? Disposal iffy despite seeming elite pre draft. Not writing off by any means
Gibbons - not signed yet, not is discussion
Cottrell - not signed yet, not in discussion
JSOS, Williamson, Owies and maybe Garlett and Pickett as outside options need some consideration when assessing midfield prospects.

It is not unreasonable to suggest we will have between four and eight "ELITE" midfielders in the very near future. Media, other club supporters
and many of our own prefer not to think so. Could easily be an UNPRECEDENTED (DEEP) midfield
 

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I'm going to regret dropping the Soap(y), but here goes...

Cripps - absolute superstar
Kennedy - never had a clear run
SPS - very promising, needs time
Dow - very promising, needs time
Setterfield - very promising, needs time
Walsh - elite prospect, needs time
Stocker - solid prospect, needs time
O'Brien - still finding his feet
Murphy - star mid
Lang - jury is out
Fisher - very promising, on the verge
Cuningham - jury is out
Curnow - V strong defensive mid
Polson - shown little at afl level, has time
Gibbons - unproven at afl level
Cottrell - unproven even at junior level

You've listed a lot of names that can play midfield. But there aren't many I trust to win or beat their opponents most weeks; Cripps, Murphy, Curnow. And Murph is battling father time. Fisher might join them this year.

The rest are kids and will have below-average output for at least a couple of years.

So we have depth of talent, but won't have depth of output for a couple more years yet.
Fair assessments. I see depth for us at this stage of the rebuild as having options and some quality.

This group has genuine potential and I am already convinced about Cripps Kennedy SPS Dow Setterfield O'Brien Murphy Walsh Curnow & Fisher so even then it's good depth wise
 

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My view. Starting mids 2019:

Cripps - Elite star. Will be even more damaging with quality support
Kennedy - inside bull who's skills and smarts are underrated.
SPS - Fitter than ever. Focussed and looks awesome. 2019 is his breakout to star status. Silk
Dow - Inside/Outside and can do it all. Good skills and some speed. Will step up quickly
Walsh - Steps straight in. Has it all including mental toughness. Does everything right
O'Brien - Elite runner with deadly left foot. Link runner who can break zones and kick goals.
Murphy - Still can play top shelf football. Will thrive on wing/fwd and be a match winner. Super focussed
Fisher - Finds it inside and outside and distributes. Quick and takes game on. Very good player
Curnow - Underrated. Played last year in pain. Can shutdown or find a lot of ball. Won't stop trying and does the team things so well.

Others:

Setterfield - All about getting fit and ready. Can do it all. Big body but great skills especially below knees. If gets a run at it will show he was a steal and better than Shiel. If fit will be in top group
Stocker - Bull with good skills each side of body. Needs to build endurance but has poise and want for contest.
Cuningham - Has the talent. Training well. Just needs a good run and to believe in himself. HB/HF option as well

Lang - Played some good football but looked hesitant in 2018. Could be a good player but needs to work harder
Polson - Smart player with good skills. Learning small forward so won't get much midfield time. If in the reserves I hope he does.
Pickett - The real X factor. If he can switch on and get AFL fit could be anything. On a wing with his pace, skills and strong core could be a star. Here's hoping

If we get Gibbons he will be more than handy and won't let anyone down

Looks like Depth to me :)
 

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The discussion is about depth. We are moving from the shallow end towards the deep end by steadily raising the level of the bottom end players. It doesnt always mean the best players improve at the same time.
The potential performance of the team is not so much the point here as the ability to cover losses in personnel week to week.
I think and hope we will be more even next season and thats a very big positive. But realistically as many have said its still a year or two away to really see this group start to shine consistently.
 

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The discussion is about depth. We are moving from the shallow end towards the deep end by steadily raising the level of the bottom end players. It doesnt always mean the best players improve at the same time.
The potential performance of the team is not so much the point here as the ability to cover losses in personnel week to week.
I think and hope we will be more even next season and thats a very big positive. But realistically as many have said its still a year or two away to really see this group start to shine consistently.
Are we talking 5 feet at Oak Park baths or 10 feet at Pascoe Vale baths?
 
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