The Denis Pagan Era and its legacy

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SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

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For me it has. He spoke so much sh*t one day it was torture to put up with him knowing there was zero hope of any real development whilst he was there.
He was excellent with the under 19's players he developed and then had as senior players at North. It is like that group of players , coach and specific game plan was perfect for each other.
Still he blew the 98 grand final and should have won at least 3 premierships with that group of players. But 2 premierships is still success so he still had success as a coach in one era but beyond that he did not do anything special so he reputation was ruined in terms of being flexible coach that can coach well with any group.
That is true - but as I've shown above, that era didn't stop there, given the links of contemporary successful coaches to him.
 

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This is exactly what I mean about the Carlton shitshow damaging his reputation.

He's a two time premiership coach and as demonstrated above, has been a constant in the flags of the last decade.
Wanst much bait on the hook but still landed him.... 🎣 🎣

I was just having a laugh at people who make sh*t like this up. 'so much of other premiership teams success can be attributed to Denis Pagan....blah blah blah'

Why is it linked to denis pagan? May as well go back and see who coached him or influenced him. Its just a thread to say 'how good was my coach'
 

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That is true - but as I've shown above, that era didn't stop there, given the links of contemporary successful coaches to him.
Yes, Adam Simpson is a ripper, but having meet Adam myself, I actually see Simpson whilst influenced by that period under Pagan, is really his own man in way he coaches.
I think Simpson has way more depth to him than Pagan and could coach different sets of players well. Pagan did not sadly.
 

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Yes, Adam Simpson is a ripper, but having meet Adam myself, I actually see Simpson whilst influenced by that period under Pagan, is really his own man in way he coaches.
I think Simpson has way more depth to him than Pagan and could coach different sets of players well. Pagan did not sadly.
Men of their time agreed. The rubber chicken thing was a hangover from the Pagan era, and poor old Adam Simpson, who was clearly not keen on it, was sent out to explain it, which sucked.

But then, you don't ring your old coach the morning of the Grand Final for advice if you don't think he's still not in touch at some level.
 

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Concluding with five losing seasons hammers a legacy
It's a shame that the way he ended probably tarnishes his legacy in the eyes of many. I daresay this was probably put to him on Open Mike in between the questions about dealing with Carey rooting the captain's wife and how much he was on. It's hard to imagine him giving much of a rat's about it though.
 

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It's a shame that the way he ended probably tarnishes his legacy in the eyes of many. I daresay this was probably put to him on Open Mike in between the questions about dealing with Carey rooting the captain's wife and how much he was on. It's hard to imagine him giving much of a rat's about it though.
Yeah, ruins it.

Sheeds work at GWS enhances his legacy imo, although he would have struggled to get a win too.

Pagan pissed all over himself.
 

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Yeah, ruins it.

Pagan pissed all over himself.
Can't agree with that.

And the only reason Sheedy's legacy was enhanced by gws was because it was a start up. If he'd gone to Carlton, shudder, and had the same results as Pagan his legacy would still have taken a hit despite being more successful than Pagan to begin with.
 

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Can't agree with that.

And the only reason Sheedy's legacy was enhanced by gws was because it was a start up. If he'd gone to Carlton, shudder, and had the same results as Pagan his legacy would still have taken a hit despite being more successful than Pagan to begin with.
Sheedy was smart enough not to risk that though.
 

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