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i was cooking outside on the bbq and walked in. 360 was on and they had a close up of him. first thing i said "shit poor kid looks a broken man".

if he's suing bombers he couldn't possibly be there next year. could he?
Strange scenario, in the standard workforce it would be impossible to stay but when you have sporting talent required to lead a team it is a different story. The other consideration is he isn't suing anyone directly from the coaching staff. So no broken relationships there, so to speak.

Interesting times ahead.
 

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It's not about being a likeable guy though. While he does deserve to earn a living, it shouldn't be by having any involvement with the game. Certainly not by being installed and used as a puppet for AFL propaganda purposes. He's paraded about by the AFL industry and fapped over by sycophants and apologists; as much so the AFL can thumb it's nose at the ASADA and WADA peoples, as to be a smoke and mirrors 'damage limitation' device when considering the perceived and actual reputation damage to his career.

I'm certainly happy that he's made the decision to take on Essendon the way hes going to, but I can't help but think he's damaged his case a little by taking this AFL 360 job at present. On the one hand ( and actual playing side of things aside), he's saying his reputation is damaged. Yet at the very same time he's getting superstar billing and a paid gig on the tv. For my money, he shoots himself and his case in the foot more than a little there. If he was so reviled, he would be a pariah and certainly would be able to argue that line. :thumbsu:
But dude, just go and get a day job, a real job, study, become a volunteer, do something useful with your life and think about what a shitbag you and your 33 mates were. Not bludge off some arselicking tv show, then go the full frontal doubledip by suing your club. Admittedly, they stuffed your life over. Scumbags that they are, and scumbags worthy of being sued out of existence, its just something .... something ... something about having your cake and eating it too. (Sorry, I thought we were over the cake walk talk, but it did seem apt!)

Obviously, these guys are getting looked after, and their arses kissed by the media every step of the way so as to limit the perceived damage to their 'reputation' & off field earnings. Sorry Hep, but you've been stooged again. You didn't think you got this gig on some sort of merit? It's just a payoff so the $1 mill your asking for gets knocked down to something more bearable.

Hep, I hope you take their money for what you did together, but I hope you get so bummed out by the process, you never make it back to the game.
Err... I think you missed the sarcasm in Gold Member's post.
 

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I think this was raised in another thread but if Heppell sued for 1m and got that, could it be part of an elaborate ploy with an agreement for the club to only pay him maybe $250,000 a year which would be in the salary cap, but the 1m wouldn't?
 

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I just realised The Hep is quite a likeable guy & he absolutely deserves to earn a living whilst suspended through appearing on 360...
Strange scenario, in the standard workforce it would be impossible to stay but when you have sporting talent required to lead a team it is a different story. The other consideration is he isn't suing anyone directly from the coaching staff. So no broken relationships there, so to speak.

Interesting times ahead.
Apparently Essendon are "prepared to deal with these compensation claims while the players continue to play for them"

OK. Yeah, sure, dude.
 

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Strange scenario, in the standard workforce it would be impossible to stay but when you have sporting talent required to lead a team it is a different story. The other consideration is he isn't suing anyone directly from the coaching staff. So no broken relationships there, so to speak.

Interesting times ahead.
I doubt he'd be suing any person directly, its the club thats being sued.
In other words, insurance would cover it.
 

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I think this was raised in another thread but if Heppell sued for 1m and got that, could it be part of an elaborate ploy with an agreement for the club to only pay him maybe $250,000 a year which would be in the salary cap, but the 1m wouldn't?
I doubt it. Surely the manager wouldn't get any of that $1m, and half the reason they get shopped around is the cut the manager gets from the new contract.
 

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I doubt he'd be suing any person directly, its the club thats being sued.
In other words, insurance would cover it.

You can't just sue Essendon, you have to sue everyone who may be responsible. That way, you are guaranteed that there is at least one party which will pay.

For example, if you sue Essendon only, and they are able to prove that they took all precautions but were misled by Dank and others, then they may successfully contest the claim and have it dismissed. But if you sue the club, plus Essendon, James Hird, Dean Robinson, the suppliers and everyone else, you will be guaranteed succeed against at least one of them.

Mind you, this will be settled out of court with lots of confidentiality clauses!
 

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You can't just sue Essendon, you have to sue everyone who may be responsible. That way, you are guaranteed that there is at least one party which will pay.

For example, if you sue Essendon only, and they are able to prove that they took all precautions but were misled by Dank and others, then they may successfully contest the claim and have it dismissed. But if you sue the club, plus Essendon, James Hird, Dean Robinson, the suppliers and everyone else, you will be guaranteed succeed against at least one of them.

Mind you, this will be settled out of court with lots of confidentiality clauses!
I'm sure they could sue Essendon as a club for the points in my post above.
The club has already been found guilty by WorkSafe, hasn't it, for not providing a duty of care ?
But I'm sure you're right & the lawyers would have everyone named.
Then they can all sue each other to decide who pays.
That would be GOLD. Watching them self implode even more :thumbsu:
Bring it on:D
 

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Err... I think you missed the sarcasm in Gold Member's post.

Sa .... Sar ...... Sar ...... Sarcasm ...... mmmmmm.......oh. o_O:eek::confused::oops::cry::drunk:

Hmmmmmm. So much egg on face. How embarrassment.

Quality rant though. Credit where it's due..
Ha!

Thanks for breaking it to me gently!:p

Still going to find a dark corner to hang my head in shame.
 

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So the money is why Jobe isn't handing back the Brownlow:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ld-be-the-biggest-by-far-20160415-go7ikn.html

"The Brownlow Medal won in 2012 by the then-club captain is worth anywhere between $500,000 in commercial opportunities to upward of $1 million annually, according to several well-placed insiders involved in the unfolding claim negotiations."

So when do the rightful winners sue for loss of earnings?
 

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So the money is why Jobe isn't handing back the Brownlow:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ld-be-the-biggest-by-far-20160415-go7ikn.html

"The Brownlow Medal won in 2012 by the then-club captain is worth anywhere between $500,000 in commercial opportunities to upward of $1 million annually, according to several well-placed insiders involved in the unfolding claim negotiations."

So when do the rightful winners sue for loss of earnings?
Don't see how he can sue for losing that Brownlow. He'd never have won it without the PEDs. Look at his career stats. The spike in his output is as clear as day and even the output within the 2012 season itself matches up perfectly with the reported dose schedule.
 
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I think it's wrong that any of these players can sue and make money out of being cheats. They knew what they were doing was against the Wada code.

It's bad enough them getting paid not to play this year but to sue for millions as well is a pretty good payday for being a cheat
 

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I think it's wrong that any of these players can sue and make money out of being cheats. They knew what they were doing was against the Wada code.

It's bad enough them getting paid not to play this year but to sue for millions as well is a pretty good payday for being a cheat
I'm no lawyer but the judge can attribute part or all of the blame on the player. No guarantee they will get anything although I think they will. Be funny if Essendon produce a bunch of evidence which says the players knew what they were taking.
 

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I'm no lawyer but the judge can attribute part or all of the blame on the player. No guarantee they will get anything although I think they will. Be funny if Essendon produce a bunch of evidence which says the players knew what they were taking.
Like signed consent forms, for example?
 

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Don't see how he can sue for losing that Brownlow. He'd never have won it without the PEDs. Look at his career stats. The spike in his output is as clear as day and even the output within the 2012 season itself matches up perfectly with the reported dose schedule.
No, but Cotch and Mitchell can sue Essendon/AFL, surely.

And every year that goes by since they were found guilty and haven't handed back the medal is worth about $1mill?
 

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No, but Cotch and Mitchell can sue Essendon/AFL, surely.

And every year that goes by since they were found guilty and haven't handed back the medal is worth about $1mill?
Then Mitch could play for $150k & we'd use the rest of his salary on JO'M & Hurley.

Stooopid essencum, ruining our 6-peat...
 
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