Roast The $$Dump$$ Thread

[Keys]

Don't talk about the draft or draftee's in the Contract and Trade Discussion thread gaiz. Take it to the Rioli Thread instead.


Or Keyser won't bring any butterscotch candy for the board this week.

Exactly

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Miguel may be a stubborn masturbator who will go all day but a troll he is not.

Fixed

 

[Dark Sharks]

Exactly

Ruined my joke ya kent.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Anyone else not really interested in the Brownlow this year? Personally i've kind of lost interest in general due to the whole midfield medal thing anyway and how terrible the umpires are at awarding votes. Tuned in for a bit, still haunting how shit we were for most of the season.

At least it marks the near end of that idiot Gil as the AFL boss.

 

[Bender_]

Anyone else not really interested in the Brownlow this year? Personally i've kind of lost interest in general due to the whole midfield medal thing anyway and how terrible the umpires are at awarding votes. Tuned in for a bit, still haunting how s**t we were for most of the season.

At least it marks the near end of that idiot Gil as the AFL boss.

I think my favourite Brownlow count (outside of Eagles winners) was when Chris Grant lost it despite having the most votes after clobbering someone and he cried like a toddler.

Suck shit Grant you **** head.

 

[boondy]

From my observation we went pear shaped in 2019 around the Rioli weed / sample drama .
The club didn't gel on the road with the covid . I would love to know all the details there . People getting let go within the club because the AFL said to .
The covid , the injuries, the ageing list . Rioli drama continued and still is ongoing . Once he is gone it will be a relief .
Anyway it was a crud 3 year period .
Please get the attitude / culture back . Reset . Start again and rebuild . Stop looking in the rear view mirror .
Stop with the "poor bugger me " attitude. Be positive from here .

 

[The wily weagle]

From my observation we went pear shaped in 2019 around the Rioli weed / sample drama .
The club didn't gel on the road with the covid . I would love to know all the details there . People getting let go within the club because the AFL said to .
The covid , the injuries, the ageing list . Rioli drama continued and still is ongoing . Once he is gone it will be a relief .
Anyway it was a crud 3 year period .
Please get the attitude / culture back . Reset . Start again and rebuild . Stop looking in the rear view mirror .
Stop with the "poor bugger me " attitude. Be positive from here .

I don't think our culture will change any time soon, at least not with Simpson and Nesbitt at the helm

Friends, Family, Flags. Its a motto that doesn't exactly scream ruthlessness. To me its an accurate statement of our general position: we are a nice guy club full of nice people and good citizens and as long as people are still paying for memberships and the money is rolling in nothing and nobody will change

We value job tenure and club stability over all things, and if you have been at the club for a while we will maintain the status quo for as long as we are able (again, provided the money is still rolling in)

Subsequently, for 2023 almost our entire list is staying the same, our coaches are staying the same, our medical team is staying the same, our strength and condition is staying the same and our board is staying the same. And you think Simpson is going to start playing our senior players in the WAFL next year in favor of our kids? Don't bet on it. It will be more of the same "credits in the bank", our senior players will get selection precedence no matter how they play and we will likely continue to play our kids out of position until which such time as our veterans elect to retire (we wont push them either, they will play for as long as they feel like)

The club needs a broom taken to it from bottom to top, but given all the same key characters are going to be remaining in the same positions in 2023, our culture wont be altering in 2023. Or the foreseeable future for that matter

 

[Farang83150]

From my observation we went pear shaped in 2019 around the Rioli weed / sample drama .
The club didn't gel on the road with the covid . I would love to know all the details there . People getting let go within the club because the AFL said to .
The covid , the injuries, the ageing list . Rioli drama continued and still is ongoing . Once he is gone it will be a relief .
Anyway it was a crud 3 year period .
Please get the attitude / culture back . Reset . Start again and rebuild . Stop looking in the rear view mirror .
Stop with the "poor bugger me " attitude. Be positive from here .

What was it Scofield said re Riolis FU being reported to the players at 8 the following morning, something like it sucked all the air out of the room or similar?
Yeah, fwd only from now on, fek the past, it all starts draft night!

 

[FKASC]

What’s the deal with this thread again?

 

[Godfather32]

What’s the deal with this thread again?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

1. Kelly requested a trade to WA, not a necessary trade IMO.
2. Two first rounders is not up for debate. It was.
3. Pointing at Cerra is whataboutism. The trade still stinks.

It certainly seemed from the outside that Kelly was not doing everything he could to help us get the deal done. He was very quiet. Didn't shut down the Freo option very emphatically and allowed Geelong to try and insert Freo and Bell as a second bidder into the process. Didn't want to forcefully tell Geelong he wanted out and thus encouraged Geelong to think that if the deal blew up he would happily stay in Geelong. Pretty good Plan B if the deal blew up as far as Geelong were concerned. If Geelong really believed he would go PSD if not traded and really believed that we would walk away rather than overpay then things would have been a lot different. Kelly's refusal to play ball would have given me second thoughts on trading for him if i was Darren Glass.

 

[squashface]

Dump thread all this trash plz

 

[shooshka]

I think if you took biased WCE and Geelong supporters opinions out of it the general consensus through the rest of the AFL is that we got bent over and overpaid for Kelly. Not that Kelly is not a decent player. But we overpaid. Everytime i have ever seen that deal mentioned in media articles since, especially from Victorian based media, the tone is bordering on gloating and laughing at us. I don't remember ever seeing one commentator or one article since that trade that has suggested that we won that trade or got the best of that deal. General consensus of unbiased observers is not split. It is unanimous that we overpaid. If we had been prepared to say No to Geelong's demands we might have gotten him cheaper or the whole deal might have collapsed. We will never know now.

We 'lost' the Judd trade according to the media as well.... until about 2013/2014 and then all of a sudden it was more even.... then around 2018 it was in our favour.

Funny how a side performing well makes a trade look better to the media.

Obviously JK was a star, and this isn't meant as a comparison between JK and TK, just pointing out that trades and the media representation of them is fluid depending on team performance (and 1 player has only a small impact, compared to other leagues like NBA).



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[boondy]

What’s the deal with this thread again?

Crap posts from any threads get sent here by mods . I just come here to post crap save them the trouble

 

[boondy]

I think if you took biased WCE and Geelong supporters opinions out of it the general consensus through the rest of the AFL is that we got bent over and overpaid for Kelly. Not that Kelly is not a decent player. But we overpaid. Everytime i have ever seen that deal mentioned in media articles since, especially from Victorian based media, the tone is bordering on gloating and laughing at us. I don't remember ever seeing one commentator or one article since that trade that has suggested that we won that trade or got the best of that deal. General consensus of unbiased observers is not split. It is unanimous that we overpaid. If we had been prepared to say No to Geelong's demands we might have gotten him cheaper or the whole deal might have collapsed. We will never know now.

Didn't it work out what Geelong got for Kelly they on traded to get Cameron .
So that's the comparison.
Kelly vs Cameron

Nothing like Judd vs Josh Kennedy

 

[Happy Mastenator]

There is a bit of the [PLAYERCARD]Des Headland[/PLAYERCARD] about [PLAYERCARD]Tim Kelly[/PLAYERCARD]. Looks a million dollars when you have gun inside mids who can farm him the ball, and he can pick and chose when to come inside himself.

Struggles a bit more when he's expected to be a full time mid and the number 1 mid in your team.

He's not on his lonesome there in that regard though, and probably more a reflection of our failings as a team, rather than him specifically.

 

[ziad]

Didn't it work out what Geelong got for Kelly they on traded to get Cameron .
So that's the comparison.
Kelly vs Cameron

Nothing like Judd vs Josh Kennedy

senriously - that illogical. Cameron wasnt going anywhere else.

 

[FKASC]

Crap posts from any threads get sent here by mods . I just come here to post crap save them the trouble

Mods must have me on ignore then

 

[Altum Volantes]

There is a bit of the Des Headland about Tim Kelly. Looks a million dollars when you have gun inside mids who can farm him the ball, and he can pick and chose when to come inside himself.

Struggles a bit more when he's expected to be a full time mid and the number 1 mid in your team.

He's not on his lonesome there in that regard though, and probably more a reflection of our failings as a team, rather than him specifically.

Pfft he’s never had the chance to play consistently with a strong Eagles midfield on account of Shuey and Yeo (basically our top 2 guys in the middle when we won the flag) struggling to get on the park. Throw in the struggles of Sheed this year, Andrew Gaff’s decline/struggles with injury this season and Kelly has been up against from Day 1 at the Eagles.

We didn’t bring him in to be the #1 guy - he was meant to be a bit of cream for a midfield that would have benefited from his skills.

Des Headland was never expected to carry the load at Freo - he just never recovered from PSS (Purple Saviour Syndrome).

 

[javaguice]

Us missing shuey and yeo for such long periods is the equivalent of Melbourne losing petracca and Oliver or Carlton losing Walsh and cripps

 

[boondy]

Well ultimately we should compare Cameron trade to Kelly . Geelong might get a premiership or more . Kelly premiership/s chances are slimmer . Time will tell. But to be fair to Kelly . Cameron wouldn't be getting a premiership with us if we used the Kelly picks to get him .

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Pfft he’s never had the chance to play consistently with a strong Eagles midfield on account of Shuey and Yeo (basically our top 2 guys in the middle when we won the flag) struggling to get on the park. Throw in the struggles of Sheed this year, Andrew Gaff’s decline/struggles with injury this season and Kelly has been up against from Day 1 at the Eagles.

We didn’t bring him in to be the #1 guy - he was meant to be a bit of cream for a midfield that would have benefited from his skills.

Des Headland was never expected to carry the load at Freo - he just never recovered from PSS (Purple Saviour Syndrome).

So you agree with my post.....

 

[Dark Sharks]

Imagine giving up 6000 first round draft picks for a "superstar" (it's hyperbole gaiz, don't @ me).... who then goes on to poll a whopping 3 Brownlow medal votes in 2022. Career low, in case yall are wondering


Always feels like Kelly is only going backwards at West Coast. The meme that keeps on giving for opposition supporters. I get we only won a cutla games and our team is absolute trash in every essence, but gee whiz, even crap teams can still have players that poll votes. Especially with the lack of talent around him. Is he supposed to be good or not? Seems there's always one excuse or another for him. Getting tagged and wilting completely probably does him zero favors. 16, 18, 19 disposal games, and last but not least..... the 4 disposal effort after being shut down completely by rookie nobody Windhager.


I don't think Kelly is actually even close to the top 20 mids of the competition. Saying "Oh but he's our best mid" is a total cop out, considering [PLAYERCARD]Jamie Mcnamara[/PLAYERCARD] could probably be our best mid at this point (providing he knows what end we're kicking at). If thicc boy Jye Bolton dropped the FIGJAM and left Claremont for West Coast in 2023 for one year, i think even he'd be close to being our best mid.



I appreciate the fact we took a punt and what we were "trying" to do, but it seems we reaaaaallly cocked up evaluating our list and flag window. If we managed to get him after the flag in 18 (Cheers Wells you POS) we might have been able to make that last flag push in 19, but after being held to his contract and the trade going through a year late, we've been nowhere near it unfortunately

Seems people like to cite what players those draft picks turned into like it's some sort of a defense for what we paid, yet that argument is bollocks IMO. Nobody can say who we'd have drafted, nor who else we could've targeted with those potential picks. Potentially Warner, potentially Robertson, who even knows. Daresay our list profile would look a lot better if we'd have just hit the draft.

We've played 1 final since Kelly joined the team, and we got punted out by the less fancied Collingwood at our own home ground (ironically the final of Kelly's 12 disposals from that game riled a few fans when he fed the ball to [PLAYERCARD]Tom Cole[/PLAYERCARD] in traffic to get his kick smothered). Wonder if Benny Cousins ever racked up a measly 12 touches in a final. Or Kerr. Cats obviously used those picks for Cameron in the end, and here we are. Offloaded an evidently replaceable 4th string mid, cashed in and bought a KPF. 102 goals in less than 2 seasons playing second fiddle to Tommakent.





Such is Fyfe.

 

[Farang83150]

Contract and Trade Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition.
Post length restrictions required for the above, some shits just to long, more than 2 paragraphs...blah blah, .

 

[The wily weagle]

Regarding Kelly, I have long wondered if we have a problem with recruit integration

For the longest time, almost every major recruit we have ever had has gone backwards before then have reached anywhere near their best again. The most common reason I have heard for this is "it take a while to adjust to our gameplan". Any yet, its seems to happen over and over again.
Is our game plan really that complicated? Or is it another issue? Are the coaches not making incoming players aware of their roles? Do we have a lot of cliques happening within the club that it takes a new recruit time to gel so they are given the ball?

The last recruit that I can think of that came to the club that was pretty much as good as advertised straight off the bat was Tyson Stengline