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"The only known fossils are a finger bone, three teeth and the long bone fragment from five different individuals excavated from a single cave in the Altai Mountains."

"They may not even be Neanderthals or Denisovans, said Michael Westaway, also from Griffith University.

"It makes you wonder if the Denisovans' genomes aren't simply Homo erectus [another earlier species of human, also known as Java man]," said Dr Westaway, who was not involved in the research.

"It will be good a day when we find the fossil skulls of these Denisovans to work out what hominin they are."

And further more another scientist questions whether this ancestor is merely a Homo Erectus, in other words the theory put forward is open to all interpretations yet let's ignore the entire article and print a headline.

Now, if you google Denisovan you will get pictures of apemen explaining when they lived, how they looked etc

So basically, from a 2.5cm shard supposedly from either an arm or leg bone, we have deduced it to be a 13 year old daughter and known as Denison11 and is one of our ancestors

hmmm...
Reasonably likely that genetic evidence and further fossils will find everything we previously thought about humanity was wrong. What we think of as 'races' may be the result of separate hybridisation events between different species of the Homo genus. Thegibbsgamble fringe theory that aboriginal people came here much earlier than first thought, as Homo Erectus, and evolved separately is entirely possible.
 

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Reasonably likely that genetic evidence and further fossils will find everything we previously thought about humanity was wrong. What we think of as 'races' may be the result of separate hybridisation events between different species of the Homo genus. Thegibbsgamble fringe theory that aboriginal people came here much earlier than first thought, as Homo Erectus, and evolved separately is entirely possible.
We know nothing at the moment

What we do know is modern humans developed out of Australia. But where they developed from is anyone's guess. A forum like this is full of closed minds not open ones open to be corrected to thier beliefs formed by politics



Not only through records like the mungo man but also reverse engineering astrology and religon the evidence points to here. But we don't know how many environmental disasters there has been and how much records destroyed.

Indigenous astronomy points to around a time there was no sun here. Jury out on how long that was. But we know language and. Culture never changed for over 180 thousand years here

The out of Africa theory has been recanted and the author's admit they are guessing where Eve came from.

I know croations whose dna has indigenous Australian in it. They are immigrants. Germans of the nazi era listed Australian indigenous as aryan

There is so much evidence but first one must recognise the bubble western science is in
 

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We know nothing at the moment

What we do know is modern humans developed out of Australia. But where they developed from is anyone's guess. A forum like this is full of closed.minds not open ones open to be corrected to thier beliefs formed by politics



Not only through records like the mungo man but also reverse engineering astrology and religon the evidence points to here. But we don't know how many environmental sisters there has been and how much records destroyed.

Indigenous astronomy points to around a time there was no sun here. Jury out on how long that was. But we know language and. Culture never changed for over 180 thousand years here

The out of Africa theory has been recanted and the author's admit they are guessing where Eve came from.

I know croations whose dna has indigenous Australian in it. They are immigrants. Germans listed Australian indigenous as aryan

There is so much evidence but first one must recognise the bubble western science is in
Yeah most of this is nonsense
 
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Yeah most of this is nonsense
Yep Darwin was a propergandist writing shit about blacks to cover up a slave trade and genocide. This is undeniable and yet western science still heralds him

Western science nothing more than an offshoot of Christian extremism. First one must recognize this if they want to explore just how old this earth and some cultures is.
 

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Indigenous astronomy points to around a time there was no sun here. Jury out on how long that was.
You mean no moon. I've seen those legends mentioned by native Americans (IIRC), can't recall which website though.

Yeah most of this is nonsense
Either way it's outside the scope of this board, but you guys can continue this chat on the CMP board if you like?
 

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Reasonably likely that genetic evidence and further fossils will find everything we previously thought about humanity was wrong. What we think of as 'races' may be the result of separate hybridisation events between different species of the Homo genus. Thegibbsgamble fringe theory that aboriginal people came here much earlier than first thought, as Homo Erectus, and evolved separately is entirely possible.
Exactly the opposite. The human genome sequence was cracked by 2003. Today it can be done for any individual in about 24 hours. There have how been thousands of samples done and compared in the 15 years since. Definitely only one migration out of Africa about 70-80,000 years ago. The only mystery interbreeding event happened within Africa with an unknown species.
 

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Exactly the opposite. The human genome sequence was cracked by 2003. Today it can be done for any individual in about 24 hours. There have how been thousands of samples done and compared in the 15 years since. Definitely only one migration out of Africa about 70-80,000 years ago. The only mystery interbreeding event happened within Africa with an unknown species.
Not at all true, the Denisovan interbreeding event wasn't even suspected until Denisovan fossils were found. The human genome being 'cracked' does not mean all possible inferences about it have been determined. There is still much to discover.
 

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Not at all true, the Denisovan interbreeding event wasn't even suspected until Denisovan fossils were found. The human genome being 'cracked' does not mean all possible inferences about it have been determined. There is still much to discover.
Neanderthal DNA was first sequenced in about 2009, they had to figure out the techniques for extracting it from such old bones. Denisovsan in about 2010. Since then things have changed rapidly in the last 8 years, it has been like a whole new branch of science opening up. You need to follow it closely to keep up. There is thought to be the genetic signature of one more interbreeding event with an as yet unknown species but happened in Africa because most Africans also carry the genetic signature. Australian aborigines are definitely fully a part of the modern human family tree and did not arise or evolve separately from the rest of us.
 

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Yep Darwin was a propergandist writing shit about blacks to cover up a slave trade and genocide. This is undeniable and yet western science still heralds him

Western science nothing more than an offshoot of Christian extremism. First one must recognize this if they want to explore just how old this earth and some cultures is.
I don't think you are in the right thread, there are a whole heap on conspiracy ones which may suit your 'material' better.

Neanderthal DNA was first sequenced in about 2009, they had to figure out the techniques for extracting it from such old bones. Denisovsan in about 2010. Since then things have changed rapidly in the last 8 years, it has been like a whole new branch of science opening up. You need to follow it closely to keep up. There is thought to be the genetic signature of one more interbreeding event with an as yet unknown species but happened in Africa because most Africans also carry the genetic signature. Australian aborigines are definitely fully a part of the modern human family tree and did not arise or evolve separately from the rest of us.
Well said, Admiral.
 

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This image shows movement of hominids into Eurasia over the last 2.5 MY. It was originally by Chris Stringer. It's been modified a few times since to incorporate new findings and I find it helps put things in place. See notes below for explanation, I've bolded mods to the original.
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Notes - Published in Stringer, C. (2012). "What makes a modern human". Nature 485 (7396): 33–35. doi:10.1038/485033a.
  • Homo floresiensis originated in an unknown location and reached remote parts of Indonesia, morphologically closer to habilus than erectus
  • Homo erectus spread from Africa to western Asia, then east Asia and Indonesia. Its presence in Europe is uncertain, but it gave rise to Homo antecessor, found in Spain.
  • Homo heidelbergensis originated from Homo erectus in an unknown location and dispersed across Africa, southern Asia and southern Europe.
  • Homo sapiens spread from Africa to western Asia and then to Europe and southern Asia, eventually reaching Australia and the Americas.
  • After early modern humans left Africa around 70,000 years ago (top right), they spread across the globe and interbred with other descendants of Homo heidelbergensis," namely Neanderthals, Denisovans, and unknown archaic African hominins.
  • Homo naledi has been added
  • A few close relatives have been added, Australopithecines (= Australopithecus and Paranthropus)I thought I saw a few of these at Victoria Park once.
 

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Lets stay on topic. The appalling behaviour of Red Army troops in 1945 isn't the subject of this thread. Try the history board?
Why did you go off topic then?

Poster posts about invading army and what must it of been like and I provided a modern example of what its actually like
 

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Finally something new. Been waiting years for this.

Interesting the skull fragment doesn't fit into any of the subjects they used for comparison. Looking more and more likely Denisovans where a distinct species.
Yes it's been a while, though it's early days, and still not a lot of material.
Given how much rootin & tootin these hominids did amongst themselves, and their ability to produce viable offspring , in the wild, it fits the original definition of a species pretty well, so I can see a reasonable case to place them all, and us, as sub species of Homo sapien.
 

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Pretty brutal when you think about how this would have happened. Total genocide and mass rape.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/10/03/inenglish/1538568010_930565.html
More about how murderous these guys were

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...s-people-of-all-time-revealed-in-ancient-dna/

Crazy to think that the conquest was based on superior technology, coupled with disease. Given every European is descended from these people, this is a pattern that has repeated throughout European history.
 

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3 distinct groups of Denisovans now according to a DNA study.

From what I understand the Papuan group is as distinct from the Altai group as they are with Neanderthals which might point to yet another distict Asian hominin.
 
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