The End of Holden

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Interesting to note that the Colorado comes 15th while the HiLux and Ranger rank 1st/2nd, and sales are less than half that of either
Not much mix for either outside the top-20

Top 100 new cars sold in Australia in 2019
Ranking	Model	Sales	Variance %
1	Toyota HiLux	47,759	-8.1
2	Ford Ranger	40,960	-2.8
3	Toyota Corolla	30,468	-13.7
4	Hyundai i30	28,378	0.7
5	Mitsubishi Triton	25,819	3.7
6	Mazda CX-5	25,539	-2.4
7	Mazda3	24,939	-19.7
8	Toyota RAV4	24,260	9.5
9	Kia Cerato	21,757	16.8
10	Mitsubishi ASX	20,806	9.3
11	Nissan X-Trail	19,726	-6.9
12	Toyota Prado	18,335	-1.2
13	Hyundai Tucson	18,251	-5.2
14	Mitsubishi Outlander	17,514	12.5
15	Holden Colorado	17,472	-4.5
16	Isuzu D-Max	16,892	-8.9
17	Toyota Camry	16,768	9.8
18	Subaru Forester	15,096	21.4
19	Mazda CX-3	14,813	-9.1
20	Volkswagen Golf	14,355	-24.7
21	Honda CR-V	13,810	-14.3
22	Toyota LandCruiser 200 Series	13,802	0.9
23	Kia Sportage	13,645	-2.8
24	Nissan Navara	13,412	-18.6
25	Hyundai Kona	13,342	8
26	Honda HR-V	11,731	-3.4
27	Nissan Qashqai	11,653	-16.5
28	Toyota Kluger	11,371	-22.9
29	Mazda BT-50	11,357	-13.7
30	Honda Civic	10,531	-21.8
31	Subaru XV	10,062	-22.2
32	Hyundai Accent	9963	-36.4
33	Toyota Yaris	9853	3.3
34	Toyota C-HR	9378	-3.5
35	Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series	9222	-8.1
36	Isuzu MU-X	8419	-7.4
37	Volkswagen Amarok	8371	-9.9
38	Mazda2	8198	-23.9
39	Volkswagen Tiguan	7747	-15.3
40	Subaru Outback	7210	-30.5
41	Mazda CX-9	7168	-11.4
42	Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross	6998	-7
43	Mercedes-Benz C-Class	6798	34.5
44	Suzuki Swift	6676	-14.2
45	Kia Carnival	6493	-1.8
46	Mitsubishi Pajero Sport	6477	-1.4
47	Kia Rio	6270	-4.9
48	Toyota HiAce Van	6127	-10.6
49	Holden Commodore	5915	-34.6
50	Hyundai Santa Fe	5857	-22.1
51	Mercedes-Benz GLC	5770	2.9
52	Volkswagen Polo	5723	5.3
53	Ford Everest	5333	-2.7
54	Honda Jazz	5263	-23.6
55	Suzuki Vitara	5253	4.6
56	Kia Picanto	5237	-2.9
57	Holden Trax	4808	-11.5
58	Mercedes-Benz A-Class	4689	12.3
59	Volkswagen Tiguan Allspace	4665	90.1
60	BMW X3	4583	-5.8
61	Holden Equinox	4562	-8.7
62	Subaru Impreza	4518	-51
63	Holden Astra	4188	-57.6
64	Audi Q5	4152	1.6
65	MG3	4017	612.2
66	Ford Mustang	3948	-38.4
67	Hyundai iLoad	3919	-10.2
68	Kia Sorento	3777	-13.9
69	MG ZS	3729	120.4
70	Ford Focus	3682	-5
71	LDV T60	3529	9.9
72	BMW X5	3498	29.6
73	Lexus NX	3471	-6.1
74	Volvo XC60	3406	20.5
75	Audi A3	3362	-21
76	Ford Escape	3326	-30.2
77	BMW 3 Series	3135	1.8
78	Holden Acadia	3125	414.4
79	Toyota Fortuner	3033	-15.6
80	Jeep Grand Cherokee	2986	-24.2
81	Volvo XC40	2858	80
82	BMW X1	2847	-8
83	Mitsubishi Pajero	2847	-13.2
84	Holden Trailblazer	2813	7.9
85	Nissan Pathfinder	2712	-29.1
86	Hyundai Elantra	2644	-31.2
87	Mazda6	2612	-21.5
88	Ram 1500	2609	531.4
89	Toyota HiAce Bus	2577	-2.4
90	Mercedes-Benz GLA	2562	-34.4
91	Mazda CX-8	2551	64.6
92	Renault Koleos	2533	-15.3
93	Mercedes-Benz C-Class Coupe/Cabriolet	2496	64.2
94	Suzuki Baleno	2277	9.9
95	BMW 1 Series	2269	-10.4
96	Range Rover Sport	2202	-2.5
97	Mitsubishi Lancer	2197	-68.8
98	Land Rover Discovery Sport	2185	-24.4
99	Skoda Kodiaq	2163	60.7
100	Audi Q2	2155	15.5

HiLux dominate mine sites so that's probably the majority of their sales.

In know that BMA (BHP / Mitsubishi) in QLD swapped from HiLux to Ranger when BHP introduced their mandatory 5 Star ANCAP rating policy a few years back and the 3.0 Hilux was only rated at 4 Star rating. They didn't use the Rangers for long, they thought they were pieces of s**t so they switched over to Isuzu M-UXs.

Rangers would be selling to the tradies I'd reckon due to a slick advertising campaign just like Jeep have. The Ranger is a decidedly ordinary vehicle and Jeep just have that reputation that you're a better chance of getting a lemon than with other vehicles and their after market service is particularly woeful.

 

[trawlerman]

With a bit of inventiveness I think Holden (and Ford Australia) would've been fine, because our classic cars actually fit the American market well, and they should've been creating other models more suited to the Australian market. But post-GFC GM and Ford both became more territorial and less interested in what their Australian outposts had to offer - especially in the case of GM - and that was that.

Perhaps Holden should have pulled the plug on the people running the show.
It was like watching a slow death - that took 20 years.
A bit of Japanese imagination, some European styling and money from getting into bed with Ford and the death could have been strung out for another 20 years.
The Australian govt should be looking at why Holden went down the gurgler and why some Qantas planes are serviced somewhere else, RM Williams made o/s, vegemite went o/s for a while and France has something to do with making our new submarines.
A bit of incentive for icons would be handy instead of worrying about how to rip out all the coal, gas and iron ore in such a hurry.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I don't think the appetite for touring car racing minus Holden and Ford is particularly high.

I used to love it before the SuperCars came about. Holden v Ford v Camaro, Capris, Minis, Morris. I used to love watching it with all of the different classes running different races and the likes of Ingall whinging about them all the time on the track.

 

[trawlerman]

Manufacturing has been dead here for 20+ years, just propped up by Government Funded Life Support in the name of ego

We've been hearing for nearly half a century ego is not a dirty word.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Ford used to design cars in Geelong, I used to have mates that worked in the clay modelling area, I had other mates, mechanical engineers that worked on the design, building. The Ford and Holden proving grounds at Anglesea, Lara and Lang Lang. I'm pretty sure they built tanks at Ford in Geelong during WWII.

 

[The Speaker]

Ford used to design cars in Geelong, I used to have mates that worked in the clay modelling area, I had other mates, mechanical engineers that worked on the design, building. The Ford and Holden proving grounds at Anglesea, Lara and Lang Lang. I'm pretty sure they built tanks at Ford in Geelong during WWII.

Defence is one of the big reasons countries are happy to invest in the car industry.

 

[Procrastinator35]

 

[Procrastinator35]

Ford used to design cars in Geelong, I used to have mates that worked in the clay modelling area, I had other mates, mechanical engineers that worked on the design, building. The Ford and Holden proving grounds at Anglesea, Lara and Lang Lang. I'm pretty sure they built tanks at Ford in Geelong during WWII.

Funny you should say that…..Henry Ford provided all the engines for the German tanks & Trucks in WW2.....Try going down that rabbit-hole.

 

[Kram]

Put all their eggs in the Commodore basket, Crew Cab Utes, SUV's and cheap Asian Imports rule Australian roads now

SUV drivers are the scum of the earth.

 

[Scotland]

I used to love it before the SuperCars came about. Holden v Ford v Camaro, Capris, Minis, Morris. I used to love watching it with all of the different classes running different races and the likes of Ingall whinging about them all the time on the track.

The technology in the Skylines and Ford Sierras and M3s was streets ahead of the local equivalents. Turbochargers, all wheel drive... it was the 2010s when V8 Supercars moved away from live axles and Holden/Ford still use pushrod V8 engines.

Peter Brock, Allan Moffat etc. used to drive around in modified road cars. If that continued Holden and Ford would've struggled to compete.

 

[Procrastinator35]

SUV drivers are the scum of the earth.

 

[Hamingja]

Post Commodore and Barina I honestly couldn't even name any of their models let alone want to buy one. Once they scrapped those they were done.

 

[Hawk Dork]

FJ FB EH HR were the highlights
It was all downhill after that

 

[Procrastinator35]

1969 HT.....The car my old man drove about in during the 70's.....I guess you could call it the family car.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Biggest problem with Holden was Detroit. Decisions at Holden were always made with the best interests of the GM empire in mind and not the best interests of Holden. The writing was on the wall when the XC Barina was swapped out for the TK.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Saddest thing about this latest development is that we probably won't get the new Corvette now either. Would have been a crazy good deal for $150k.

 

[kickazz]

That's the norm for car industries in every country. Nations recognise that there is real value in having a car industry - apart from us.

True. Australia competes with countries that invest in the industry.

Nothing wrong with the government giving subsidies, the problem was that the local arms of these companies had too little clout on the global scale. No control over export opportunities, and why would Ford / GM continue to co invest when China, Thailand etc put in so much more.

 

[Syd]

Opportunism at it's finest

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Opportunism at it's finest
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Offers over $25k *in lol

 

[FRUMPY]

FMD every radio station talking about the demise of holden - who really cares, been on the cards for years. Bet you none of the radio hosts drive a holden

 

[Hawk Dork]

Saddest thing about this latest development is that we probably won't get the new Corvette now either. Would have been a crazy good deal for $150k.

You can get a nice car for 150 g rather than a hotted up commodore with a different badge

 

[Gough]

It's hard to get too sentimental about a trans national company.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

You can get a nice car for 150 g rather than a hotted up commodore with a different badge

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same car

 

[Hawk Dork]

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same car

oops true
I was thinking Comaro

Still would rather something German or English if you spent that kind of money

 

[Sainteric]

Funny you should say that…..Henry Ford provided all the engines for the German tanks & Trucks in WW2.....Try going down that rabbit-hole.

Yeah and Rothschild funded it. This is just more anti Jewish rubbish.

German heavy tanks were generally powered mostly by a V12 23 litre Maybach, Maybach powered most German 1/2 tracks and tanks. Trucks were Damiler Benz or the smaller workhorse was an Opel blitz which some (it came in different sizes/engines) had a ford engine till 1937, after that they were engines similar (rip off) to a GM engine.