WikiLeaks The enemy within

[OldBlueFan]

The rules of justice in America (just don't mention the Rule of Law):

(1) If you are a high-ranking government official who commits war crimes, you will receive full-scale immunity, both civil and criminal, and will have the American President demand that all citizens Look Forward, Not Backward.

(2) If you are a low-ranking member of the military, you will receive relatively trivial punishments in order to protect higher-ranking officials and cast the appearance of accountability.

(3) If you are a victim of American war crimes, you are a non-person with no legal rights or even any entitlement to see the inside of a courtroom.

(4) If you talk publicly about any of these war crimes, you have committed the Gravest Crime — you are guilty of espionage – and will have the full weight of the American criminal justice system come crashing down upon you.

Rules of American justice: a tale of three cases

If Assange ever gets sent to the US, he'll never see the light of day again, that is of course if he is not simply summarily executed.

 

[Old Skool]

The rules of justice in America (just don't mention the Rule of Law):

Rules of American justice: a tale of three cases

If Assange ever gets sent to the US, he'll never see the light of day again, that is of course if he is not simply summarily executed.

If any person values Australian Citizenship, regardless of how they view Assange, then they must contact their local members of parliament and agitate for Assanges return to this country.

If you don't act on this then you may as well denounce your citizenship.

 

[rayven]

http://notesonwikileaks.tumblr.com/post/15251907983/assange-extradition-fact-sheet

1) Julian Assange is not charged with anything in Sweden or any other country.

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2) Julian Assange did not flee Sweden to avoid questioning. He was given permission to leave the country on the 15th September 2010, after remaining 5 weeks in Sweden for the purpose of answering the allegations made against him.


3) The case against Julian Assange was initially dropped, and deemed so weak it could not warrant investigation. After the intervention of a Swedish politician close to American diplomats, it was revived by a different prosecutor.

4) In all instances, the 2 plaintiffs consented to sexual intercourse, which they did not take the initiative to stop: they never expressed non-consent and afterwards declared to not have felt threatened by Julian Assange.


5) A condom submitted as evidence by complainant AA, who claimed it had been deliberately torn by Julian Assange during sexual intercourse, contains no chromosomal DNA from either the complainant or Julian.


6) Text messages exchanged between complainants and their friends contradict the factual allegations in the European Arrest Warrant (EAW) issued for Julian Assange and cast doubt on the allegations.


7) After the date of the alleged sexual misconduct: a) Complainant AA created then deleted evidence (tweets) indicating she was enjoying Julian Assange’s company; b) AA went as far as suggesting one of her friends (Witness C) should be intimate with Julian as well.



8) The law firm hired in the Assange investigation is ran by Claes Borgström (politician and legal representative for both plaintiffs) and by former minister Thomas Bodström. Both are members of the Social Democrat Party in Sweden. Bodström is a friend of police interrogator Irmeli Krans, who interrogated complainant SW. [



9) Police interrogator Irmeli Krans is, in turn, friends with the other plaintiff, complainant AA, with whom she has political ties (Social Democrat Party). Krans also breached protocol by commenting negatively about Julian Assange on social media.


10) Swedish prosecutor, Marianne Ny, refused to provide Julian Assange or his lawyers with information on the allegations against him in writing. This violates the Swedish Code of Procedure (RB 23:18) and the European Convention of Human Rights (article 5), and the EU Fundamental Charter on Human Rights.

Prosecution also refused all voluntary offers for cooperation that fit under Mutual Legal Assistance protocol, such as making use of alternative methods to interview Julian Assange.



11) Both the EAW and the Interpol red notice were issued for Julian by Sweden just before WikiLeaks began to publish Cablegate. [



12) The allegations against Julian Assange do not constitute an offense in Australia or in the UK.


13) If extradited to Sweden: still without charge, Julian Assange would be held incommunicado and placed under solitary confinement. Pre-trial detention would last for an indefinite period. Trial in Sweden would be held in secret.


14) The Swedish legal system features lay judges who are appointed because of their political affiliations. They have no formal legal training.


15) Sweden has the highest per capita rate of cases brought to the European Court of Human Rights relating to article 6.1 (right to a fair trial). [

Julia spoke about how great a country we are on Thursday and about our freedoms, LOL.

She also spoke about how violence in protests never gets you anywhere but failed to remember Australain police officers actions doing occupy protests

 

[The_Reaper]

If any person values Australian Citizenship, regardless of how they view Assange, then they must contact their local members of parliament and agitate for Assanges return to this country.

If you don't act on this then you may as well denounce your citizenship.

He get his new buddy Vlad to help him out.

The Kremlin is a well known champion of free press.

 

[Admiral Byng]

If any person values Australian Citizenship, regardless of how they view Assange, then they must contact their local members of parliament and agitate for Assanges return to this country.

If you don't act on this then you may as well denounce your citizenship.

Being an Australian citizen is not an automatic defence for committing crimes in another country.

 

[Old Skool]

Being an Australian citizen is not an automatic defence for committing crimes in another country.

Australian citizenship ceases to exist at this point?

 

[Admiral Byng]

Australian citizenship ceases to exist at this point?

Irrelevant.

Commit a crime overseas you have to face their court system. You don't get let off and flown home back to Australia. Didn't happen for that Corby girl, didn't happen for that kid in Bali, didn't happen for that guy in jail in Romania. Why should Assange be any different? He needs to go to Sweden and face their court.

 

[Old Skool]

Irrelevant.

Commit a crime overseas you have to face their court system. You don't get let off and flown home back to Australia. Didn't happen for that Corby girl, didn't happen for that kid in Bali, didn't happen for that guy in jail in Romania. Why should Assange be any different? He needs to go to Sweden and face their court.

What crime has Assange committed in Britain?

 

[Admiral Byng]

What crime has Assange committed in Britain?

None that I know of. But that's not relevant.

 

[Old Skool]

None that I know of. But that's not relevant.

It's entirely relevant to my original post in this thread.

 

[rayven]

Commit a crime overseas you have to face their court system. You don't get let off and flown home back to Australia. Didn't happen for that Corby girl, didn't happen for that kid in Bali,

They were caught with Narcotics red handed, they got consular assistance and saturation media coverage.

Relate that again to Assange?

 

[Admiral Byng]

It's entirely relevant to my original post in this thread.

The point about American justice?

Not relevant at all. We are talking about Sweden wanting the guy to face their legal systems for crimes committed in Sweden. Crimes which are concerning him personally and have nothing at all to do with the work of Wikileaks.

Just because he is an Aussie, or a fighter against the USA for democracy and fine words, it doesn't excuse him from facing the Swedish legal system.

 

[Admiral Byng]

They were caught with Narcotics red handed, they got consular assistance and saturation media coverage.

Relate that again to Assange?

Different type of crime, you can't exactly be caught doing it red-handed by airport Customs. Saturation media coverage - check. Consular assistance - check.

 

[rayven]

Different type of crime, you can't exactly be caught doing it red-handed by airport Customs. Saturation media coverage - check. Consular assistance - check.

what crime did Assange committ and why is it a different type of crime?

Why no consular assistance?

 

[Admiral Byng]

what crime did Assange committ and why is it a different type of crime?

Do I really need to spell it out for you?

 

[Old Skool]

The point about American justice?

Not relevant at all. We are talking about Sweden wanting the guy to face their legal systems for crimes committed in Sweden. Crimes which are concerning him personally and have nothing at all to do with the work of Wikileaks.

Just because he is an Aussie, or a fighter against the USA for democracy and fine words, it doesn't excuse him from facing the Swedish legal system.

WTF has this got to do with BRITAIN and Australia demanding the return of one of it's citizens!!!

FFS, if you're going to reply to peoples posts, keep your replies RELEVANT!

My reply was in context to a link I provided, did you even watch my link?

Be warned, you're one more stupid reply away from the ignore function.

 

[rayven]

Do I really need to spell it out for you?

so with the absence of a crime you have no argument but an idealogical one that opposses democracy, freedom of the press and justice?

 

[Admiral Byng]

so with the absence of a crime you have no argument but an idealogical one that opposses democracy, freedom of the press and justice?

and you've already found him not guilty and called the two women liars, based on your ideology?

 

[Admiral Byng]

WTF has this got to do with BRITAIN and Australia demanding the return of one of it's citizens!!!

FFS, if you're going to reply to peoples posts, keep your replies RELEVANT!

My reply was in context to a link I provided, did you even watch my link?

Be warned, you're one more stupid reply away from the ignore function.

Go the ignore button now.

 

[OldBlueFan]

and you've already found him not guilty and called the two women liars, based on your ideology?

Actually a prosecutor in the country you claim that Assange needs to be returned to investigated the "crime", decided that there was no case to answer and released Assange to travel to Britain. On that basis, he's already been found not guilty - in fact, less than not guilty because that would require a charge to have been laid - on nothing other than procedural law.

I love the way people won't insist on investigations into and prosecutions for aggressive wars that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, but they'll happily demand that a single individual, responsible for no deaths, already cleared once of any wrongdoing, should be forced to face his accusers.

Can anyone say "two-tier justice"?

 

[Old Skool]

Actually a prosecutor in the country you claim that Assange needs to be returned to investigated the "crime", decided that there was no case to answer and released Assange to travel to Britain. On that basis, he's already been found not guilty - in fact, less than not guilty because that would require a charge to have been laid - on nothing other than procedural law.

I love the way people won't insist on investigations into and prosecutions for aggressive wars that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, but they'll happily demand that a single individual, responsible for no deaths, already cleared once of any wrongdoing, should be forced to face his accusers.

Can anyone say "two-tier justice"?

Let's cut to the chase, we know what we are dealing with here. Someone who equates themselves with "the right" for whatever reason, that feels compelled to challenge whatever is packaged up and sold to them as "the left"

Independent thought and research are not required.

Basically, we're talking about an idiot.

 

[The_Reaper]

Let's cut to the chase, we know what we are dealing with here. Someone who equates themselves with "the right" for whatever reason, that feels compelled to challenge whatever is packaged up and sold to them as "the left"

Independent thought and research are not required.

Basically, we're talking about an idiot.

Just out of interest (and this in no way affects his right to a legitimate trial process), what are your opinions on Assange taking money from the Kremlin and how this will affect his ability to advocate for a greater democratic proccess and a free press?

 

[Admiral Byng]

Actually a prosecutor in the country you claim that Assange needs to be returned to investigated the "crime", decided that there was no case to answer and released Assange to travel to Britain. On that basis, he's already been found not guilty - in fact, less than not guilty because that would require a charge to have been laid - on nothing other than procedural law.

I love the way people won't insist on investigations into and prosecutions for aggressive wars that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, but they'll happily demand that a single individual, responsible for no deaths, already cleared once of any wrongdoing, should be forced to face his accusers.

Can anyone say "two-tier justice"?

That's a bit far-fetched. It's not the job of the Swedish police and prosecutors office to investigate war crimes. It's not really an example of two-tier justice. That only works if you think the USA and Sweden are acting in collusion here and are out to get him for what he is doing with Wikileaks. I don't see that at all, I see Sweden acting independently.

 

[OldBlueFan]

That's a bit far-fetched. It's not the job of the Swedish police and prosecutors office to investigate war crimes. It's not really an example of two-tier justice. That only works if you think the USA and Sweden are acting in collusion here and are out to get him for what he is doing with Wikileaks. I don't see that at all, I see Sweden acting independently.

No, what I'm specifically referring to is your insistence on it. Why aren't we hearing you advocate for the leaders of this country who were explicitly involved in the illegal slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis being investigated for their crimes?

Further, it is actually international law that all governments who signed on to a particular UN treaty (I can't remember which one) have a responsibility to pursue and prosecute war criminals wherever they may be and wherever they may have committed their crimes.

Lastly ... the bolded bit is a joke right? You've got an individual who is the scourge of governments everywhere, who's been accused by the leader of his own country as having acted illegally - when he's done nothing of the sort - who was briefly under investigation while in Sweden, but cleared of any wrongdoing. Then, on the eve of his organisation's biggest release of secret government malfeasance yet, he suddenly becomes the target of a re-investigation of the alleged incident in Sweden ... oh yes, the Swede are acting completely independently.

 

[Monniehawk]

Irrelevant.
Commit a crime overseas you have to face their court system. You don't get let off and flown home back to Australia. Didn't happen for that Corby girl, didn't happen for that kid in Bali, didn't happen for that guy in jail in Romania. Why should Assange be any different? He needs to go to Sweden and face their court.

Thereby stands a definition of 'crime'.
Corby's crime was also a crime in Australia. No argument.
Forwarding information submitted from another source is a crime? Should the newspapers who published the info be liable, because Wikileaks received it from a third party, sent it on to them and they published it?
Why hasn't Australia issued warrants?
Gingrich has labelled Assange's collation of information as a crime. It is not necessarily classed as a crime to collate the info, surely. Gingrich and the USA has been embarrassed by the information because they got caught out, not because it was unlawful. They now seek to demonise Assange. Why not the media? Why not the many criminal acts which Wikileaks exposed?
Assange is entitled to privileges of Australian citizenship and Gingrich needs to be condemned for manufacturing a hate campaign against an Australian for purely political reasons.